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  • #1

    Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent design?

    I was doing some thinking and I have a question for you bible thumpers, similar to my thread on how testicles contradict the idea of intelligent design.

    In the bible, the view on circumcision is made perfectly clear:

    Genesis 17:10
    This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

    Genesis 17:11
    And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

    Genesis 17:12
    And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

    Genesis 17:13
    He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

    Genesis 17:14
    And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

    So as we can see here the biblical god clearly likes the tallywhacker to receive 'ye olde snip'.

    Now, if this same biblical deity was indeed an intelligent designer, who not simply design the tallywhacker without the foreskin? Why leave it on there and then add all those extra rules about being circ'ed?
    Well?
    That hardly seems like intelligent design to me!
    What do you bible thumpers have to say to this?

    Honestly, the only thing you probably can say is that you think it went along the lines of this:
    'And as the lord hath finished creating the tallywhacker and placed man in the garden, looking closely at this his creation, he noticed what was an unslightly thing in his eyes on the end of the newly created male rod. Thus looking, did he scratch his head, and sayeth: 'oops!' '


    Intelligent deisgn and biblical creationism indeed. Bwahahahaha!!!!!
    Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 05-07-2007, 04:47 AM.
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  • #2
    Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

    No wonder you can't find Jesus, when you can't even see the answer to your question in your quotes!!

    The foreskin is there so there is something to circumcise, making a mark in the very most important part of a man to show that he trusts in God.

    Are all Wickers as silly as you?

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    • #3
      Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

      Don't be silly.
      Clearly the biblical deity thinks that a perfect tallywhacker is one with no foreskin.
      Therefore, why not simply create the 'perfect tallywhacker' with no foreskin?
      It would be just as easy to make something else a 'sign of the covenant betwixt', I mean if this were indeed an all-powerful deity, he could make anything he wanted a 'sign of the covenant'.

      But since uncirc'ed tallywhackers are so repulsive in the eyes of the biblical god, it would have been so much simpler, surely, not to add them?

      Come on, you're really reaching here!
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      • #4
        Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

        Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
        Don't be silly.
        Clearly the biblical deity thinks that a perfect tallywhacker is one with no foreskin.
        Therefore, why not simply create the 'perfect tallywhacker' with no foreskin?
        It would be just as easy to make something else a 'sign of the covenant betwixt', I mean if this were indeed an all-powerful deity, he could make anything he wanted a 'sign of the covenant'.

        But since uncirc'ed tallywhackers are so repulsive in the eyes of the biblical god, it would have been so much simpler, surely, not to add them?

        Come on, you're really reaching here!
        It is to separate the sheep from the goats Rachael; to show you love God you must do something. That's why God put something there that disgusts Him. Your problem is you assume an intelligent designer is going to chose the most optimal design.

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        • #5
          Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

          What a ridiculous argument. God made us with hair that needs to be cut, and fingernails that need to be trimmed (at least decent True Christians™ do). Do you really think you know more than God, that you can criticize His divine design?

          This is just more tallywhacker envy. All feminazis do it.
          Who Will Jesus Damn?

          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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          • #6
            Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

            Sex is much better for those no circumcised!
            Did he not ask us to go forth and multiply?
            Certainly gave men an incentive didnt he?
            Slippn and a Sliddin in our own skin Yee haa!

            Brother James

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            • #7
              Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

              Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
              It is to separate the sheep from the goats Rachael; to show you love God you must do something. That's why God put something there that disgusts Him. Your problem is you assume an intelligent designer is going to chose the most optimal design.
              And what is wrong with that?
              Logically, one would assume that an intelligent designer would choose the most intelligent design, rather than a second-rate one.

              And if your god were really real and the creator, he could as easily choose something else.

              What a ridiculous argument. God made us with hair that needs to be cut, and fingernails that need to be trimmed (at least decent True Christians™ do). Do you really think you know more than God, that you can criticize His divine design?
              Nails need to be trimmed simply because nails are actually a type of excrement. As our bodies get rid of some unneeded things, they actually go into the fingernails.
              Gross but true. Same as hair. Only the root of the hair is alive. The rest of the hair is dead.
              Oddly enough, both hair and fingernails continue to grow after death. Gross, huh?

