[Mistress Cookie]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sorry. mt. I meant to say it's weight* is less. Giving it no added force.

If I may say, this sounds like typical SICKular "science" backpedaling, to me.

But I am glad to see you can apologize when proven wrong.
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[MisterM]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sorry. mt. I meant to say it's weight* is less. Giving it no added force.

Even in secular science standards this is so wrong... Did you go to school for "special people" or what? Hint..Air has a mass.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

We do not allow people, especially unsaved secular trash, to post their private email addresses on our forums.

There are just too many cyberstalkers and internet sex perverts out there.

Stay away from our children!

Thank you, thank you very much for noticing immoral intents of sickular trash, brother! It is safe to say he is as well debaucherous pervert and drug dealer as all liebruls! Let me point out his sublime innuendos and dishonest ways he twists words of Rev. Jim Osborne:

Test 2, Blow:... /snip/

Test 3, Get High:... /snip/

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sorry. mt. I meant to say it's weight* is less. Giving it no added force.

I can see this guy moving to the 'Atheists who know nothing about secular science' thread.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

How the heck would blowing up a balloon make it lighter? A deflated and inflated balloon (by themselves) both have the same mass and weight, but different shape. But, even your secular scientists will admit air has mass and weight. So please, explain this mathematical formula which you seem to think is correct...

balloon (x amount of mass) > balloon (x) + air (y amount of mass)

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

blurred photons

For someone who claims to know a lot about physics you make a lot of mistakes. A photon is an elementary particle. Photons can not get "blurred". Whoever educated you should be fired from the job and start cleaning my Hummer instead as it collected a lot of dirt lately.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Sorry. mt. I meant to say it's weight* is less. Giving it no added force.

There is so much wrong with this post that I'm forced to conclude that you are the product of a public school education.

Pity.

YiC,

Z. Smyth
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[Alvin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sigh...

Okay, so when debating this topic there is so much to look at so I'll break it down test by test. You cannot be so blind as to follow, the reason we can use tools such as this web forum that collects data on a TCP/IP based network protocol web outside clients deliver and request information is because people questioned and challenged the established order of the world.

You claim:

"You cannot be so blind as to follow..."

On the contrary! I follow Sweet Baby Jesus with blind faith. Everyone can follow someone while also looking where they are going. But the test of a True Christian, which I hope to become one day, is that they follow the words of the LORD as revealed in the KJV 1611 of the Bible.

Remember Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of Scientisticians? He was justly ridiculed in front of the other apostles for wanting to see proof that it was Jesus.

Jesus made it clear that those who followed blindly were are blessed.

John 20:26-29
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
[27] Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

"the reason we can use tools such as this web forum that collects data on a TCP/IP based network protocol web outside clients deliver and request information is because people questioned and challenged the established order of the world."

Well - you seem to be unable to make up your mind as to whether TCP/IP is a network, a protocol or a web, I shouldn't be surprised. Unlike the stories you have been told by leftists about socialist Al "I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore, the Internet was given to us by Godly Republican Scientists placing their faith in the Bible and working with Godly Republican (defense) research grants in order to spread God's Word around the globe and save precious souls.

Do you realize that the bible clearly states that God has a veto in attempts to simplify communication protocols that might improve collaboration among humans? It is only through the daily grace of GOD that TCP/IP works at all? I'm sure you recall the last time fallible humans tried to have a unified communication protocol - it's right there in Genesis:

Genesis 11:1-9
[1] And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
[2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
[3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
[4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
[5] And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[6] And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[8] So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

And why does TCP/IP work? Because it is a humble best-effort protocol, not a pretentious middleware messaging system. TCP/IP is basically the worldly implementation of the proven prayer-protocol: You send off the IP package in the general direction of where you THINK it should go - having no physical proof of the actual existence of the destination IP address or its routability, so TCP/IP sends packets based on blind faith - and simply pray someone is actually listening at the other end.

And just like any apparent contradictions of scripture miraculously disappear when you put them in context, so any apparently indecipherable individual IP packets suddenly and miraculously make sense once you reassemble them in the right order.

GLORY!

GOD allows TCP/IP to work because it is an unpretentious implementation of prayer.

But this part is where you go totally off the reservation:

"because people questioned and challenged the established order of the world."

Since when has insubordination ever led to anything good? The new testament clearly tells us to submit to, not question, the established order of the world:

Romans 13:1-5
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

You have been severely misguided by scientisticians into thinking that you have a free will to resist power and doubt blind faith. Close your eyes and come back to Sweet Baby Jesus - he misses you!



