[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Anyway, back on topic.
You'd assume that if a being were designing the universe and had potential to make perfect design, why not do so?

Let's pretend for a moment that I think the bible god is real (which I do not). It's as though he was like 'oops, forgot to fix that...hmmm....how can I fix that....OH!! I know!! Make it a sign of the covenant! That way I can use it AND they won't think to blame me for my oops!! BOOYAH!!! Go me!!'

You know, your obsession with male tallywackers is revolting, and your arguments are absurd, VanHellbound. How can you presume to know how God thinks? How huge your feminazi ego must be, to question God's tallywacker design!

Lets look at the banana. Its design is evidence that God is 100% real, as you have seen HERE. But it also may be helpful to use as an illustration to show you how idiotic your darwinista propaganda is.

A banana has a yellow peel, yes? Do we eat this peel? No, of course not. In order to get to the delicious fruit, the long firm succulent white tube deep into your mouth, you have to remove the peel, yes? Now, would you call that a mistake by God? I should hope not. Now all you have to do is close your eyes and apply the same imagery to a tallywacker....

Anyway.....God designs things for His own reasons. That includes tallywackers and bananas and everything else. You should be on your knees thanking Him for such perfection!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

You know, your obsession with male tallywackers is revolting, and your arguments are absurd, VanHellbound. How can you presume to know how God thinks? How huge your feminazi ego must be, to question God's tallywacker design!

Well, considering that you men seem to think yourselves to be perfection incarnate, it's rather odd that there are so many imperfections about the male form.

A banana has a yellow peel, yes? Do we eat this peel? No, of course not. In order to get to the delicious fruit, the long firm succulent white tube deep into your mouth, you have to remove the peel, yes? Now, would you call that a mistake by God? I should hope not. Now all you have to do is close your eyes and apply the same imagery to a tallywacker....

What a silly you are, Zeke!
The banana peel can be eaten, if one's determined enough. But the same as anything with a shell. Simply an outer coating. Crabs and lobsters have shells. Do we eat them? Nope. Why? Because the crab or lobster uses them, not us.
And what does that have to do with circumcision?? One does not 'peel' a tallywhacker before they.....umm.....you know. Unless they are peeling off something artificial that was put on there.
The foreskin has no essential, life or death purpose, whereas the banana peel does, to the banana.

Anyway.....God designs things for His own reasons. That includes tallywackers and bananas and everything else. You should be on your knees thanking Him for such perfection!

In other words, you're agreeing with my 'oops!' theory?

[Enobarbus]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Eno, my dear, sweet, Eno, you know I'm not wiccan. The god and goddess belief is not what I hold.
Pagan, not wiccan. I'm surprised at you! You usually have a very good memory.

Anyway, back on topic.
You'd assume that if a being were designing the universe and had potential to make perfect design, why not do so?

Let's pretend for a moment that I think the bible god is real (which I do not). It's as though he was like 'oops, forgot to fix that...hmmm....how can I fix that....OH!! I know!! Make it a sign of the covenant! That way I can use it AND they won't think to blame me for my oops!! BOOYAH!!! Go me!!'

How many times to I have to explain it to you, you bilthering idiotic heathen. After men sinned things went wrong. Apart from that, if man had been perfect there would have been no need for Free Will, etc. There are some who argue that all these problems and malfuntions that men are heir to were not there in Adam in the garden, but were introduced later when Adam sinned.

Clearly your eyes have been blinded by Satan. A child can understand what I've just said but you can't. Why is that? Adam may have been much closer to perfect, but after Adam sinned mankind became subject to illnessess and other problems.

How many times does this have to repeated before you can grasp it.

God obviously chose not to make a perfect universe anyway, because he allowed sin.

If you want to know why, I suggest that you ask him -- you may have half a chance just before he hurtles you into the Lake of Fire with all the other witches.

And pagan wiccan, what's the bleeding difference? In the sight of God nothing! You are all heathen trash.

And why doesn't your pagan God or Gods sort things out then? You know, the ones you sacrifice animals too. And human children when things go really bad.

