[Little Donkey]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I have to edit my first response, because I made a mistake in my math blah blah more lies

So you admit your own post is full of errors! And yet you have the nerve to publically call Dr. Ville a liar? I think only Jesus can lead you out of the dark place you're in.

Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

And is this not why God told us pi=3?

I have just mathematically proven to you that you can make pi any value you want, and the method that the "Good Dr." used was correct.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I am well versed and fluent of the language of calculus, so you can please explain, the substitutions, I will understand, I am trying to understand how you chose those "arbitrary values" for volume and radius. Based on your calculations, and methods I can make pi any value I would like, for example; for a sphere, I chose a Radius ® = 3 and a Volume (V) = 36, plugging into the formula that You derived with that factor of 2 that we both agree should be in the formula, V= 4/3 * (pi) * r^3 --> 36 = 4/3 * (pi) * 3^3 Solving for pi we end up with pi = 5.0. I can do this with multiple values, and so forth to get whatever value of pi I want. So without explaining how you came up with those values, your proof becomes completely invalid.

You say you are well-versed and fluent in the language of calculus, and yet you struggle with the concept of substitution? Is this what passes for "fluent" in your public school mathematics classes? If so, we are in worse shape as a nation than I realized!

Let me try again, more slowly this time. In short, we are trying to solve for pi. Since you've proven you can't handle basic mathematics, let us try physics on for size. You'll recall the Newtonian formula for Force: F=Ma. As an analogy, let us solve for M (mass, in case you haven't covered this in Remedial Physics 101): M = F/a. If we have a force of 120 Newtons and note an acceleration of 10 m/s^2, we can simply substitute these values into their appropriately-named variables: M = F / a => M = (120 Newtons) / (10 m/s^2). Then you, being the public school product you are, plug this into your calculator and find that the mass of the said object is 12 kg.

This can be verified by further mathematics. You'll note that if you take the values and put them back into the original equation (F = Ma), you get the following: (120 Newtons) = (12 kg) x (10 m/s^2), which is true (120 := 120). Thus we have proven that the equation holds and we have arrived at the correct answer.

Now you say, "but I can choose any value I want". However, as I showed, this isn't true! If, instead of 12 kg, you insist "no, it really is 10 kg", then what happens? Well when you take the original values and plug them back into the equation, it becomes immediately obvious that it is a false statement: 120 Newtons = (10 kg) x (10 m/s^2) => 120 is not equal to 100!

I hope that this helps clear things up for you. I've tried to use the most simple math I can, but beyond this, I'm afraid you'll have to spend some time with a tutor or something, as I am a busy man and can't afford to spend my valuable time helping someone with these basic concepts. I suspect that it may be in your own best interest to simply accept this and to spend your energy in other fields, as clearly advanced mathematics is not where the Lord has chosen for you to excel!

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

So you admit your own post is full of errors! And yet you have the nerve to publically call Dr. Ville a liar? I think only Jesus can lead you out of the dark place you're in.

Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

A real person can admit when they were wrong, I corrected myself. Problem solved. I nowhere in my post called him a liar, I asked how he got his numbers. I mean come on, how does he expect to get that Nobel Prize without disclosing his full proof?

[James Hutchins]

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A real person can admit when they were wrong, I corrected myself. Problem solved. I nowhere in my post called him a liar, I asked how he got his numbers. I mean come on, how does he expect to get that Nobel Prize without disclosing his full proof?

I am glad to know you can admit you are wrong. When you are Judged by Him He will look upon this and He may go easy on you.
Proof is simple as mentioning the Bible. Everything anyone needs to know is between its' slick leather cover.

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

You say you are well-versed and fluent in the language of calculus, and yet you struggle with the concept of substitution? Is this what passes for "fluent" in your public school mathematics classes? If so, we are in worse shape as a nation than I realized!

Let me try again, more slowly this time. In short, we are trying to solve for pi. Since you've proven you can't handle basic mathematics, let us try physics on for size. You'll recall the Newtonian formula for Force: F=Ma. As an analogy, let us solve for M (mass, in case you haven't covered this in Remedial Physics 101): M = F/a. If we have a force of 120 Newtons and note an acceleration of 10 m/s^2, we can simply substitute these values into their appropriately-named variables: M = F / a => M = (120 Newtons) / (10 m/s^2). Then you, being the public school product you are, plug this into your calculator and find that the mass of the said object is 12 kg.

