[stever the believer]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Well that was hardly blasphemous. I suppose that's the humor of this forum. It's a link to Answers in Genesis. You can search for skin variation or something similar if you like within that site.

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[GOD=life]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Alrighty. From what I discovered after a very small amount of research, scientists claim that atoms are bonded together to form molecules by a few different ways, depending on the molecule.

Go read this inspirational story where an evolutionist is has all his arguments refuted by a Christian -- it's the one Pastor Ezekiel pointed to earlier:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

If you read that story, you cannot conclude anything else than that Jesus Christ holds the atoms together.

If you go to a public school, then you should let your professor read that tract. No doubt he will become as convinced as we all are and quit his job.

[EightyEight]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Go read this inspirational story where an evolutionist is has all his arguments refuted by a Christian -- it's the one Pastor Ezekiel pointed to earlier:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

If you read that story, you cannot conclude anything else than that Jesus Christ holds the atoms together.

If you go to a public school, then you should let your professor read that tract. No doubt he will become as convinced as we all are and quit his job.

I actually did read that comic the first time I saw the link to it. Some very interesting points are presented, and I'll have to look into them with more tenacity. I believe you are beginning to look at me as a devout and fanatical evolutionist, but I assure you, I am not.

[GOD=life]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

I believe you are beginning to look at me as a devout and fanatical evolutionist, but I assure you, I am not.

Our opinions on "fanatical" may differ. To you, it may be perfectly normal to shout at people who prove that Jesus Christ holds each and every atom together instead of imaginary gluons.

You also probably think it's perfectly harmless to teach children about the easter bunny, santa (aka satan) and the tooth fairy too. It can actually be very dangerous:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1033/1033_01.asp

[EightyEight]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Our opinions on "fanatical" may differ. To you, it may be perfectly normal to shout at people who prove that Jesus Christ holds each and every atom together instead of imaginary gluons.

You also probably think it's perfectly harmless to teach children about the easter bunny, santa (aka satan) and the tooth fairy too. It can actually be very dangerous:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1033/1033_01.asp

You know what happens when we assume things...

[John Scopes]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

You know what happens when we assume things...

First off I would like to welcome you and Steven to this place. It is like a place no other.

My ongoing research here has been fascinating, and challenging. The propensity of Evangelical Christians to sequester themselves from the rest of society has resulted in a very limited diversity of genetic lines.

In addition, because of the aforementioned self imposed seclusion they home-school their young. Naturally because this has gone on for many many generations, the average Baptist has the equivalent education of an 8th grader.

If you remain, you will find a challenging but rewarding scientific study into both a cessation of evolutionary progress, and social anthropology.

[True Disciple]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

So for example, let's say the original humans, Adam and Eve, had AaBb genes. They have kids and their kids have kids, etc. over time, the genes are mixed into AABb, AAbb, aaBB and so on.

Genetics are unbiblical, and are therefore not regarded as valid science by Creation Scientists. Why is this so? Because, for any genetic locus, we possess two alleles, as we have two of each chromosome. This means that we all would carry two different alleles for each locus in our body.
However, as we all descend from Adam and Eve, this means that there can not possibly exist more than four alleles for each locus, as that would have been the number of alleles Adam and Eve possessed together. Granted, maybe one of them microevolved into a fifth one, but nowadays there exist hundreds of different alleles for some loci among humans, which microevolution cannot account for. As this is incompatible with the fact that we all descend from two people, Adam and Eve, this means that the pseudoscience of genetics is in error.

[John Scopes]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Genetics are unbiblical, and are therefore not regarded as valid science by Creation Scientists. Why is this so? Because, for any genetic locus, we possess two alleles, as we have two of each chromosome. This means that we all would carry two different alleles for each locus in our body.
However, as we all descend from Adam and Eve, this means that there can not possibly exist more than four alleles for each locus, as that would have been the number of alleles Adam and Eve possessed together. Granted, maybe one of them microevolved into a fifth one, but nowadays there exist hundreds of different alleles for some loci among humans, which microevolution cannot account for. As this is incompatible with the fact that we all descend from two people, Adam and Eve, this means that the pseudoscience of genetics is in error.

Sir, I am impressed. In spite of the fact you are batshit crazy our opinions differ, this is an interesting perspective.

[True Disciple]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Sir, I am impressed. In spite of the fact you are batshit crazy our opinions differ, this is an interesting perspective.

And I thank you, sir, for being unable to refute my point and therefore trying to insult me with striked-out messages opening your mind to True Scientific(tm) Ideas.

[EightyEight]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Ha. You two crack me up.

[John Scopes]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Ha. You two crack me up.

Sir, if you have some useful input that furthers science please provide your input.

Otherwise if I choose to interact with that Neanderthal particular individual please remain silent.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

I found some interesting discussion and articles elsewhere on the intertubes.

Apparently, humans do have tails while they are still in the womb, which are later absorbed into the body to form the coccyx (commonly known as the tailbone).