YiC,

Alvin

[drTarzan]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Ok, I'll go part by part.

1) Jump![/B]
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move.

If you are on the flat bed of a truck going at 75 mph standing, and you jump, you DON'T fall off. That's because if you are standing on that flatbed, then you are also moving at 75 mph. The same applies if the truck suddenly brakes, you will keep moving at 75, crashing against the body of the truck. The same goes for the earth, you are standing here, moving at the same relative speed as the earth rotates, you jump and keep moving at that speed. Movement is relative. I seriously don't recommend jumping on a 75mph moving truck, though. Try something smaller, say throwing a ball up inside a bus, the ball will move up and down as if you were on the ground, loosing only a slight part of it's horizontal speed while on the air.

As a matter of fact, planes that exceed the speed of sound have to take into account the earth's rotation to calculate the fuel needed to get to their destiny.

2) Blow!
Since if the Earth is supposedly a sphere, it naturally comes to assume what would happen to people below the equator, like in Australia? Since they are underneath the sphere, wouldn't they fall off? This is where scientists come up with mumbo-jumbo like "gravity" and "centrifugal force" to explain away their theories. So, the scientists want you to think that because the earth is so much more massive than people or things, that people will naturally "stick" to the bottom of the earth because of gravity.

This can be disproved very simply. Get a balloon and inflate it as big as possible. It will be a spherical shape. Now, take a piece of paper and try to rip, tear, or cut the tiniest speck of paper possible. This paper represents a human being, much smaller in mass to the balloon, which represents the Earth. Now try and place the small piece of paper to the underside of the balloon. What happens? It falls off!

That's right. Even though the balloon is so much bigger in mass, it cannot hold the tiny paper. So if the Earth was a sphere, no one could live below the equator because they would fall off.

They are "underneath" from your perspective. Gravity is what holds us to the ground. If you cared to read about this "mumbo-jumbo like gravity and centrifugal force", you would know that gravity is a force so faint, that it just doesn't show at a human scale.

Let me break it down to maths for ya. The formula for gravitational force is given by:
F= -((M1·M2)·G)/r^2 where M1 and M2 stand for two body's masses, G is the gravitation constant, and r is the distance between objects. There is a "-" sign there, because for all we know gravity always seems to be an attractive force. Every unit must be expressed in the international system of units.

So, you say take a ballon, right? Let's suppose, for this matter, that you have a pretty heavy balloon, so you can blow it up really really big. Let's suppose that the balloon, weights a total of 2 grams , give or take some miligrams. Now, for the paper. Let's suppose you have a really precise cutting tool, and you cut a 60 g/m^2 paper up until you have a piece measuring 1cm^2. That's 0,006 grams (0,000006 kilograms) for 1 square centimeter. r is the distance between the center of masses of the balloon to the center of masses of the paper. Let's say the balloon has been blown up to a radius of 15cm (0,15metres), and it's perfectly round, so r is exactly 15 cm. G=6,67·10^-11N/(m·kg)^2

Now, let's calculate the force that the balloon exerts over the piece of paper:

F=-G · 0,000006 · 0,002 / (0,15)^2 = -0,3557*10^-16 Newtons of force. That is such a feble force, that the only thing that should surprise you is if the paper stuck into the balloon because of electrostatics.

The balloon is so much "bigger in mass", yes, although what I think you meant was in volume, which is bigger too. But the masses simply don't gather up enough force between them. If you could try with dust particles though, I think they would stick, but I'm too lazy to write up other calculus about it, do it yourself.

3) Get High!
Ok, this one you really can't do at home, but you can do it out in the world. Stand on the ground and look around you. What's the farthest you can see? Maybe it's a building, tree, or mountain. Now, find some place very close to it where you can get a much higher vantage point. (This also works if you're on a jet and about to take off.) Notice how in the higher place you can see much farther? You can see more of the world the higher you get. This shows the world is flat because the higher you go, the easier it is to see over obstacles. At the same time, it shows the world cannot be spherical. Because if the world was curved, the far distance would forever remain out of view because of the Earth's curvature. It would eternally be over the horizon.

If the Earth was a sphere, it would not matter how high you went, you would still see the same thing. Since this is not the case, the Earth is flat.