This can be verified by further mathematics. You'll note that if you take the values and put them back into the original equation (F = Ma), you get the following: (120 Newtons) = (12 kg) x (10 m/s^2), which is true (120 := 120). Thus we have proven that the equation holds and we have arrived at the correct answer.

Now you say, "but I can choose any value I want". However, as I showed, this isn't true! If, instead of 12 kg, you insist "no, it really is 10 kg", then what happens? Well when you take the original values and plug them back into the equation, it becomes immediately obvious that it is a false statement: 120 Newtons = (10 kg) x (10 m/s^2) => 120 is not equal to 100!

I hope that this helps clear things up for you. I've tried to use the most simple math I can, but beyond this, I'm afraid you'll have to spend some time with a tutor or something, as I am a busy man and can't afford to spend my valuable time helping someone with these basic concepts. I suspect that it may be in your own best interest to simply accept this and to spend your energy in other fields, as clearly advanced mathematics is not where the Lord has chosen for you to excel!

Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration. This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers. It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration. This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers. It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

All this sounds very impressive and I'm sure lots of secularists will sit in awe but doesn't mean you are going to Heaven.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Ahh see thats where you are wrong. Newtons Second law of motion formula doesn't prove anything because you still assumed random values to your Force and Acceleration.

I'm starting to suspect that you're being intentionally thick. I was neither proving nor disproving Newton's Second Law of Motion. I was using a well-known mathematical formula in an attempt to break through that thick wall of ignorance you wear like a priceless vest.

This is analogous to doing it to the volume formula, for example: in this instance let our Force be analogous to our volume (V) which I chose as 180 and our Acceleration to be analogous to radius which was chosen to be 3, and 4/3pi will be our Mass. It still works the same way. which will result in a Mass of 5, with random chosen numbers.

Now you're just making up problems. If you choose a radius with units of acceleration, you'd get nonsense. You're not paying attention to the details here, which is, of course, where the most interesting things are. Sure you can pick random numbers -- no one is arguing that! 5+4 = -2. Sure, I can write that down, but it doesn't make it true. That is why I provided the example above: 120 := 120. That is a statement that is mathematically true. When I picked numbers above (120 Newtons, 10 m/s^2), they were picked somewhat randomly. However, using the same laws of mathematics as I used in the original calculation of pi, I was able to deduct fair and true results from those numbers.

It proves N.O.T.H.I.N.G. If I were to keep my volume constant and change my radius, it would result in a geometric shape that isn't a sphere because it isn't possible to have a sphere with a known given volume that can have several different sized radii. Unless you can tell the rest of us how you came up with your Values for Radius and Volume in your original derivation, your proof like I said, is invalid.

It's the same principle as if I chose to calculate the area of a box with sides 2' x 3'. The area is 6 square feet. If I randomly pick a box with sides 2' x 10', the area of the box is 20 square feet. Both random, both true. I don't see what you're missing about this.

At this point I feel that you are being intentionally dense, in an attempt to prove some sort of odd point. As I have said, I am being as clear about this as I can be! I've had zero complaints or problems from my peer Creation Scientists, so I am confident that the problem lies somewhere on your end (presumably between your ears).

[Engineer6433]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I'm starting to suspect that you're being intentionally thick. I was neither proving nor disproving Newton's Second Law of Motion. I was using a well-known mathematical formula in an attempt to break through that thick wall of ignorance you wear like a priceless vest.


Now you're just making up problems. If you choose a radius with units of acceleration, you'd get nonsense. You're not paying attention to the details here, which is, of course, where the most interesting things are. Sure you can pick random numbers -- no one is arguing that! 5+4 = -2. Sure, I can write that down, but it doesn't make it true. That is why I provided the example above: 120 := 120. That is a statement that is mathematically true. When I picked numbers above (120 Newtons, 10 m/s^2), they were picked somewhat randomly. However, using the same laws of mathematics as I used in the original calculation of pi, I was able to deduct fair and true results from those numbers.



