[BelieverInGod]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

We know the moon orbits the earth in 27 days. You could observe the moons location at the same time every night, and see that it moves, and is always nearly the same distance from earth. It never goes into a retrograde motion. Assuming the earth is spherical, the only way this could be true is if the moon orbits the earth. Secondly, of course everyone know, you can only see objects when light is reflecting on the objects into your eye, therefore, other than clouds covering the moon, light isn't being reflected on the moon to make us see it. It make it clear when you can't see the moon it's because the one faced side that always faces the earth isn't getting any light reflecting off it's lunar surface. You can test with with a touch (sun), golf ball (moon) and a football (earth) You'll be able to see the different shades on the gold balls surface because of it's position to the touch (sun).

You think you know that. You don't, you just have faith in what scientists are telling you.

Oh, and it's 28 days, isn't it? Amazing coincidence that one moon cycle= 4 weeks = 4 X7 days that God took to create the earth. But of course that would have nothing to do with it.

And how does the fact that the moon never goes retrograde prove that "God didn't do it" or that the earth is round? And no, I won't be doing your tests because for the model to be accurate.

1) First of all, you do realize that a football isn't a sphere, right?

2) If you used a basketball as the earth, the moon (again, generally accepted science) would be the size of a baseball and would be 24 feet away.

Now explain to me how something the size of a baseball, and half way across the yard has any effect on the basketball?

3) The sun would be 1 3/4 miles away and the size of a house.

Again, explain to me how a house that far away would have any affect on the basketball or the baseball.

Care to try again?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Far more likely they lied. Because the moon phases have nothing to do with the month, they change every month. It is possible to tell the approximate time, but that's only because our time system is based off of the revolution of the earth around it's axis, which makes the moon appear to move through the sky.

Oh, so now God's a liar.

Who am I going to believe, the creator of all? Or some half-wit atheist on the internet

But logically it doesn't sound logical at all for the biblical writers to tell the truth. I mean, they were creating a religion. They're going to tell you things that they want to see you do, over what they think God wants.

Of course you have proof of this? That 40 people over a couple of thousand years got together and came up with a plan to fool people?

Yeah, of course you do.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the fatherof it.

[schsuter]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The Bible says that Earth has four corners. [Isaiah 11:12]

The Bible says that Earth is a circle. [Revelation 7:1]

Clear statements .
Clearly contradicting each other.
Biblical proof of biblical proof's fallibility.

While this does by no means belittle the value of the Bible in any way and it still is a bright lighthouse on your spiritual way, taking several centuries old expressions for what is meant to simply say "all over the world" and regarding it as instruction for how the world must look like is bound to not accurately reflect reality.
And denying what is is denying God's work, something you do not have an excuse for. [Rom 1:20]

You already have been proven wrong in every way possible, why do you stand here demanding to see proof without providing evidence for your own point that would meet your own standards?
Like, have you seen the end of the world personally? If so you can't prove your claim anyway and if you don't, how can you know it exists?
"It's in the Bible" does not count here for as demonstrated above, the Bible itself proves that it is not a trustworthy source when it comes to the shape of Earth.
And if you are ready to accept pictures like this [from the original post of this thread]
as a "proof" for your point while calling stuff like the imagery from earth.google viewing earth as seen from satellites invalid, you are more than guilty of hypocrisy.

So the end of the world in a geographical sense can not be proven, correct? (Again, trying to extract 'facts' from a book according to which 13 equals 14 [Matt 1:12-16 / Matt 1:17 or Matt 1:2-6 68 / Matt 1:17] is bound to not result in statements of more validity.)
So, you can not prove the end of the world, hence we can assume it does not exist.
Since however the creation of the world was finished on the sixth day and the world is finite earth's shape must be spherical.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The Bible says that Earth has four corners. [Isaiah 11:12]

The Bible says that Earth is a circle. [Revelation 7:1]

Clear statements .
Clearly contradicting each other.
Biblical proof of biblical proof's fallibility.

While this does by no means belittle the value of the Bible in any way and it still is a bright lighthouse on your spiritual way, taking several centuries old expressions for what is meant to simply say "all over the world" and regarding it as instruction for how the world must look like is bound to not accurately reflect reality.
And denying what is is denying God's work, something you do not have an excuse for. [Rom 1:20]

You already have been proven wrong in every way possible, why do you stand here demanding to see proof without providing evidence for your own point that would meet your own standards?
Like, have you seen the end of the world personally? If so you can't prove your claim anyway and if you don't, how can you know it exists?
"It's in the Bible" does not count here for as demonstrated above, the Bible itself proves that it is not a trustworthy source when it comes to the shape of Earth.
And if you are ready to accept pictures like this [from the original post of this thread]
as a "proof" for your point while calling stuff like the imagery from earth.google viewing earth as seen from satellites invalid, you are more than guilty of hypocrisy.

