[lrbailey]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Sister Mary Maria: It wasn't American the KJV bible was written, it was what we would call today, Early Modern English. Similar but not exactly the same.

"This is the way evolution is thought to work: a mutation occurs in one generation of a species. If the mutation proves beneficial to the organism then it is carried over into the next generation. If not then it tends to disappear. Clearly there has never been a point in our evolutionary history where not having 10 fingers and toes provided enough of a benefit to carry on into the next generation.

Some individuals are born with extra digits, though, both on their hands and feet. These tend to not be fully formed and functional.

For proper balance it's important that we have an equal number of toes on each foot and if we did not have an equal number of fingers it would reduce functionality in one hand over the other.

Also nature loves symmetry. All creatures with limbs and digits have an equal number of each. Insects always have 6 legs and spiders always have 8 - all even numbers."~~Taken from post on this topic in another forum

In nutshell thats why we have ten fingers. I honestly don't understand the purpose of threads like these. It just promotes debate which is strictly against the forums rules. I mean with a title like that of course it will start debate, almost like a trap

[eliot mayfield]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Sister Mary Maria: It wasn't American the KJV bible was written, it was what we would call today, Early Modern English. Similar but not exactly the same.

"This is the way evolution is thought to work: a mutation occurs in one generation of a species. If the mutation proves beneficial to the organism then it is carried over into the next generation. If not then it tends to disappear. Clearly there has never been a point in our evolutionary history where not having 10 fingers and toes provided enough of a benefit to carry on into the next generation.

Some individuals are born with extra digits, though, both on their hands and feet. These tend to not be fully formed and functional.

For proper balance it's important that we have an equal number of toes on each foot and if we did not have an equal number of fingers it would reduce functionality in one hand over the other.

Also nature loves symmetry. All creatures with limbs and digits have an equal number of each. Insects always have 6 legs and spiders always have 8 - all even numbers."~~Taken from post on this topic in another forum

In nutshell thats why we have ten fingers. I honestly don't understand the purpose of threads like these. It just promotes debate which is strictly against the forums rules. I mean with a title like that of course it will start debate, almost like a trap

There you go, God hates homerism and Darwin proves it it can't be "genetic"!

[FortyTwo]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Our numerical system is base ten.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
We have the perfect number of fingers and toes to match that system! Ten fingers and ten toes! Yet Darwinists want us to believe we evolved ten fingers and ten toes by accident? Nothing explains why we have exactly the right number of fingers and toes to fit our numerical system than an Intelligent Designer designing us with the perfect number of digits on our hands and feet to match those digits in our numerical system!
So the question is this, evilutionists - How do you explain that we have exactly the right amount of fingers and toes to match our numerical system without God there to design it that way?
Case closed!

Wow,
That's a very well assessed deep answer. Don't know the answer, it must be God. Consider this Case Study

Case Study: Boeing 747
Explain how this aircraft was designed and eventually built to undertake mass passenger international travel?

Was it created instantly because it was needed?
or,
Was it an evolutionary process involving constant research and development of aircraft over a long period of time starting with the first aircraft the "De Havilland Biplane No. 1".

Understanding different component efficiencies, improving on these from aircraft to aircraft, utilising new research, resulting in the development of the Beoing 747.

Now.

Apply these same principles to nature.
Temporarily ignore your "7,000 year rule" and apply these same concepts to nature.

Consider these same change over billions of years toward nature. This is an initial understanding of evolution.

or,

You can believe that the Boeing 747 was magically created because the Bible says so.

[John Scopes]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Wow,
That's a very well assessed deep answer. Don't know the answer, it must be God. Consider this Case Study

Case Study: Boeing 747
Explain how this aircraft was designed and eventually built to undertake mass passenger international travel?

Was it created instantly because it was needed?
or,
Was it an evolutionary process involving constant research and development of aircraft over a long period of time starting with the first aircraft the "De Havilland Biplane No. 1".

Understanding different component efficiencies, improving on these from aircraft to aircraft, utilising new research, resulting in the development of the Beoing 747.

Now.

Apply these same principles to nature.
Temporarily ignore your "7,000 year rule" and apply these same concepts to nature.

Consider these same change over billions of years toward nature. This is an initial understanding of evolution.

or,

You can believe that the Boeing 747 was magically created because the Bible says so.

