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  • Watermelon
    Unsaved trash, Mudslime Terrorist
    Under Investigation
    • May 2010
    • 12

    #1

    God's Ratio

    Over and over in nature, in both the living and the nonliving realms, a particular number comes up again and again. Why? This number, known as the "Golden Ratio" is related to a mathematical series and a certain spiral shape that is found in nature in surprising ways. The following will explain the mathematical background about the number and briefly mention some examples of it in God's creation. The famous astronomer, Johannes Kepler, who said that scientists were "thinking God's thoughts after him" called this special number the Divine Proportion. The Golden Ratio is the number (1 + sqr[5] ) /2 . "sqr[5]" means the square root of 5. As a decimal, it is 1.61803... to five places. Try punching this out on a calculator, and then punch out the inverse, 2 / ( 1 + sqr[5] ) and you will get the same decimal, but without the "1", 0.61803. This is true to any number of decimal places! This is the only number with this property. It is sometimes written with the greek letter phi. Another way to write it is the following:
    phi - 1 = 1/phi
    This number phi is the solution to the equation (using ^ to indicate an exponent)
    x^2 - x - 1 = 0

    Also,this number is related to the way the diagonals of a regular pentagon divide each other. In the regular pentagon shown here, notice that diagonal EC is emphasized with a dashed bold segment and a solid bold segment. If you take the length of EF and divide by the length of FC, you get the Golden Ratio.
    If you make a rectangle whose length to width ratio is this same number, it is called the Golden Rectangle. It was used by the Greeks to make an especially "pleasing proportion" in constructing things. You can take a Golden Rectangle, divide it into smaller rectangles that are also Golden Rectangles, and in the rectangle you will have a sort of sequence of squares that get smaller and smaller in a spiral. You can then connect the centers of these squares and you get a spiral curve. This is illustrated below. In the rectangle on the left, AB divided by BC gives the 1.618... ratio and so does AD over DC. The spiral shown in the rectangle on the right is known as the logarithmic spiral and it occurs in many ways in nature. Why should this form of curve, related to the ratio and the series, recur over and over in so many unrelated phenomena in nature? It is logical that it shows the deliberate work of a Creator-God.

    This spiral curve is the shape of a very wide variety of things in nature in both the living and the nonliving realms. The most well known example is the shell of the chambered nautilus. The Divine Proportion book relates this Golden Ratio to such things as the possible histories of energy level transitions of an electron in a hydrogen atom, the breeding of rabbits, the tendancy in some plants for the leaves to arrange in a helix, and the double spiral pattern in the florets of a sunflower plant. (The pattern is not perfect probably in many sunflowers, but if you had a very good specimen it would form superposed right and left handed spirals.) This double spiral pattern on the Sunflower is interesting. The seeds grow into the head of the Sunflower along these opposing spirals, so that the seeds are always equidistant from each other. This arrangement is also said to allow for the best use of the surface area, maximizing the number of seeds on the curved surface. The tendancy of leaves on plants to follow the spiral makes for efficency in gathering both light and water. Of course, by natural processes alone, these relationships would be merely accidental mutations, with some help from natural selection.
    Furthermore, the Golden Ratio is related to the Fibonacci series. This series is familiar to anyone with a fair amount of math background. It is the following series, where each number is the sum of the previous two numbers. Below is one example of the series.
    0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, . . . 144, 233, . . .
    You can also pick any two whole numbers at random, add them together, and start a Fibonacci series that way. For example,
    5, 12, 17, 29, 46, 75, 121 . . .
    -4, 1, -3, -2, -5, -7, -12, -19, -31, -50 . . .
    Taking ratios of successive terms from this series will approach the Golden Ratio, in the limit. So, if you take a calculator, in the first example, divide 34 by 21 and then divide 233 by 144 you will see that the ratio approaches the decimal given above. The same is true for the other two examples.
    An interesting example of the Fibonacci series in nature is regarding bees. Some unique facts about Bees are that males are produced by the queen's unfertilized eggs, so they have only a mother, no father. The females, however, have both a father and a mother. Start by imagining one male worker bee, then figure out how many parents, how many grand-parents and how many great-grand-parents he would have. Working this out you can show that the number of bees of each generation follow a Fibonacci series exactly, both for males and females. No this is not the twilight zone, this is the intellegent arranging God has done in the real world.
    The Golden ratio and the Fibonacci series in nature are great arguments for intelligent design in nature. This is just a brief start into the subject. In three dimensional geometry, the five regular "Platonic Solids," the tetrahedron, hexahedron, octahedron, icosahedron, and dodecahedron relate to the golden ratio in a manner similar to the pentagon shown above. For these solids, the diagonal planes are guess what? Golden Rectanges. There is much more in terms of unique mathematical properties of phi, relationships to musical octaves, and other examples in nature. Sir James Jeans is well known for saying "God is a mathematician." This subject argues for God's existence and his intelligent arrangement of nature to fit a pattern, and at the same time creating us in such a way as to be pleased by it! It argues for an absolute basis for beauty, that beauty is not all only in the mind of the human beholder. A strictly naturalistic thinker has trouble explaining beauty and this kind of order built into things. According to naturalistic evolution, all characteristics should give an organism some kind of survival advantage or an advantage in reproduction. But many beautiful aspects of living things have nothing to do with survival or reproduction. The beauty, symmetry, and order in nature shows the greatness of the God who made it all!
    Wayne Spencer
    Some sources:
    "The Divine Proportion" by H. E. Huntley, from Dover Publications.