These experiments are all confirmed by creation scientists as being 100% accurate. If you're skeptical of the flat Earth, why don't you do these experiments so you can see truth with your own eyes.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

Yeah, this also happens to be the case with a sphere. The higher up you get, the more you see, until you see the entire half of the sphere. The earth's radius is so big, you cannot prove this going up your house or a walking distance mountain. If you had ever been to the alps though, you could've seen some curvature of the earth though. It's curved, just not on a human scale visible view.

Also, one of your reverends has already been up there and has confirmed that indeed, the earth is a sphere: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=62030

[drTarzan]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Please tell me you are kidding.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth
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It's called mass density, and you fill the balloon with air. Air's density is about 1.2041 kg/m^3. The difference is that as you fill up the balloon, you increase the distance at which you can put the piece of paper, making the force decrease very, VERY fast.

Even in secular science standards this is so wrong... Did you go to school for "special people" or what? Hint..Air has a mass.

Hint... unless you are breathing out a 10kg/mm^3 air, the extra mass of air is about 0,12041g/ cubic decimeter. That's a really, really little amount of mass per unit of space, so little that the fact that when the distance increases, the force decreases by a power of 2, then you are better off with an unblown balloon.

And in fact, a blown up ballon actually FEELS lighter, because the point where you excert a force to hold it is very far away from it's center of mass.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

It's called mass density, and you fill the balloon with air. Air's density is about 1.2041 kg/m^3. The difference is that as you fill up the balloon, you increase the distance at which you can put the piece of paper, making the force decrease very, VERY fast.





Hint... unless you are breathing out a 10kg/mm^3 air, the extra mass of air is about 0,12041g/ cubic decimeter. That's a really, really little amount of mass per unit of space, so little that the fact that when the distance increases, the force decreases by a power of 2, then you are better off with an unblown balloon.

And in fact, a blown up ballon actually FEELS lighter, because the point where you excert a force to hold it is very far away from it's center of mass.

Going back to the original quote, there is no mention of "mass density" whatsoever.

"First off, filling a balloon with AIR makes its overall mass literally LIGHTER!

(emphasis mine)

If you are going to come in here and try to defend a fellow hellbound Jesus-hating atheist, at least have the decency to be intellectually honest.

(Proverbs 19:1) "Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[drTarzan]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Going back to the original quote, there is no mention of "mass density" whatsoever.



(emphasis mine)

If you are going to come in here and try to defend a fellow hellbound Jesus-hating atheist, at least have the decency to be intellectually honest.

(Proverbs 19:1) "Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Intellectually honest? Can you explain just what on earth does that mean? And where does it say on his post that he hates Jesus? Are you putting words on his mouth?
Also, would you care to take on my very, very large post describing how the OP is wrong?

[IreneR]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

As I spend a lot of time with teachers (I am such myself), I can tell you what scientists would say about it. The first one will be explained, because you are part of the planet's so-called 'magnetic field'. As would the second question, which however also needs another aspect to be taken into consideration. The paper falls to the ground, because the earth is having a remarkably higher mass than the balloon. Its magnetic field will drag the paper to the ground. The third question they'd answer by saying something like 'the eyesight of people can't go on forever.' Naturally that does not make the least sense, since I do believe Detroit is not as far away as the stars, which I easily can see.

Of course, anyone who have read the Bible knows, that it is complete rubbish. Those points of views are stated by NASA, put in the hands of the Liberal government. It is all one big conspiracy, to make people like us good, believing people look stupid in so-called sensible eyes. Oh yeah? Well, we'll see who will laugh best when they're promptly dismissed at the gates of Heaven.

[Didymus Much]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

As I spend a lot of time with teachers (I am such myself)...because the earth is having a remarkably higher mass than the balloon. Its magnetic field will drag the paper to the ground...

How many innocent children have you foisted your scientific ignorance on?

...Of course, anyone who have read the Bible knows, that it is complete rubbish. Those points of views are stated by NASA, put in the hands of the Liberal government.

Uh, wut?

Seriously. What do those sentences mean?

It is all one big conspiracy, to make people like us good, believing people look stupid in so-called sensible eyes.

Hint: there is no conspiracy.

As for using Yahweh as a moral standard:

Oh yeah? Well, we'll see who will laugh best when they're promptly dismissed at the gates of Heaven.

Any Forum Members wanna tear into that one?

[Liam the ex-drunk]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

As a matter of fact, planes that exceed the speed of sound have to take into account the earth's rotation to calculate the fuel needed to get to their destiny.

I knew it - you're a sorcerer. Trying to pass off sorcery as fact. I hope you enjoy hell. I would pray for you but those type of statements put you beyond redemption.