[BYTHEPOWEROFGAWD]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

THE ANCIENT GREEKS knew the Earth was spherical. We've known the Earth was spherical since about several hundred years before Jesus lived. Why?

1.) When the sun is behind the Earth and the moon in front of the Earth, Earth makes a curved shadow on the moon, no matter what side of the Earth the moon is facing. If the Earth were flat, then it would make no shadow on the moon when the moon was above the horizon, much less a noticeably curved one. In other words, the moon would not have phases. It would not appear to be different shapes at different times.

2.) You can see different stars from different places on Earth, even when these observations are made at the exact same time. If the Earth were flat, you would see the same stars no matter where you were on Earth.

3.) Ships appear to sink as they sail farther and farther away from the observer. Why? Is it because all ships do, in fact, sink the farther they sail? Of course not. This would be alarming. No, it's because the Earth is curved, so the farther an object is away from you, the farther down it appears to be, since the Earth curves downward away from you. This is what is meant by "horizon." At some point, even with superhuman vision (you can try this using a telescope, if you want) you reach a point where you can't see farther along the Earth, simply because light does not bend around the curvature of the Earth, so you can only see things that are linearly in front of your eyes and your range of vision. If the Earth were flat, ships would not appear to sink as they got farther and farther away from you. They would appear to get smaller, but they would not appear to sink. There would also be no point at which it is impossible to see further along the Earth. The experiment here would be to use a high-powered telescope to observe an expanse where there are no mountains or anything blocking your field of vision. If you did this, you'd be able to see a point past which nothing can be seen, even though things at that point aren't simply so small that you can't see them. This can also be observed simply by studying photos of Earth taken from space. There comes a point when you can't see anything farther than the horizon, not because things become so small you can't detect them with your eyes, but because the Earth curves out of your field of vision.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

THE ANCIENT GREEKS knew the Earth was spherical. We've known the Earth was spherical since about several hundred years before Jesus lived. Why?

1.) When the sun is behind the Earth and the moon in front of the Earth, Earth makes a curved shadow on the moon, no matter what side of the Earth the moon is facing. If the Earth were flat, then it would make no shadow on the moon when the moon was above the horizon, much less a noticeably curved one. In other words, the moon would not have phases. It would not appear to be different shapes at different times.

2.) You can see different stars from different places on Earth, even when these observations are made at the exact same time. If the Earth were flat, you would see the same stars no matter where you were on Earth.

3.) Ships appear to sink as they sail farther and farther away from the observer. Why? Is it because all ships do, in fact, sink the farther they sail? Of course not. This would be alarming. No, it's because the Earth is curved, so the farther an object is away from you, the farther down it appears to be, since the Earth curves downward away from you. This is what is meant by "horizon." At some point, even with superhuman vision (you can try this using a telescope, if you want) you reach a point where you can't see farther along the Earth, simply because light does not bend around the curvature of the Earth, so you can only see things that are linearly in front of your eyes and your range of vision. If the Earth were flat, ships would not appear to sink as they got farther and farther away from you. They would appear to get smaller, but they would not appear to sink. There would also be no point at which it is impossible to see further along the Earth. The experiment here would be to use a high-powered telescope to observe an expanse where there are no mountains or anything blocking your field of vision. If you did this, you'd be able to see a point past which nothing can be seen, even though things at that point aren't simply so small that you can't see them. This can also be observed simply by studying photos of Earth taken from space. There comes a point when you can't see anything farther than the horizon, not because things become so small you can't detect them with your eyes, but because the Earth curves out of your field of vision.

*yawn*

All the things you have mentioned have been brought up before by atheists and swiftly BUSTED. Please read through the ENTIRE thread and you will see for yourself.

Also, do you make a habit of just bounding into a place, uninvited and not introducing yourself?

Please make an introduction in the Introduction Forum.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[wowwww]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

alright holy people.

1) Jump. OBVIOSULY WHEN YOU JUMP YOURE GOING TO FALL BACK DOWN IN THE SAME SPOT. the earth spins with a constant velocity and SINCE WE LIVE ON EARTH we also have the same velocity, meaning we are moving at the same speed earth is moving so when we jump we land in the same spot....

2) Blow. This one actually made me feel stupid to share the human race.. a baloon does not have a hollow mass core meaning nothing to conteract gravity. SO OBVIOUSLY THE PEICE OF PAPER FALLS because gravity is stronger than the gravitation of the baloon.

3) Get High. Ever consider when people go so high up that they are in space they can literally go around the earth in a circle....

4) the earth is round...accept the fact

[BYTHEPOWEROFGAWD]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

*yawn*

All the things you have mentioned have been brought up before by atheists and swiftly BUSTED. Please read through the ENTIRE thread and you will see for yourself.

Also, do you make a habit of just bounding into a place, uninvited and not introducing yourself?

Please make an introduction in the Introduction Forum.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

I did, if you'll observe, introduce myself. Moments after I posted here.