So the end of the world in a geographical sense can not be proven, correct? (Again, trying to extract 'facts' from a book according to which 13 equals 14 [Matt 1:12-16 / Matt 1:17 or Matt 1:2-6 68 / Matt 1:17] is bound to not result in statements of more validity.)
So, you can not prove the end of the world, hence we can assume it does not exist.
Since however the creation of the world was finished on the sixth day and the world is finite earth's shape must be spherical.

Revelation 7:1 makes no mention of a circle.

YIV

[schsuter]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Revelation 7:1 makes no mention of a circle.

YIV

My bad.
Isaiah 40:22 does.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Far more likely they lied. Because the moon phases have nothing to do with the month, they change every month. It is possible to tell the approximate time, but that's only because our time system is based off of the revolution of the earth around it's axis, which makes the moon appear to move through the sky.

But logically it doesn't sound logical at all for the biblical writers to tell the truth. I mean, they were creating a religion. They're going to tell you things that they want to see you do, over what they think God wants.

You lot haven't got the slightest idea what you're on about from one minute to the next. It's all written down for us. That's why you'll never get a mangled and confused message from True Christians.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

My bad.
Isaiah 40:22 does.

And you've never encountered a flat circle?

Not much of a scientist, are you little girl.

Go back and read this thread from the first post. All evidence is provided, all backed with Scripture.

[schsuter]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

And you've never encountered a flat circle?

Not one featuring four corners, I'm afraid.
Revelation 7:1
Isaiah 11:12

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Not one featuring four corners, I'm afraid.
Revelation 7:1
Isaiah 11:12

Never saw a pie? A circle, lumpy top, EDGES (corners)....

[schsuter]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Never saw a pie? A circle, lumpy top, EDGES (corners)....

A circle, being a 2 dimensional shape as has frequently been pointed out, does not have edges.
A cylindrical shape does not feature edges either.
Nor corners, for that matter.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

My explanation I said is more likely being it's been proven...

Not 'proven', 'theorized', which is nothing more than a guess.

Consider this. You are shown a box. You can reasonably know what the size of the box is, possibly what it is made of. You might guess its' proportions. However, being you can at most, only see three sides at a given time, one side is always hidden from view, you can not categorically state it has a bottom at all or that the side you cannot see and surmise they exist. Nor can you have any idea of what is inside the box. You can 'assume', 'guess' or 'theorize'.
Now, if you speak to the Creator of the box or see a detailed list by Him defining its' Creation, you may with relative certainty, have a valid truthful knowledge of the questions regarding the box.
The same holds true with a ball. At any point in time, all you can say is you see a circular object. As you move around the ball, you can postulate that is is not a circle but a ball. Yet you cannot say for sure because one point of the ball is on the table/floor and that more than half of the ball is never visible.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

A circle, being a 2 dimensional shape as has frequently been pointed out, does not have edges.
A cylindrical shape does not feature edges either.
Nor corners, for that matter.

Actually friend, a circle has four edges, one on the outside top, one on the inside top, one on the inside bottom one on the outside bottom.
A flat circle (two dimensional) only lacks depth that a cylinder does.

The earth is more akin to a cylinder though a cylinder is thought of as being hollow whereas a circle is thought of being filled in, like a pie.

[Jedediah]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Not one featuring four corners, I'm afraid.
Revelation 7:1
Isaiah 11:12

Our God truly is an awesome God. If anyone can make a circular world with four corners, admittedly a seeming contradiction (compare Isaiah 11:12 to Isaiah 40:22), it is the LORD of hosts.

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Yet when we cannot comprehend His ways, we may still rejoice in His promises.

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Not 'proven', 'theorized', which is nothing more than a guess.

WRONG! People need to understand what the word 'theory' means within science.

The normal word "Theory" means that something is unproven or speculative. However, it's different when it's used within science. The word theory means an explanation or model based observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain the world and the universe. A theory must be based on rational examination of facts only. These facts can be observed, measured with an explanation of the facts given.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

WRONG! People need to understand what the word 'theory' means within science.

The normal word "Theory" means that something is unproven or speculative. However, it's different when it's used within science. The word theory means an explanation or model based observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain the world and the universe. A theory must be based on rational examination of facts only. These facts can be observed, measured with an explanation of the facts given.

No friend, a 'theory' is merely a best guess. Not a fact.

From Websters:

Definition of THEORY
1
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2
: abstract thought : speculation
3
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4
a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>
b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6
a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b : an unproved assumption : conjecture
c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
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