[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

None of you guys have actually answered my question, yet. If the Earth was flat - which it isn't - but if it was, where's the edge?

Are you trying to tell us, that the best way to prove that the Earth is a sphere is to prove the opposite? That Socratic method may work on some people, but you see, we don't have the need to prove anything. We trust the Bible.

[Tommy Lunkhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Are you trying to tell us, that the best way to prove that the Earth is a sphere is to prove the opposite? That Socratic method may work on some people, but you see, we don't have the need to prove anything. We trust the Bible.

No. I've told you all the evidence that proves the Earth is a sphere throughout this thread. You just give evidence from a book. Now, I'm trying to argue your evidence like you argue mine. If the Earth was flat, it would have a edge. Where is it? You say - "I don't need to answer this because it says in the Bible." - You're just hiding from the truth.

[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

No. I've told you all the evidence that proves the Earth is a sphere throughout this thread. You just give evidence from a book. Now, I'm trying to argue your evidence like you argue mine.

You cannot argue the evidence coming from the Bible, because it isn't "a book," it is THE Book.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

None of you guys have actually answered my question, yet. If the Earth was flat - which it isn't - but if it was, where's the edge?

A good friend of mine is a captain for Virgin Atlantic. I asked him if he has to keep aiming down to follow any curvature of the Earth. He has assured me that he flies on a level flight path wherever he goes. If the Earth was curved he would have been at the moon by now. I can assure you that he isn't.

Ecclesiastes 1:15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight:

YIC

Jack

[Tommy Lunkhead]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

You cannot argue the evidence coming from the Bible, because it isn't "a book," it is THE Book.

And yet 'this book' can't answer my question asking where the edge of the world is, if it was flat?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

And yet 'this book' can't answer my question asking where the edge of the world is, if it was flat?

Are you suggesting everything must be seen to be real? I can't see Love, but I know it's real in my heart. I can't see music, but I can let it move me. I can't see the AIDS virus, but I can watch its destruction on San Francisco and the entire cast of CATS. You cannot see Mars and yet you contend that it is bigger than a dime.

Son, your double standard for accepting evidence is embarrassing. Why don't you stop fighting it, look deep into yourself, and notice that empty feeling you have from time to time. That feeling is coming from your soul, another thing you cannot see, but know exists. It's crying out for its Creator. It's lamenting the many sins and offences against a Perfect God. Stop this "round earth" obsession, and read the Holy Bible. You'll see what I mean, all this time, everything you've been missing is right in there. You'll discover the Living Water in Jesus Christ, and you will never thirst for knowledge again (John 4:14).

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

And yet 'this book' can't answer my question asking where the edge of the world is, if it was flat?

Friend, look at your NASA artist 'representation'. Do you see the depiction of the Earth? Move out to where the dark begins. That is the edge.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Friend, look at your NASA artist 'representation'. Do you see the depiction of the Earth? Move out to where the dark begins. That is the edge.

It's a picture of the spherical Earth. It has no edge. If it was flat, it would have an edge, but you can't explain 100% where the edge is on this "flat" Earth. You've said where it is in the picture, but where can I find it in this Earth? Where do I need to travel to go to the edge? Oh, wait, I can't because the Earth isn't flat.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

It's a picture of the spherical Earth. It has no edge. If it was flat, it would have an edge, but you can't explain 100% where the edge is on this "flat" Earth. You've said where it is in the picture, but where can I find it in this Earth? Where do I need to travel to go to the edge? Oh, wait, I can't because the Earth isn't flat.

When God created the world He drew a compass on the deep, or depths i.e. on water. No doubt you claim "water seeks its own level" and should therefore understand that would be a flat surface. Then a firmament was raised to divide the waters above from the waters below so when you arrived at the "edge" of the land you'd find water. When we look at the "sky" we see the underside of the firmament which is holding up all the water. Of course God could make it any colour He liked and could change the colour any time He felt like it. My illustration will use blue.

GENESIS 1:6-9 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. KJV

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water . . . water . . . WATER . . Water . . water . . Water . . water . . Water
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Water . . . water . . . Water . . . Water . . . WATER . . . water . . . WATER . . . water

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

When God created the world He drew a compass on the deep, or depths i.e. on water. No doubt you claim "water seeks its own level" and should therefore understand that would be a flat surface. Then a firmament was raised to divide the waters above from the waters below so when you arrived at the "edge" of the land you'd find water. When we look at the "sky" we see the underside of the firmament which is holding up all the water. Of course God could make it any colour He liked and could change the colour any time He felt like it. My illustration will use blue.

It's just a simple fact, all objects of a certain mass, including water are pulled by the force of gravity which is equal at all the points on earth, that is why sea level is the same. There is so much more evidence to support the Earth isn't flat. When lunar eclipse happen, the shadow is round. Since the lunar eclipse require the Earth, Sun and Moon to be in a straight line, a shadow that is always round must mean that the part of the Earth's surface facing the sun always has be a circular outline. If the Earth were flat, the sun would be striking it from the side. You lack a sensible viewpoint of both science AND God. Your ignorance should be an almost unbearable embarrassment to you.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

It's just a simple fact, all objects of a certain mass, including water are pulled by the force of gravity which is equal at all the points on earth...

