[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Sigh. I tried to explain that by using curvalinear perspective, I could deduce the moon was a sphere (the curvature of the ridges as well as shadowing (which is shading) that is two of the categories. And way to sound like an ignoramus, most of those things could not give you an accurate indication of shape or nature, only size and texture.

Q: which cues are present
A: Most obviously curvalinear perspective and shadowing, could probably identify more subtle ones.

Also GOD made it pretty clear when he spoke to Moses, giving him the clear commandment 'thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor' and posting paintings of old world lithographs as well as photos you KNOW IN YOUR HEART are doctored is bearing false witness. Sorry

So my original point stands

1. I see a sphere in the sky. Due to Curvalinear perspective, shadowing, and others, I can easily deduce it is a sphere and can only be a sphere
2. Is this sphere real, tangible, and measurable?
3. If not, why do I see it

What say you?

Curvilinear perspective is the curvature of parallel lines in the peripheral vision, relative to objects in the center of the visual field. So unless the moon was close enough for the middle of it to be in the center of your visual field, and the edges of it to be in your peripheral vision, this cue would not be present. Sorry.

Lighting/shading WOULD cause the moon to undergo phases, as it does, but in fact the APPEARANCE that lighting/shading is causing the phases of the moon is caused by the Devil blocking parts of it out to deceive you. So, this answer is pretty good for a freshman in college, but still not valid Christian testimony.

Note that the curvature of the shadows on the crescent moon are always the same as the curvature of the Devil's horns.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"how do we know slavery is wrong" I guess we haven't come very far in 2000 years. Maybe that's why Jesus isn't back yet. He spends his first and biggest sermon preaching about how we should all strive to be better, to become closer to God, to live by the golden rule, "but how do we know slavery is wrong"? I'll abandon that one while I still can.

I posted this in the other flat earth thread and haven't seen any answers so I'll try here:

As I look out of my bedroom window, I see the Moon. It seems spherical. In one month when I look out the window it will still be there, but rotated, thus confirming it as a sphere. I notice that the moon casts shadows on the earth, just as the Sun does to us and the moon. I then use a process of inference that If the Moon is round and spins and it goes around us, then the earth is round and spins and goes around the Sun, which is round and spins....etc etc.

please tell me where in this paragraph I am wrong

So the Bible says slavery is wrong?

The moon is a light on the firmament for signs and seasons.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Now I'm even more confused!

One says that the Moon is, to some degree greater than zero, an illusion by Satan.
One says that the Moon is a light in the sky given by god.

Both cannot be right. Are there verses to back up each story? Once we figure out which of the two scenarios better describes the moon we can continue

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Now I'm even more confused!

One says that the Moon is, to some degree greater than zero, an illusion by Satan.
One says that the Moon is a light in the sky given by god.

Both cannot be right. Are there verses to back up each story? Once we figure out which of the two scenarios better describes the moon we can continue

No. Don't they teach you to read in college? The shadow on the moon is cast by Satan. That's what I said. BOTH of us AND the Bible have said it is a light in the firmament. There is no contradiction here. Wrap your feeble mind around that, boy.

Revelation 12:9 says the Devil is a deceiver.

Genesis 1:14 refers to the lights in the firmament.

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

How can the Moon be light? Nothing is pure light- light is radiation that needs to come from a source. Turn the light switch off it gets instantly dark. Where is the light from the Moon coming from, and if the Moon is made of light then how can it cast a shadow upon itself? Only things with mass and volume and such can cast shadows, yet light has none. Also about this firmament thing......I don't understand. We can use a telescope to look at distant stars and approximate their distance in light years, thus giving us approximate ages of the image we are seeing (based on the speed of light). Are you saying all of the stars and other planets are an illusion too?

Again if God is perfect and trickery is a form of imperfection, why is there a massive phantom universe surrounding us that looks suspiciously like a real universe yet you claim it is God just tricking us. Where does it say this specifically in the Bible?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Now I'm even more confused!

One says that the Moon is, to some degree greater than zero, an illusion by Satan.
One says that the Moon is a light in the sky given by god.

Both cannot be right. Are there verses to back up each story? Once we figure out which of the two scenarios better describes the moon we can continue

Of course the moon is a light in the firmament for signs and seasons.

Genesis 1:14-19
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

When I look at the sky it is as God describes it. It's only when you start messing about with devil contraptions of science you start seeing the things they made the contraptions for to show you things that supposedly disprove God. And how do we know this is not just sorcery from Satan to deceive us?

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nowhere in the Passage Genesis 1:14-19 is it stated that the devil has any control or interferes with the moon. I am still waiting to hear a verse that explains the devil's role in making it look like it has a shadow. Also nowhere in the verse does the text say that the stars are simply little lights suspended upon a firmament. They could be nuclear reations millions of light years away. The point is you are putting your own interpretation on the word of God.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nowhere in the Passage Genesis 1:14-19 is it stated that the devil has any control or interferes with the moon. I am still waiting to hear a verse that explains the devil's role in making it look like it has a shadow. Also nowhere in the verse does the text say that the stars are simply little lights suspended upon a firmament. They could be nuclear reations millions of light years away. The point is you are putting your own interpretation on the word of God.

