[Terrace Grey]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Friend, the Bible tells us that Jesus will watch and laugh at the sinners who rejected Him and chose their sinfulness and sinful ways instead of turning to Jesus who could have set them free from their sinfulness.

Revelation
14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

That time is comming fiend, and if you repent now, Jesus can come into your heart and save you from a depravity of sin and hell.

If you do not friend, hell will be your permanent bead and breakfast.

Mark
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.



Incidently, friend, perhaps if you were not lethardic you would search the entire forum and find the answers that you seek; the answer is Jesus.

I'M looking at YOU.

I'M the one laughing...

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I'M looking at YOU.

I'M the one laughing...

Friend, how long have you had this problem of imagining that you can see through a computer screen?

Friend, this is no laughing matter and your attempots to derail this thread have landed your words in the weeds.

Friend, is it that hard for you to stay on topic?

Friend, Jesus is the cure for a wondering mind of evil.


2 Timothy
1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Of course, you would know this if you had read the Bible.

[godpower97]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nice photoshopping those pictures, by the way. It actually looks kind of cool. To bad its a complete hoax. It's sad that you are manipulating people to believe stuff like this.

[Brother Helge]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nice photoshopping those pictures, by the way. It actually looks kind of cool. To bad its a complete hoax. It's sad that you are manipulating people to believe stuff like this.

Yeah, it's a shame. And they (NASA) even put those photo shopped pictures in books for children and call it science.

[Logical Christian]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I shall start my post now and save you all of the pain of typing out instead I will present you with 6 - 7 reasons why the earth is round if you wish to reply to each and every one of these reasons with your so called facts (I'm not saying you have to denounce god to believe the earth is round. Corners of the earth could mean anything you could count 4 large citys and consider them the corners of the earth these are quotes not actual fact presented in the bible. The end of the earth does not mean that the earth litteraly "ends" it could mean many things such as the technology they had back then did not allow them to go across the ocean so they consider that the end.

Now without further adue my facts.

Fact 1 - The Moon
Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.

Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the Earth’s, and it’s a great clue on the spherical shape of the Earth.

Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical – absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.

Fact 2 - Ships and the horizon

If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have, perhaps, noticed a very interesting phenomenon: approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather emerge from beneath the sea.

But – you say – ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in “Pirates of the Caribbean”, but we are hereby assuming that was a fictitious movie). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: it’s round.



Imagine an ant walking along the surface of an orange, into your field of view. If you look at the orange “head on”, you will see the ant’s body slowly rising up from the “horizon”, because of the curvature of the Orange. If you would do that experiment with a long road, the effect would have changed: The ant would have slowly ‘materialized’ into view, depending on how sharp your vision is.


Fact 3 - Star Constellations
Varying Star Constellations

This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.



After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted that “there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained with a round surface, and Aristotle continued and claimed that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)

The farther you go from the equator, the farther the ‘known’ constellations go towards the horizon, and are replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:



(4) Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the [sticky] ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:



But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:



Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the earth – “The Earth’s curvature is tasty!“.

Fact 4 - Shadows and sticks

Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the [sticky] ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:



But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:



Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the earth – “The Earth’s curvature is tasty!“.

[b]Part 5 - Seeing farther from higher

Standing in a flat plateau, you look ahead of you towards the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.

Then, you climb up the closest tree – the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. You then look again, strain your eyes, stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.

The higher up you are the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles, like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view, but that’s not the true reason. Even if you would have a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from greater height than you would on the ground.

This phenomena is caused by the curvature of the Earth.

Ride a plane

If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-destination trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:

Planes can travel in a relatively straight line a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also, theoretically (and some do, though with stops along the way), circle the earth.
Correction (Courtesy of Klaynos, from scienceforums.net): Apparently, planes can circle the Earth without stopping!
If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the earth in the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait seeing the pictures from the new plane by “Virgin Galactic” – the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.
(A picture of the curved horizon from a Concorde plane can be seen here).

[Nobar King]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Thanks for giving me eye cancer with your center justified effort to disprove the Holy Bible which praise Jesus wasn't written by you.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I shall start my post now and save you all of the pain of typing out instead I will present you with 6 - 7 reasons why the earth is round if you wish to reply to each and every one of these reasons with your so called facts (I'm not saying you have to denounce god to believe the earth is round. Corners of the earth could mean anything you could count 4 large citys and consider them the corners of the earth these are quotes not actual fact presented in the bible. The end of the earth does not mean that the earth litteraly "ends" it could mean many things such as the technology they had back then did not allow them to go across the ocean so they consider that the end.

Now without further adue my facts.

Fact 1 - The Moon
Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.

Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the Earth’s, and it’s a great clue on the spherical shape of the Earth.

Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical – absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.

Fact 2 - Ships and the horizon

If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have, perhaps, noticed a very interesting phenomenon: approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather emerge from beneath the sea.

But – you say – ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in “Pirates of the Caribbean”, but we are hereby assuming that was a authentic movie). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: it’s round.