Friend in Science,

I apologize for my absence in this place, there is no internet access on the Galapagos.

Let us stick with evolution and not the technological results of that. It is petty, and unfair on a cosmic timescale.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

I make no apology for posting the words of Bobby-Joe in what is possibly the least known of God's wonders when any atheist talks of "Evilution":

Punctuated Smiting

Science has long noted sudden change in species and been puzzled by it. From time to time animals will suddenly, as if over night, show abrupt changes in appearance or behavior. The most famous example is the English moths that changed from white to dark.

Puzzled by these rapid changes in otherwise static world science has puzzled long and hard over it and offered many theories on the matter. Darwinists have cynically used this of proof that magical animals that give birth to children that bear no resemblance to their parents. Obviously magic is not something rational good and true Christians can accept.

Well finally Christian science has an explanation; Punctuated Smiting. In essence this exciting new theory offers a comprehensive explanation without resorting to naturalism or other pagan superstitions. It takes biology out of the dank dungeon of secularism and into the light of God’s sweet reason.

It goes like this;
God creates a species for His ineffable purpose.
The Species angers God for some sin it commits.
God is wrathful and destroys the species.
God repents of His wrath, creates another species that is slightly different.
God replaces the smitten species with it.

This why their species change appear to happen so fast! In the blink of an eye God sends His angels to annihilate every member of species without mercy and then in the next blink replace it with a similar one. With His perfect, unending love for His creation God removes what it bad and replaces it with the good, until He decided that good has sinned and must be liquidated.

Punctuated Smiting is just simple good Christian science and that is why we Christians accept it.

Could there ever be a better explanation? No.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Wow,
That's a very well assessed deep answer. Don't know the answer, it must be God. Consider this Case Study

Case Study: Boeing 747
Explain how this aircraft was designed and eventually built to undertake mass passenger international travel?

Was it created instantly because it was needed?
or,
Was it an evolutionary process involving constant research and development of aircraft over a long period of time starting with the first aircraft the "De Havilland Biplane No. 1".

Understanding different component efficiencies, improving on these from aircraft to aircraft, utilising new research, resulting in the development of the Beoing 747.

Now.

Apply these same principles to nature.
Temporarily ignore your "7,000 year rule" and apply these same concepts to nature.

Consider these same change over billions of years toward nature. This is an initial understanding of evolution.

or,

You can believe that the Boeing 747 was magically created because the Bible says so.

So let me see if I've got this right... You're using the example of airplanes with proven, knowable designers as evidence of the purely random chance of evilution?!?
At least you're on the path to Jesus by acknowledging Intelligent Design. Now you just have to accept that the Lord made everything in six days.

[FortyTwo]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

I'm using a middle ground of man-made technology (instead of life, existance); to explain the concept of evolution in a simple meaningful way.

It explains lineage (passing of traits), rejection of unworkable traits (natural selection); and progression (advancement to the Boeing 747).

It rejects the idea the Boeing 747 was just made ala Intelligent Design. I'm surprised to read you suggest a human intelligent designer because that'd be rather blasphemous?

Evolution maintains a position of a theory. It relies on evidence to build and support human understanding of the origins of our shared world. Contrary evidence creates new thinking; changing theories that are proven incorrect.

Whereas Christianity is fixed to an ancient book; where any contrary evidence must be hidden or beaten into submission to avoid changing anything inside it.


I think I can best summarise this with this quote

"It goes like this;
God creates a species for His ineffable purpose.
The Species angers God for some sin it commits.
God is wrathful and destroys the species.
God repents of His wrath, creates another species that is slightly different.
God replaces the smitten species with it."


Answer is God, God, God, God, God, God, God.
What was his purpose
what sins were commited
Why did the sins upset God enough to destroy this species
Does God suffer rage issues - destroying and creating new species?

Doesn't this kind of seem a bit infantile?

Re-think your superstitions.

[WWJDnow]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Clearly there has never been a point in our evolutionary history where not having 10 fingers and toes provided enough of a benefit to carry on into the next generation.

Well, at least you admit we didn't have fish as ancestors. That's a start

Also nature loves symmetry. All creatures with limbs and digits have an equal number of each. Insects always have 6 legs and spiders always have 8 - all even numbers."