It's the same principle as if I chose to calculate the area of a box with sides 2' x 3'. The area is 6 square feet. If I randomly pick a box with sides 2' x 10', the area of the box is 20 square feet. Both random, both true. I don't see what you're missing about this.

At this point I feel that you are being intentionally dense, in an attempt to prove some sort of odd point. As I have said, I am being as clear about this as I can be! I've had zero complaints or problems from my peer Creation Scientists, so I am confident that the problem lies somewhere on your end (presumably between your ears).

Tsk tsk, you keep ignoring the facts. You keep picking random numbers, you even are saying it yourself. And you keep ignoring the fact you still never claim where you get your original numbers for Volume and Radius from. Where did they come from? You chose those randomly as well. Thats what I am trying to get at. Sure a box (A = L x W) 2 x 3 has a area of 6. Its area is directly proportional to the measurement of its sides (Length and Width). As well as the volume of a sphere is directly proportional to its radius cubed. (V = 4/3 x Pi x r^3). You can treat this as the same as the Area Formula where V = A, (4/3 * Pi) = L, and W = r^3. You chose a known volume, and radius that would give you the number you wanted for Pi. I have shown this repeatedly. So unless you can tell us all where you got those numbers from instead of arbitrarily (Randomly) being chosen, (which I do believe is the case), your proof is invalid.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Tsk tsk, you keep ignoring the facts. You keep picking random numbers, you even are saying it yourself. And you keep ignoring the fact you still never claim where you get your original numbers for Volume and Radius from. Where did they come from? You chose those randomly as well. Thats what I am trying to get at. Sure a box (A = L x W) 2 x 3 has a area of 6. Its area is directly proportional to the measurement of its sides (Length and Width). As well as the volume of a sphere is directly proportional to its radius cubed. (V = 4/3 x Pi x r^3). You can treat this as the same as the Area Formula where V = A, (4/3 * Pi) = L, and W = r^3. You chose a known volume, and radius that would give you the number you wanted for Pi. I have shown this repeatedly. So unless you can tell us all where you got those numbers from instead of arbitrarily (Randomly) being chosen, (which I do believe is the case), your proof is invalid.

Friend. You are missing a serious matter. That of the fact that God doesn't care one bit about any of that claptrap.

If you want to go to Heaven you need to start praising Jesus and doing God's bidding.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Psalm 145:3 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.

Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

[James Hutchins]

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Tsk tsk, you keep ignoring the facts. tl;dr......

Friend, the only facts worth following are those as contained in the KJV as spelled out by God. Is it your contention that God could of made an error?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

I have just mathematically proven to you that you can make pi any value you want, and the method that the "Good Dr." used was correct.

Look, buddy, I don't know what all those words mean, but if the Bible says pi = 3, it equals three. Not four. Not 3 point one and a half. Three.

Once you question God's ability to do math correctly, then you are on the slippery slope to having all the anal sex you want, murdering your parents, and voting for Jerry Brown. If you absolutely insist on taking the well worn travail to Hell, why do you feel the need to convince other people to come with you?

[John Scopes]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Mr. Engineer welcome to this place. You may or may not come to this place with good intentions but trying to put forth facts will only result in somewhat hostile reactions.

[Little Donkey]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Friend, the only facts worth following are those as contained in the KJV as spelled out by God. Is it your contention that God could of made an error?

I think you have hit the nail on the head there, Mr Hutchins. In 2000 years the finest minds the world has even seen have been unable to find even a single error or contradiction in the Bible. And yet this joker, who can't seemingly write 2 sentences back to back without making a schoolboy error, comes along and claims the Bible is wrong. So in his mind I suppose we're meant to stop worshipping Jesus and start worshipping him now? I don't think so

[stonyy]

Re: Pi Calculated to 4.5 billion decimal places

Dear Lord Almighty...Lazarus with a triple bypass...Pastor Zeke has returned from the undead! When you coming back to Facebook hun? Not been the same without you.