Imagine an ant walking along the surface of an orange, into your field of view. If you look at the orange “head on”, you will see the ant’s body slowly rising up from the “horizon”, because of the curvature of the Orange. If you would do that experiment with a long road, the effect would have changed: The ant would have slowly ‘materialized’ into view, depending on how sharp your vision is.


Fact 3 - Star Constellations
Varying Star Constellations

This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.



After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted that “there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained with a round surface, and Aristotle continued and claimed that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)

The farther you go from the equator, the farther the ‘known’ constellations go towards the horizon, and are replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:



(4) Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the [sticky] ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:



But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:



Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the earth – “The Earth’s curvature is tasty!“.

Fact 4 - Shadows and sticks

Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the [sticky] ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:



But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:



Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the earth – “The Earth’s curvature is tasty!“.

[b]Part 5 - Seeing farther from higher

Standing in a flat plateau, you look ahead of you towards the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.

Then, you climb up the closest tree – the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. You then look again, strain your eyes, stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.

The higher up you are the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles, like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view, but that’s not the true reason. Even if you would have a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from greater height than you would on the ground.

This phenomena is caused by the curvature of the Earth.

Ride a plane

If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-destination trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:

Planes can travel in a relatively straight line a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also, theoretically (and some do, though with stops along the way), circle the earth.
Correction (Courtesy of Klaynos, from scienceforums.net): Apparently, planes can circle the Earth without stopping!
If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the earth in the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait seeing the pictures from the new plane by “Virgin Galactic” – the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.
(A picture of the curved horizon from a Concorde plane can be seen here).

Why do you hate God?

[Logical Christian]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Why do you hate God?

Nevermind I reread your thread it opened my eyes to the truth in the world. Sorry for being a satan gay homosexual devil worshipper.

I hope I can be forgiven,

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Nevermind I reread your thread it opened my eyes to the truth in the world. Sorry for being a satan gay homosexual devil worshipper.

I hope I can be forgiven,

If you repent of your false logic, and turn to Jesus in sincere repentance, and then obey every one of God's Commands, yes, it is certainly possible.

Have you read the Bible, friend?

I was once like you. When I was a teenager, I had all kinds of ideas put in my head by false Christian pastors. They lied about who God is; about what to do to get to Heaven; about whom God loves.

Finally, I decided to read the Bible. And you know, by the time I finished just the first book--Genesis--I had a whole new understanding of our Lord!

By the time I finished the whole Bible, I no longer wondered who God was, and never again worried about what might happen to me when I died.

If you read the Bible with an open mind, friend, I promise you will love Jesus just as much as I do, and your faith will be as strong as mine! You will in fact find yourself unable to sin!

That's right. True Christians™ cannot sin. You see, we understand that "sin" is disobeying God; as True Christians™, we cannot disobey God, and therefore cannot sin!

There are a couple of resources in my signature, if sitting down with the Bible seems a bit daunting. Bible in a Year is right here on this forum, where you can join Landover's best theologians in Bible study. Real Bible Stories is a website where you get to listen in on a Sunday School class where the teenagers ask lots of tough questions about each Bible story!

I'm certain these resources will help you grow in your faith until it equals that of any True Christian™, if you study diligently and with an open mind.

Once you know the Truth, the real Good News, you will want everyone to know!

[BibleBeliever1611]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

So, if I understand this threat properly, this threat is supposed to prove that the earth is flat, with scientific proof to that effect. Photographs were posted to prove this, but these photos do not fit at all the Biblical picture of the earth.

God's word says that the earth has been laid on a foundation (Psalm 102:25), and it even has a cornerstone (Job 38:6). The earth with its foundations is laid above the waters (Psalm 24:3; 136:6). These waters are bounded by doors and bars (Job 38:8-10). These waters are under the earth too, since God broke up the fountains of the deep to allow water to come to the surface of the earth at the beginning of the flood (Gen. 7:11). Above the earth is a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6; Psalm 19:1), which is like a curtain or a tent (Isaiah 44:22), and inside this tent is where you can find the sun (Ps 19:4). Above the firmament are waters (Gen 1:6). In this solid firmament there are doors (Psalm 78:23) to allow rain and clouds to enter. This solid firmament is suspended over the earth and held in place by pillars (Job 26:11; Psalm 75:3). The Bible clearly describes the earth created by God as a giant building, and heaven is the place of God's "upper chambers" (Psalm 104:3) above the solid firmament of the earth in the upper waters.

The "photos" posted early in this thread do not look anything like the description in Scripture. It looks like water running off a cliff without walls or doors, and no pillars holding up a solid firmament sky. These "photos" must be fake. In fact, a few of them look like paintings. I wonder why it is that Bible-believing Christians only take parts of the Bible literally. Even those who believe the Bible teaches the earth to be flat do not take seriously the many other descriptions of the world as a giant building.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

So, if I understand this threat properly, this threat is supposed to prove that the earth is flat, with scientific proof to that effect. Photographs were posted to prove this, but these photos do not fit at all the Biblical picture of the earth.