No, it's not. From http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...hp?number=465:

"...there is the variation of gravity with latitude that you alluded to: you weigh about 0.5% more at the poles than on the equator...

...gravity does indeed change with altitude. The gravitational force above the Earth's surface is proportional to 1/R^2...

...there are very small differences (on the order of 0.01% or less) in gravity due to differences in the local geology..."

...that is why sea level is the same...

No, it's not. Aside from the blatantly obvious (waves and tides), there are many factors which produce sea level variations. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level:

Periodic sea level changes
Diurnal and semidiurnal astronomical tides 12–24 h P 0.2–10+ m
Long-period tides
Rotational variations (Chandler wobble) 14 month P
Meteorological and oceanographic fluctuations
Atmospheric pressure Hours to months –0.7 to 1.3 m
Winds (storm surges) 1–5 days Up to 5 m
Evaporation and precipitation (may also follow long-term pattern) Days to weeks
Ocean surface topography (changes in water density and currents) Days to weeks Up to 1 m
El Niño/southern oscillation 6 mo every 5–10 yr Up to 0.6 m
Seasonal variations
Seasonal water balance among oceans (Atlantic, Pacific, Indian)
Seasonal variations in slope of water surface
River runoff/floods 2 months 1 m
Seasonal water density changes (temperature and salinity) 6 months 0.2 m
Seiches
Seiches (standing waves) Minutes to hours Up to 2 m
Earthquakes
Tsunamis (generate catastrophic long-period waves) Hours Up to 10 m
Abrupt change in land level Minutes Up to 10 m

...There is so much more evidence to support the Earth isn't flat. When lunar eclipse happen, the shadow is round. Since the lunar eclipse require the Earth, Sun and Moon to be in a straight line, a shadow that is always round must mean that the part of the Earth's surface facing the sun always has be a circular outline. If the Earth were flat, the sun would be striking it from the side...

Yes, if YOUR ASSUMPTION about the cause of eclipses (which I've bolded in your response above) is correct. As you have not cited any external, verifiable sources, we're just supposed to take your word for it?

...You lack a sensible viewpoint...

Poisoning the well, another fallacy.

...of both science AND God...

More unfounded and unsupported claims.

...Your ignorance should be an almost unbearable embarrassment to you.

How does yours feel to you?

[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

It's just a simple fact, all objects of a certain mass, including water are pulled by the force of gravity which is equal at all the points on earth, that is why sea level is the same. There is so much more evidence to support the Earth isn't flat. When lunar eclipse happen, the shadow is round. Since the lunar eclipse require the Earth, Sun and Moon to be in a straight line, a shadow that is always round must mean that the part of the Earth's surface facing the sun always has be a circular outline. If the Earth were flat, the sun would be striking it from the side. You lack a sensible viewpoint of both science AND God. Your ignorance should be an almost unbearable embarrassment to you.

1. Gravity is a theory, not a fact.

2. Lunar and solar eclipses are caused by God to show His anger (see e.g. Joel 3:15), not by movement of the Earth, and certainly don't prove that Earth is a sphere.

3. The light of Sun always hits Earth from a side (look at your shadow at noon: if the Sun was directly above you, you would cast no shadow).

4. You should be embarassed because you claim that your view is true, yet you have no empirical evidence.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

As you have not cited any external, verifiable sources…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse

http://www.howitworksdaily.com/space/what-is-a-lunar-eclipse/

Gravity is a theory, not a fact.

Depends. The word fact can be used in several ways.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/astronomy/science.html

Lunar and solar eclipses are caused by God to show His anger (see e.g. Joel 3:15), not by movement of the Earth, and certainly don't prove that Earth is a sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse

http://www.howitworksdaily.com/space/what-is-a-lunar-eclipse/

You should be embarassed because you claim that your view is true, yet you have no empirical evidence.

*Embarrassed*

Most things I’ve stated in this form is based on empirical evidence.

[Basilissa]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse

If you think that Wikipedia is a reliable source of information.... think again.

Depends. The word fact can be used in several ways.

I was expecting an argument that the word "theory" meant something else in science, but since you decided to go with "fact" Based on the reference that you provided, fact is something that doesn't change, something that simply IS. How is that different from the common/"unscientific" definition?

*Embarrassed*

I knew that something was wrong with this word I apologize for this misspelling.

Most things I’ve stated in this form is based on empirical evidence.

Maybe, but they were obscured by complicated terms and strange looking equations. My advice - if you want to convince people that the world is not flat, don't assume that we all went to college and have fancy degrees. And please have mercy on us feeble women, who even in highschool avoided physics at all cost

[James Hutchins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

It's a picture of the spherical Earth. It has no edge. If it was flat, it would have an edge, but you can't explain 100% where the edge is on this "flat" Earth. You've said where it is in the picture, but where can I find it in this Earth? Where do I need to travel to go to the edge? Oh, wait, I can't because the Earth isn't flat.

You really are severly retarded. I cannot possibly imagine what it must be like to walk around in such a deluded state. No doubt those around you piss on you and then you deny you are wet. Even when shown 'absoute proof' using your own 'evidence' you still deny the readily apparent.

Have you ever looked down? Ooooh feet! Do not be scared, they are not yours.