What's the matter with you? Why are you so obsessed with trying to find imperfection in the perfect word of God? Why, I'm getting quite suspicious of your motives for being here, young man. It's like you are trying to hold the word of God up for mockery and paint it a shambles of contradictory nonsense that falls apart under the slightest critical scrutiny. Are the millions of people who have avidly followed its message for thousands of years therefore fools?

Where does all this hate come from?

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nothing is "the matter" with me. I registered in this forum under the explicit pretense to ask questions pertaining to faith, and even discussed this in my introduction. I further asked if such questions would be welcome and was received with generally positive comments.

I am not the one saying the word of God is shambles that falls apart under the slightest scientific scrutiny, YOU are the one that said that brother.

As far as the logical fallacy of the "bandwagon argument" the amount of people for or against any given position in any given time has no correlation to is truthfulness.

I am simply asking for an answer to a few, short, basic questions

1. What is the Moon?
2. If it is light, why does it appear to behave like a solid object?
3. If it is solid, why does it appear to be a sphere?
4. If the probability that the moon is a sphere is X>0%, then you must concede there is a possibility that other celestial bodies, including our own Earth, must have the possibility of being a sphere too, with that p>0%
5. If the moon is indeed a mirage, who put it there and with what intent so that we would see it and be fooled into believing it real

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

1. What is the Moon?
2. If it is light, why does it appear to behave like a solid object?
3. If it is solid, why does it appear to be a sphere?
4. If the probability that the moon is a sphere is X>0%, then you must concede there is a possibility that other celestial bodies, including our own Earth, must have the possibility of being a sphere too, with that p>0%
5. If the moon is indeed a mirage, who put it there and with what intent so that we would see it and be fooled into believing it real

1. A lesser light in the firmament (Gen. 1:16)

2. Things that give off light can't have mass?

3. A sphere can't be a solid?

4. Read Genesis.

5. Mirage? Re-read Genesis.

YiC,

Zech

[aUniversityStudent]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Excellent! I feel like we are making some really good progress here and I am starting to see now ho the Moon sits in the firmament. Okay, so the moon is a flat, disc-shaped object with some mass that appears to orbit our planet (possibly an illusion) which also has the properties of light radiation, correct?

Please, tell me:

1. What is the moon made of? What is it's weight (just a random ballpark guess in whatever unit you prefer)
2. What kind of light is it (a big light bulb, a star, a candle) and what is its fuel source?
3. Through what physical process that can be described does the Moon radiate light (i.e. it is a light in the firmament, we see it shine, where does this light come from? Does it radiate or reflect light?)
4. Roughly how far is the moon from us? I think I remember seeing something like 500miles earlier but could be wrong, will look for the link.

Thank you ahead of time, these questions are invaluable to understand the true nature of the Moon as revealed to us in Genesis. I guess if there aren't any Bible quotes to cite in these answers you can just estimate to the best of your abilities and give a reasoning for why you picked certain numbers.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Excellent! I feel like we are making some really good progress here and I am starting to see now ho the Moon sits in the firmament. Okay, so the moon is a flat, disc-shaped object with some mass that appears to orbit our planet (possibly an illusion) which also has the properties of light radiation, correct?

Please, tell me:

1. What is the moon made of? What is it's weight (just a random ballpark guess in whatever unit you prefer)
2. What kind of light is it (a big light bulb, a star, a candle) and what is its fuel source?
3. Through what physical process that can be described does the Moon radiate light (i.e. it is a light in the firmament, we see it shine, where does this light come from? Does it radiate or reflect light?)
4. Roughly how far is the moon from us? I think I remember seeing something like 500miles earlier but could be wrong, will look for the link.

Thank you ahead of time, these questions are invaluable to understand the true nature of the Moon as revealed to us in Genesis. I guess if there aren't any Bible quotes to cite in these answers you can just estimate to the best of your abilities and give a reasoning for why you picked certain numbers.

Mr. Student, I'm confused. To what end are these questions? Will they help or hinder your reading the Holy Bible in any way? Faith is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8), it need not be studied and dissected like a toad in biology class. You either have faith Jesus is who He said He is, or you have faith in evolution and Charlie Darwin and his fantastic imagination. What difference does it make how far away the moon is?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

<snicker> Mary, I think he wants to 'phone home'

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

<snicker> Mary, I think he wants to 'phone home'

[Nerddy]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

What's the with edges? I thought there's some kind of intelligent pulling?

If the bible says 'Four corners of the Earth', then why are you showing a circle earth? Circle can't have corners.

btw, who the heck would build structures at the end of the earth?
Can you please confirm the images by going to the edges of the earth and take a pic with your face in it?