And what have you and your witch friend done with Daniel? The DOF is investigating, you know?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

How many times to I have to explain it to you, you bilthering idiotic heathen. After men sinned things went wrong. Apart from that, if man had been perfect there would have been no need for Free Will, etc. There are some who argue that all these problems and malfuntions that men are heir to were not there in Adam in the garden, but were introduced later when Adam sinned.

But what does that have to do with Adam having a foreskin? Are you saying it just appeared when he ate the apple?

Clearly your eyes have been blinded by Satan. A child can understand what I've just said but you can't. Why is that? Adam may have been much closer to perfect, but after Adam sinned mankind became subject to illnessess and other problems.

Like a foreskin??
The bible doesn't say:
'And because of thy sins, Adam, I shall place imperfection upon thy manliness, that it may be snipped by thee and thine forevermore.'

How many times does this have to repeated before you can grasp it.

God obviously chose not to make a perfect universe anyway, because he allowed sin.

The bible doesn't refer to a universe being made at all, only the planet earth. And you'd think an intelligent designer would take out as many problems as possible.
I mean, unless you think your deity is like Bill Gates and Microsoft...or whoever invented Macintosh.

If you want to know why, I suggest that you ask him -- you may have half a chance just before he hurtles you into the Lake of Fire with all the other witches.

I'll start worrying about that around the time I'll start worrying about getting coal in my stocking.

And pagan wiccan, what's the bleeding difference? In the sight of God nothing! You are all heathen trash.

The same as there is a difference between you and catholics, even though your beliefs are exceedingly similar in many ways.

And why doesn't your pagan God or Gods sort things out then? You know, the ones you sacrifice animals too. And human children when things go really bad.

Hey!
Cooking an already dead suckling pig is NOT the same as killing it myself. And would you stop with the human sacrifice thing already??
From the sounds of things, xtians seem to be more expert than me on human sacrifices....as are in the bible....done by xtians!

And what have you and your witch friend done with Daniel? The DOF is investigating, you know?

Eno, sweetie, you really need to accept that was just a movie. There isn't a Lord Summerisle.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is just silly. That incident you mention was a one-off. Never again does the bible mention any such thing.

That just goes to show how perfect GOD is! If you were designing the universe, would you think of designing the human body to include a feature specifically designed to make life easier for one prospective father-in-law in several centuries' time? No, because you are a woman, and thus incapable of thinking.

I mean, unless you think your deity is like... whoever invented Macintosh.

Did you just equate GOD and Satan?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

That just goes to show how perfect GOD is! If you were designing the universe, would you think of designing the human body to include a feature specifically designed to make life easier for one prospective father-in-law in several centuries' time? No, because you are a woman, and thus incapable of thinking.

How does it make it easier??
Like I said, the whole mark of the covenant thing is silly, seeing as the Ancient Egyptians were doing it first.

Did you just equate GOD and Satan?

I know, I know, I don't like Macs much either.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

How does it make it easier??
Like I said, the whole mark of the covenant thing is silly, seeing as the Ancient Egyptians were doing it first.

Friend, if you were any less capable of basic logical thought, I'd have to start calling you Hairy Homer. Saul wanted proof that David had killed a hundred heathens, so the Lord thoughtfully designed things so that there was a physical proof of heathenism. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Being circumcised does not automatically equate to being Saved, but being uncircumcised does automatically equate to being unsaved. It's really not that difficult.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Friend, if you were any less capable of basic logical thought, I'd have to start calling you Hairy Homer. Saul wanted proof that David had killed a hundred heathens, so the Lord thoughtfully designed things so that there was a physical proof of heathenism. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Being circumcised does not automatically equate to being Saved, but being uncircumcised does automatically equate to being unsaved. It's really not that difficult.

Bah. Hairy Homer is more logical than any of you.

Look, the foreskin is something which is unnecessary and in some cases unhygenic.

And seeing as the Ancient Egyptians were snipping tips a long time before the bible writers came up with the covenant idea, it renders your idea completely null.