Kindly reiterate or quote the post where these arguments are "BUSTED." I'd love to refute it.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

THE ANCIENT GREEKS knew the Earth was spherical. We've known the Earth was spherical since about several hundred years before Jesus lived. Why?

They did?

Because from what I've read of ancient Greeks, their beliefs were all over the place. Sure some may have believed in a spherical earth, with the Universe circling around it. Others believed that the earth was floating on a sea.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

THE ANCIENT GREEKS knew the Earth was spherical. We've known the Earth was spherical since about several hundred years before Jesus lived. Why?

And the Ancient Greeks also believed in other nonsense like the four humors, spontaneous generation, and atoms.

1.) When the sun is behind the Earth and the moon in front of the Earth, Earth makes a curved shadow on the moon, no matter what side of the Earth the moon is facing. If the Earth were flat, then it would make no shadow on the moon when the moon was above the horizon, much less a noticeably curved one. In other words, the moon would not have phases. It would not appear to be different shapes at different times.

The darkness of the moon is because of carbon. I developed this theory when I realized that the stars are actually diamonds.

2.) You can see different stars from different places on Earth, even when these observations are made at the exact same time. If the Earth were flat, you would see the same stars no matter where you were on Earth.

Of course you can see different stars. Some stars are hanging out right above North America, others over Australia, others over Europe, so people in different locations will see different stars when they look up.

3.) Ships appear to sink as they sail farther and farther away from the observer. Why? Is it because all ships do, in fact, sink the farther they sail? Of course not. This would be alarming. No, it's because the Earth is curved, so the farther an object is away from you, the farther down it appears to be, since the Earth curves downward away from you. This is what is meant by "horizon." At some point, even with superhuman vision (you can try this using a telescope, if you want) you reach a point where you can't see farther along the Earth, simply because light does not bend around the curvature of the Earth, so you can only see things that are linearly in front of your eyes and your range of vision. If the Earth were flat, ships would not appear to sink as they got farther and farther away from you. They would appear to get smaller, but they would not appear to sink. There would also be no point at which it is impossible to see further along the Earth. The experiment here would be to use a high-powered telescope to observe an expanse where there are no mountains or anything blocking your field of vision. If you did this, you'd be able to see a point past which nothing can be seen, even though things at that point aren't simply so small that you can't see them. This can also be observed simply by studying photos of Earth taken from space. There comes a point when you can't see anything farther than the horizon, not because things become so small you can't detect them with your eyes, but because the Earth curves out of your field of vision.

Have you actually done this experiment or are you simply parroting what your scientist overlords tell you to say?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I did, if you'll observe, introduce myself. Moments after I posted here.

Kindly reiterate or quote the post where these arguments are "BUSTED." I'd love to refute it.

I am not your maid, nor your nanny. You go through the 124 pages of posts yourself.

Frankly I am tired of dealing with the obvious ignorance of you atheists.

Thank you for finally doing the introduction, however it was not the first thing you did on arrival here, hence my comment.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[BYTHEPOWEROFGAWD]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I was only asking for a small extension of kindness, as clearly you have some idea of where this may have been brought up in the thread, whereas it would take me hours to look through each page to find it. If you don't want to go to the trouble, just tell me so. It's seems rude to me to react immediately by being patronizing and hostile. I understand you may feel like a bunch of dissenters came onto your turf thinking they'd easily make a fool of you, but it doesn't help your cause to be spiteful in hostile in return.

And can you not see how it seems to atheists that it is you who displays "obvious ignorance?" You deny scientific laws and theories which have been observed over and over and over again to accurately explain and predict earthly phenomena based on a collection of instances in which it's possible to conclude the law/theory is incorrect, without trying to consider what other things could account for the appearance that it's wrong. We "atheists" (by the way, atheists aren't the only people who believe the Earth is an oblate spheroid) simply come here trying to explain the scientific and logical reasons why it makes much more sense for the Earth to in fact be a sphere, presenting the arguments that we deem to make more sense. Some people will jeer and insult, but in the cases where it's just a matter of creating a dialogue, why is it that you lack patience? Let's just try to see who runs out of answers first. I, for one, strongly believe it will be those who hold your beliefs, as you can no doubt guess. Let's just have a real debate instead of resorting to calling each other ignorant.

[codi]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Are you all completely brainwashed or do you just have no idea how the laws of physics work?

about ur first test i propose a challenge. Go into an airplane and jump. airplanes are travelling at hundreds of miles an hour so according to your logic if you were to jump on an airplane you would be thrown against the back of it. or jump while your on a train, or a large boat... you will land in the exact same spot because your body is moving at the same speed as the vessels you are standing on.

im not even going to bring up the obvious, which is that we've seen the earth from space and it is indeed round, because u probably dont believe in space or some crazy thing like that. lets talk about test number 2 which deals with mass. Blowing up the baloon DOES NOT give it much more mass, in fact it hardly gives it any mass. What you're doing is giving the baloon more VOLUME. Mass is the measure of the amount of MATTER in an object which, on earth can be measured by its weight. when an object is MASSIVE (contains a lot of mass compared with surrounding objects) it creates a gravitational field. of course the peice of paper would fall off the balloon the paper is being pulled by the earths gravity which is much greater than that of the balloon.