              This is just more tallywhacker envy. All feminazis do it.
              Yeah, I really envy having a messy tube-like thing hanging between my legs, feeling awkward, or maybe having a pair of balls which, if kicked, can temporarily paralyze a man in pain?
              Oh, yeah, I'm sooooo envious.
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              • #8
                Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                What a ridiculous argument. God made us with hair that needs to be cut, and fingernails that need to be trimmed (at least decent True Christians™ do). Do you really think you know more than God, that you can criticize His divine design?

                This is just more tallywhacker envy. All feminazis do it.
                Hmmmm... your example actually gives credibility to evilution. Hair, nails, and foreskin from the apes which we evolved. Troubling, I must go pray for True Guidance.



                 Leviticus 26:27-29

                27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
                28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
                29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

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                • #9
                  Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                  Originally posted by SayvedByTheLord View Post
                  Hmmmm... your example actually gives credibility to evilution. Hair, nails, and foreskin from the apes which we evolved. Troubling, I must go pray for True Guidance.

                  Buddy, you need Jesus to smack you upside your head and get a little sense in there. Nothing I said would support the worship of monkeys. My example only showed that God designed humans with other body parts that occasionally need to be snipped off, the better to glorify His name. Do monkeys get a manicure and pedicure every week from a 14 year old Indonesian servant girl? Just stop and think about it.

                  Fish have bones and so do we. Does that statement make you think you are a trout?
                  Who Will Jesus Damn?

                  Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                  Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                    The removal of the foreskin (ie circumcision) is an act that represents a fellowship with God:
                    But do ALL men have a fellowship with God? No!
                    Thus, men were not created without foreskin.

                    It's very simple. Only a dimwitted harlot wouldn't understand it.
                    Last edited by SalvationSeeker; 05-08-2007, 12:35 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                      Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                      I was doing some thinking and I have a question for you bible thumpers, similar to my thread on how testicles contradict the idea of intelligent design.

                      In the bible, the view on circumcision is made perfectly clear:

                      Genesis 17:10
                      This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

                      Genesis 17:11
                      And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

                      Genesis 17:12
                      And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

                      Genesis 17:13
                      He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

                      Genesis 17:14
                      And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

                      Now, if this same biblical deity was indeed an intelligent designer, who not simply design the tallywhacker without the foreskin? Why leave it on there and then add all those extra rules about being circ'ed?
                      Well?
                      That hardly seems like intelligent design to me!
                      What do you bible thumpers have to say to this?
                      It's perfectly clear and simple. It's there as a sign of the covenant, making it quicker and simpler to separate the Saved from the Unsaved. Come Judgment Day, the Lord will have an awful lot of Judging to be doing, and it's likely to take a while. So He created foreskins as a handy shortcut - He can simply take one glance at the tallywhacker of a soul, and if it's not circumcised, then He can easily toss them into Hell without giving it a second thought. Of course, after that He'll have to sort through all the circumcised souls, to make sure no Christ-Killing Hebrews make it into the Kingdom of Heaven, but it'll still be a lot simpler.
                      O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



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                      • #12
                        Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                        Thank you for your gentle guidance in this matter Pastor. I can only find the Truth through questions that will provide me with what I need to learn for Salvation.

                        Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                        Buddy, you need Jesus to smack you upside your head and get a little sense in there. Nothing I said would support the worship of monkeys. My example only showed that God designed humans with other body parts that occasionally need to be snipped off, the better to glorify His name. Do monkeys get a manicure and pedicure every week from a 14 year old Indonesian servant girl? Just stop and think about it.

                        Fish have bones and so do we. Does that statement make you think you are a trout?
                        Gentle Pastor of the Flock ? I am sure Ted Haggard made a similar claim. Do we have another unrevealed Truth here ?


                        Leviticus 26:27-29

                        27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
                        28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
                        29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                          Originally posted by SayvedByTheLord View Post
                          Gentle Pastor of the Flock ? I am sure Ted Haggard made a similar claim. Do we have another unrevealed Truth here ?
                          Friend, you're on thin ice. Only women and homers indulge in gossipy innuendo. What exactly are you trying to say?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                            The presence of a foreskin during s*x can increase the chance of HIV infection by as much as 800%, and is connected to many other sexually transmitted diseases and health problems. Now, can you tell me why on Earth such a thing could naturally evolve? Really, tell me.

                            If anything, God gave men foreskins as a little reminder that evolution is a lie.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

                              Nonsense!
                              A good hot bubble bath wil clean out the foreskin, but don't play with it too much.

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