    Taken from http://creationanswers.net/inteldesign/GODRATIO.HTM

    I wonder what the lying, scheming atheist "scientists" have to say to this.
    Mark 9:47 "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire"
  • Ezekiel Bathfire
    Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
    Christ's Rottweiler
     
    • Jan 2008
    • 22887

    #2
    Re: God's Ratio

    Whereas I am usually interested in the furtherance of Scripture and an appreciation of God, this “Golden Ratio” leaves me a little wary. It seems too akin to delving into mysteries that we do not need to know; things that fill up the brain and take the space therein that more Godly knowledge could occupy.

    I remember one of our more lucid poster called Chip Kumquat who was “into numbers”. I never saw him write anything in which I could decipher an error. (I think he has now gone off to study space travel.)

    I do believe it were he who suggested “God is of whole numbers.” It makes a lot of sense really. Take for example “Pi = 3”

    1Ki:7:23: And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

    I cannot recall either Chip or God bothering with decimal places or ‘reciprocals’ (neither term appears in the Bible.)

    God has favourite numbers:
    7 – from days of creation to a scarlet colored beast with seven heads (Rev:13:1) The number 7 appears 376 times;

    12 - The number of tribes of Israel and the number of Jesus’ apostles. 12 appears 109 times

    40 - The Flood of Noah lasted for forty days and Jesus spent forty days on earth after the resurrection. 40 appears on its own 145 times.

    If we add these numbers of numbers , we get 630. If we then divide that by 7 (one of the numbers) we have 90.

    If we subtract 40 (one of the numbers) from 90, we have 50.

    And what is 50 if it is not (7 x 7) +1… the 1 being God?
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    Author of such illuminating essays as,
    Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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    • Logan
      Forum Member
      Forum Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 220

      #3
      Re: God's Ratio

      I believe this was discovered by the evil mathematicians that call it "PHI" (French for "Girl", but misspelled), but us English Christians knew its true nature well before they did (as always).

      God uses it as a ruler of sort, to tell you how much he loves you. If our Lord blessed you with perfect proportions, then you are truly loved. Generaly athiests or people of other false religions have misshapen figures that do not conform to this ratio, simply because they are too stupid to see the errors in their ways.

      Ever wonder why all the True Christians are so handsome/beautiful? Now you know.
      God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.
      -Psalms 7:11
      Fact: Only Flaming Homos Use Macs

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      • Capt. Aaron Portway
        One of the Lord's Airborne Rangers
        Salvation from Above
        God's Favorite Pilot™
        True Christian™
        • Sep 2008
        • 6309

        #4
        Re: God's Ratio

        Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
        TL;DR
        That had a lot of sciency looking diagrams so I figured I'd better be safe than sorry so I only skimmed it. Also, you're a new poster and I don't know if you can be trusted yet.

        Like alcohol, numbers are fine, in moderation. Focusing too much on math can lead to science, which is against God. Higher math is a gateway study, just like marihuana is a gateway drug. I don't know a single True Christian™ who understands calculus, and that's the way I want to keep it! Praise!
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        • Cranky Old Man
          Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
          You kids get off his lawn!
           
          • Jan 2010
          • 22373

          #5
          Re: God's Ratio

          Ever since George W. Bush warned us for fuzzy math I gave up on these things.
          5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
          To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
          James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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