Face it, there's almost nothing truly original about your religion! Almost all of it was stolen and adapted from somewhere else. And the bits which weren't stolen, were merely add-ons to the stolen bits.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Face it, there's almost nothing truly original about your religion! Almost all of it was stolen and adapted from somewhere else. And the bits which weren't stolen, were merely add-ons to the stolen bits.

It seems all you do, Mrs. Satan, is spout attacks against Christianity. You've yet to explain why your baby-eating, naked-dancing, deity-du-jour-worshipping religion is as or more valid.

I eagerly await your response . . . Let me know when to get the baptismal ready.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

It seems all you do, Mrs. Satan would you quit calling me that?? I'm going to start calling YOU HighOn'E's! , is spout attacks against Christianity. You've yet to explain why your baby-eating, naked-dancing, deity-du-jour-worshipping religion is as or more valid.

It's what I have chosen as a valid path for me. I'm not trying to convert you to my spiritual beliefs, I more have a problem with religions like xtianity who insist that their way is the only way, try to convert everyone else to their own way of thinking, and who think that they, and all their texts etc, came first.

I don't run around trying to convert everyone. You, however, do.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

It's what I have chosen as a valid path for me. I'm not trying to convert you to my spiritual beliefs, I more have a problem with religions like xtianity who insist that their way is the only way, try to convert everyone else to their own way of thinking, and who think that they, and all their texts etc, came first.

I don't run around trying to convert everyone. You, however, do.

You are trying to convert people who come here to non-Christianity, which is the same as following your true master, Satan.

However, even if you genuinely believe your Wickerism, you have said yourself that you have chosen it yourself.

Something is Truth, or it is not. God's Word is Truth; what do you have? A bunch of half-baked stories, fragments from ancient cults, and speculations? Yet that is somehow more valid than God's Word?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

You are trying to convert people who come here to non-Christianity, which is the same as following your true master, Satan.

No, I'm merely pointing out flaws in a destructive, bullying, and hateful belief system. What people who read it choose to make of that information is entirely up to them.

However, even if you genuinely believe your Wickerism, you have said yourself that you have chosen it yourself.

I don't believe in 'wickerism', by which I assume you mean wicca. I keep telling you, I'm not wiccan.

Something is Truth, or it is not. God's Word is Truth; what do you have? A bunch of half-baked stories, fragments from ancient cults, and speculations? Yet that is somehow more valid than God's Word?

I said, I've chosen what's valid for me. Seeing as I don't seek to convert you to my spiritual beliefs, there's really nothing further that needs to be said.
Except I'll say this, I see the spiritual and physical world as separate things. And as far as the physical world goes, I do believe evolution is what happened with this physical world (and de-volution in cases like that of GWB ).
And speaking of evolution, can we get off this tangent and back on topic now?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

It's what I have chosen as a valid path for me. I'm not trying to convert you to my spiritual beliefs, I more have a problem with religions like xtianity who insist that their way is the only way, try to convert everyone else to their own way of thinking, and who think that they, and all their texts etc, came first.

I don't run around trying to convert everyone. You, however, do.

What do your joke false bunny gods do to people who don't worship them? What rewards do they give to those who do?

And speaking of evolution, can we get off this tangent and back on topic now?

Always trying to turn the discussion back to tallywhackers, aren't you?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

It's what I have chosen as a valid path for me. I'm not trying to convert you to my spiritual beliefs, I more have a problem with religions like xtianity who insist that their way is the only way, try to convert everyone else to their own way of thinking, and who think that they, and all their texts etc, came first.

I don't run around trying to convert everyone. You, however, do.

Rubbish, you're only here to lead the faithful away from God and mock us.
Also, there cannot be several correct ways, only one:
OURS! (John 14:6)

And it is a narrow way we walk, but many and broad are the ways towards damnation (and yours is just one of them).
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 7:14

Whatever Christian concept you pagans think you had before us..
You only had them because satan pre-stole them.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

What do your joke false bunny gods do to people who don't worship them? What rewards do they give to those who do?

Yes Rachael, what is the point of a religion if no one is punished? I mean it is like having a house without a solarium or a wine celler; just the same as being homeless.