So you think that foetuses in the womb aren't proper people, they're freaky monkeybabies with tails? Obviously, killing a freaky monkeytailbaby isn't murder, so your argument is clearly just a thinly-veiled attempt to make foetus-murder look acceptable. How do you know about these tails? Have you looked inside many wombs yourself, or are you just repeating what the pro-tail, anti-life media tell you?

You actually have a tail. Feel around the lower tip of the backside of your pelvis. That bone you feel is the tail.

Thst's nonsense, and I can easily disprove it. Back when I was unsaved, I used to commit the sin of fornication on a regular basis. According to your thesis, the people I fornicated with had tails. But obviously if I committed unnatural acts with freaky mutant tailpeople, I'd be socially ostracised and hopefully stoned to death. That never happened, therefore people aren't crazy mutants with tails.

In simple terms we were all once very dark skinned, only when the earliest humans began to migrate out of Africa did the level of melanin begin to change.

Another damned atheist lie. I met a darkie from Africa the other day, she'd migrated from Africa years ago and yet her levels of "melanin" hadn't changed at all. You loons don't even bother trying to make your lies plausible anymore.

Interesting comparison. However, those are all naturally quadripedal animals. As bipedal humans, we do not have body mass that expands horizontally through space away from our center of balance. We are able to distribute our weight along a vertical plane, which means a tail would be completely useless.

If we evolved from quadripedal animals, how come we're bipedal now? Surely there should be a "missing link" of animals that walked on three legs - where are they?

I will look into it and get back to you. Though I'm not sure why you're asking me, as you have the same set of resources available

We'll pray to God, you can pray to science, and we'll see who gets the better answer.

[EightyEight]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

So you think that foetuses in the womb aren't proper people, they're freaky monkeybabies with tails?

Umm... what? Please make at least a small effort to read--and comprehend--my posts before making unwarranted assumptions. If you read back a little bit, you'll see that some of your fellow Landoverites have approached these discussions very maturely, and have received the same respect in return.

Also, *fetuses.

Obviously, killing a freaky monkeytailbaby isn't murder, so your argument is clearly just a thinly-veiled attempt to make foetus-murder look acceptable. How do you know about these tails? Have you looked inside many wombs yourself, or are you just repeating what the pro-tail, anti-life media tell you?

I have no intention of destroying any fetuses. I honestly have no idea where you got that from reading any one of my posts.

No, obviously I haven't LOOKED INSIDE any wombs. I'm not a doctor. I did some research, and reported what scientists are claiming. If, again, you'd read my posts, you'd see that I wasn't supporting the idea, nor was I refuting it.

Thst's nonsense, and I can easily disprove it. Back when I was unsaved, I used to commit the sin of fornication on a regular basis. According to your thesis, the people I fornicated with had tails. But obviously if I committed unnatural acts with freaky mutant tailpeople, I'd be socially ostracised and hopefully stoned to death. That never happened, therefore people aren't crazy mutants with tails.

Sounds reasonable. I've never seen a llama in real life, therefore they must not exist either. Also, I was driving over the speed limit today, but didn't get a speeding ticket. Speeding laws--and the police officers who enforce them--must not exist, otherwise I would have gotten a ticket and maybe even imprisoned. I like your logic; I think I'll start applying it to my daily life to make things easier for me as well.

If we evolved from quadripedal animals, how come we're bipedal now? Surely there should be a "missing link" of animals that walked on three legs - where are they?

How many arms would this mystical three-legged creature have? What you just said makes no sense whatsoever, even from an evolutionary standpoint. I can see you have well-grounded intentions with whatever you are doing here, but please understand how frustrating it is when you make a direct quote, then refute it by talking about something completely different.

We'll pray to God, you can pray to science, and we'll see who gets the better answer.

Doesn't sound fair. You're asking me to PRAY to SCIENCE. That's obviously impossible.

[True Disciple]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Umm... what? Please make at least a small effort to read--and comprehend--my posts before making unwarranted assumptions.

Brother Temperance only drew a logical conclusion from your statements. Instead of whining about it, you'd do better actually considering what kind of idiocies you have been saying so far.

No, obviously I haven't LOOKED INSIDE any wombs. I'm not a doctor. I did some research, and reported what scientists are claiming.

Well, that was Brother Temperance's point, wasn't it? You don't know what you are talking about, you just repeat statements of scientists.

Sounds reasonable. I've never seen a llama in real life, therefore they must not exist either. Also, I was driving over the speed limit today, but didn't get a speeding ticket. Speeding laws--and the police officers who enforce them--must not exist, otherwise I would have gotten a ticket and maybe even imprisoned. I like your logic; I think I'll start applying it to my daily life to make things easier for me as well.

Now you're getting even more ridiculous. Brother Temperance provided personal evidence that people don't have tails, in contrast to your claims. Are you saying we have invisible tails or something?

How many arms would this mystical three-legged creature have?

1 of course. 4 - 3 = 1. Are you stupid?

Doesn't sound fair. You're asking me to PRAY to SCIENCE. That's obviously impossible.

Yes, it is. This proves that you should pray to God instead.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Doesn't sound fair. You're asking me to PRAY to SCIENCE. That's obviously impossible.

So friend you are admitting faith in Science can't save you from Hell?