All creatures with limbs have an equal number of each. Really?

Now you see why we don't believe a word you evolutionists say. You're all a bunch of lying liars.

Now, on the subject of insects, the Bible clearly states that there are insects with only four legs:

All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four.... Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:20-23

It's really easy to look these things up. All you need is a good Bible concordance, or even the Biblegateway search engine. So next time, before you speak, do a little research first, please.

42, Consider this Case Study

Case Study: The Solar System

Explain how the Solar System was designed and evntually built to support life on planet Earth, with all of the planets moving in stable orbits.

Was it created instantly because it was needed?
or,Was it an evolutionary process involving constant research and development of solar systems over a long period of time starting with the first solar system?

Or, you can believe that the solar system evolved slowly from other solar systems because The Origin of Species says so.

I apologize for my absence in this place, there is no internet access on the Galapagos.

There IS Internet access in the Galapagos. Another evolutionist lie. What a shock.

I think I can best summarise this with this quote

"It goes like this;
God creates a species for His ineffable purpose.
The Species angers God for some sin it commits.
God is wrathful and destroys the species.
God repents of His wrath, creates another species that is slightly different.
God replaces the smitten species with it."

God doesn't create new species, but he does kill off old ones.

Answer is God, God, God, God, God, God, God.

Hallelujah, you have finally seen the light!

What was his purpose

Why don't you ask Him?

what sins were commited

If God wanted us to know, He would have put it in the Bible. So why bother asking?

Why did the sins upset God enough to destroy this species

God is easily angered. Haven't you read the Bible?

Does God suffer rage issues - destroying and creating new species?

God has serious anger management issues. That's one reason you should not piss Him off. For example, Jesus rendered barren a fig tree just because it wouldn't yield figs for Him out of season:

Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! Matthew 21:20

Still, God doesn't create new species, he just kills off the old ones.

Doesn't this kind of seem a bit infantile?

Cut God some slack on this one. He didn't have parents to raise Him (well, Jesus had a Father, but the Father and the Holy Ghost didn't have any guiding hand when They were young lads). They had to figure it all out for Themselves.

Re-think your superstitions.

Rethink your smug denials.

[Bill Proper]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

You know mathematics is the universal language and this 10 base number system is spot on, and therefore if anyone wants to argue they will still lose because God created the universe and all of us
Now if I can just learn my math I will be alright

[FortyTwo]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Btw I just got the joke. Hilarious! *wink wink*

[Wide-Open]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Typical atheists! You lose the argument and then call us a "joke".

[lrbailey]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Well, at least you admit we didn't have fish as ancestors. That's a start

All creatures with limbs have an equal number of each. Really?

"Starfish – or sea stars, to underline the fact that they are not related to fishes – belong to the family Asteroidea (from aster, Greek for star) and with other species like the sea urchins, they form a group called the echinoderms, the “spiky skinned”. Most of these animals show a radial symmetry of their adult body shape while other species, like humans or insects, exhibit a bilateral body symmetry (we have “left” and “right”, “back” and “front”, words that would have no meaning for a starfish).
But when you look at the larvae of echinoderms you realize that these are organized bilaterally as well, so the radial form is a secondary development that only happens in some echinoderms when they become adults (see e.g. http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/...0/echino4.html and http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/art98/janstar.html).
So, most of the starfish develop from their larval stages to adults with five “arms” but there are also species with more or less than five arms and the reason why some have five and others seven or nine is not known but might depend on different environments or feeding/locomotion strategies.
On the other side, the reason that the starfish are radically shaped might come from the fact that they don’t move fast, don’t hunt and don’t have to (or can not) run away from predators, so they simply do not need to have a front or back, a left and right, something that gives them a sense of direction."~~taken from here

As you can read starfishes have no need of symmetry.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Typical atheists! You lose the argument and then call us a "joke".

It's Tabor's Law at work, Brother.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Not that it's relevant to faith but starfish do hunt. Just very slowly.

[lrbailey]

Re: A question to stump biologists and ScIeNtists!

Not that it's relevant to faith but starfish do hunt. Just very slowly.

I honestly don't know much about starfishes, and I guess the person that wrote that didn't either. So the above can be discredited, since it was wrong about that.