God's word says that the earth has been laid on a foundation (Psalm 102:25), and it even has a cornerstone (Job 38:6). The earth with its foundations is laid above the waters (Psalm 24:3; 136:6). These waters are bounded by doors and bars (Job 38:8-10). These waters are under the earth too, since God broke up the fountains of the deep to allow water to come to the surface of the earth at the beginning of the flood (Gen. 7:11). Above the earth is a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6; Psalm 19:1), which is like a curtain or a tent (Isaiah 44:22), and inside this tent is where you can find the sun (Ps 19:4). Above the firmament are waters (Gen 1:6). In this solid firmament there are doors (Psalm 78:23) to allow rain and clouds to enter. This solid firmament is suspended over the earth and held in place by pillars (Job 26:11; Psalm 75:3). The Bible clearly describes the earth created by God as a giant building, and heaven is the place of God's "upper chambers" (Psalm 104:3) above the solid firmament of the earth in the upper waters.

The "photos" posted early in this thread do not look anything like the description in Scripture. It looks like water running off a cliff without walls or doors, and no pillars holding up a solid firmament sky. These "photos" must be fake. In fact, a few of them look like paintings. I wonder why it is that Bible-believing Christians only take parts of the Bible literally. Even those who believe the Bible teaches the earth to be flat do not take seriously the many other descriptions of the world as a giant building.

Really in some ways this thread is unnecessary.proving the word of God true is like proving we breathe air. Yet secularists seem to demand it. So when corroborating evidence is put before them by respected elders do they accept it and move on? No they do not.

It's all questioning this and undermining that.

Then we get on to the scripture twisters. Guess which one you are.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

So, if I understand this threat properly, this threat is supposed to prove that the earth is flat, with scientific proof to that effect. Photographs were posted to prove this, but these photos do not fit at all the Biblical picture of the earth.

God's word says that the earth has been laid on a foundation (Psalm 102:25), and it even has a cornerstone (Job 38:6). The earth with its foundations is laid above the waters (Psalm 24:3; 136:6). These waters are bounded by doors and bars (Job 38:8-10). These waters are under the earth too, since God broke up the fountains of the deep to allow water to come to the surface of the earth at the beginning of the flood (Gen. 7:11). Above the earth is a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6; Psalm 19:1), which is like a curtain or a tent (Isaiah 44:22), and inside this tent is where you can find the sun (Ps 19:4). Above the firmament are waters (Gen 1:6). In this solid firmament there are doors (Psalm 78:23) to allow rain and clouds to enter. This solid firmament is suspended over the earth and held in place by pillars (Job 26:11; Psalm 75:3). The Bible clearly describes the earth created by God as a giant building, and heaven is the place of God's "upper chambers" (Psalm 104:3) above the solid firmament of the earth in the upper waters.

The "photos" posted early in this thread do not look anything like the description in Scripture. It looks like water running off a cliff without walls or doors, and no pillars holding up a solid firmament sky. These "photos" must be fake. In fact, a few of them look like paintings. I wonder why it is that Bible-believing Christians only take parts of the Bible literally. Even those who believe the Bible teaches the earth to be flat do not take seriously the many other descriptions of the world as a giant building.

Friend, you read 1 post post, 1. I suggest that you stop bending the scripture to what you want it to say, and stop cherry=picking it as you just did.

And I also suggest that you read the entire thread, all of the answers you may have have been answered in the thread.

I know that bursts your bubble but your cherry-picking is not original.

Now, get to reading, or see your way to the door.

[BibleBeliever1611]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Friend, you read 1 post post, 1. I suggest that you stop bending the scripture to what you want it to say, and stop cherry=picking it as you just did.

And I also suggest that you read the entire thread, all of the answers you may have have been answered in the thread.

I know that bursts your bubble but your cherry-picking is not original.

Now, get to reading, or see your way to the door.

Just so you know, I've never picked a cherry in my entire life--I prefer my cherries from a store. Also, I didn't have any bubble to burst. I stopped blowing bubbles when I was a kid.

I did read the thread, a lot of it anyway. It was so enlightening in so many ways. When I was reading the thread, I was hoping to see my way to the door--the doors on the edges of the earth. But the photos do not show them to be there. So I was using the Bible to show you and everyone else here the way to the door. It's right there in the Bible. Do you believe the Bible or just what you want the Bible to say?

[BibleBeliever1611]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Really in some ways this thread is unnecessary.proving the word of God true is like proving we breathe air. Yet secularists seem to demand it. So when corroborating evidence is put before them by respected elders do they accept it and move on? No they do not.

It's all questioning this and undermining that.

Then we get on to the scripture twisters. Guess which one you are.

A grammar lesson or two may help you be more clear here, but you appear to be saying that there are two kinds of people: 1) those that question and undermine and 2) those that twist scripture. Since those are the only two kinds of people you allow to exist, which one are you?

I, on the other hand, believe there are lots of different kinds of people, and I happen to be one that believes the Bible. Do you believe the Bible or just what you want the Bible to say?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I, on the other hand, believe there are lots of different kinds of people

There are only 2 kinds of people. Those who follow the Holy Bible for 100% and go to Heaven and those who go to Hell.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

, and I happen to be one that believes the Bible. Do you believe the Bible or just what you want the Bible to say?

The Bible is to be taken 100% literary. No exceptions.