And now lets examine experiment number 3... if the eath was flat and i got high enough on a clear day shouldn't i be able to see the whole earth? or accross america? or accross my state? but i cant... this is caused by the earths radial surface which creates a HORIZON LINE.

this is all pretty much common sence and can be looked up in about two seconds with google... good job guys, thanks for making christians everywhere look stupid and crazy

[Frank Calzone]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Have you actually done this experiment or are you simply parroting what your scientist overlords tell you to say?

Have you actually done any experiments to prove that our "scientist overlords" are wrong? Or are you simply parroting what a shitty fiction novel told you? Goosebumps is a hell of a lot better than the Bible.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I was only asking for a small extension of kindness, as clearly you have some idea of where this may have been brought up in the thread, whereas it would take me hours to look through each page to find it. If you don't want to go to the trouble, just tell me so. It's seems rude to me to react immediately by being patronizing and hostile. I understand you may feel like a bunch of dissenters came onto your turf thinking they'd easily make a fool of you, but it doesn't help your cause to be spiteful in hostile in return.

Of course I know the answers have been repeated ad-nauseum throughout the thread. The exact pages though? No I don't know and I would be lying to you if I told you otherwise. Also, it seems rude to me that someone would just barge in here, make claims with no evidence to support their opinion, other than "cuz I say so".

And can you not see how it seems to atheists that it is you who displays "obvious ignorance?" You deny scientific laws and theories which have been observed over and over and over again to accurately explain and predict earthly phenomena based on a collection of instances in which it's possible to conclude the law/theory is incorrect, without trying to consider what other things could account for the appearance that it's wrong. We "atheists" (by the way, atheists aren't the only people who believe the Earth is an oblate spheroid) simply come here trying to explain the scientific and logical reasons why it makes much more sense for the Earth to in fact be a sphere, presenting the arguments that we deem to make more sense. Some people will jeer and insult, but in the cases where it's just a matter of creating a dialogue, why is it that you lack patience? Let's just try to see who runs out of answers first. I, for one, strongly believe it will be those who hold your beliefs, as you can no doubt guess. Let's just have a real debate instead of resorting to calling each other ignorant.

You call on science for your "facts", where in reality they are merely theories and assumed solutions to try and negate God. Ironically though, there would be nothing FOR THEM to observe without God.

One of my Sisters in Christ actually used scientific method to prove God. I bet however you would poo poo that as it does not "fit" with the lies you choose to believe.

As you can see, as to running out, I have thousands of posts up my sleeve, the majority dedicated to rebuking narrow-minded atheists such as yourself.

Also, if you had taken the proper direction, you would have read the information for Noobs and realized that this is NOT a debate site to entertain your petty notions. It is a site for the worship of Christ and to celebrate our love of the Word of God.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[codi]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Hey Mrs. Phebe Dewitt

I have an idea how about responding to people's posts instead of handing out infractions to anyone who disagrees with your views. This makes you look frail and weak and shows us all that you really dont have the facts to back up your argument.
If all of the points made in my last post were already covered than please send me a link or reference to what page ur refutation is on.

and you wanted an introduction...

I am the codis

and i challenge you to actually participate in a civil discussion

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Are you all completely brainwashed or do you just have no idea how the laws of physics work?

about ur first test i propose a challenge. Go into an airplane and jump. airplanes are travelling at hundreds of miles an hour so according to your logic if you were to jump on an airplane you would be thrown against the back of it. or jump while your on a train, or a large boat... you will land in the exact same spot because your body is moving at the same speed as the vessels you are standing on.

im not even going to bring up the obvious, which is that we've seen the earth from space and it is indeed round, because u probably dont believe in space or some crazy thing like that. lets talk about test number 2 which deals with mass. Blowing up the baloon DOES NOT give it much more mass, in fact it hardly gives it any mass. What you're doing is giving the baloon more VOLUME. Mass is the measure of the amount of MATTER in an object which, on earth can be measured by its weight. when an object is MASSIVE (contains a lot of mass compared with surrounding objects) it creates a gravitational field. of course the peice of paper would fall off the balloon the paper is being pulled by the earths gravity which is much greater than that of the balloon.

And now lets examine experiment number 3... if the eath was flat and i got high enough on a clear day shouldn't i be able to see the whole earth? or accross america? or accross my state? but i cant... this is caused by the earths radial surface which creates a HORIZON LINE.

this is all pretty much common sence and can be looked up in about two seconds with google... good job guys, thanks for making christians everywhere look stupid and crazy

You spherical earthers are always a good source of entertainment with your crazy theories. FYI horizon comes from horizontal, the horizon line is level because the earth is flat.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Hey Mrs. Phebe Dewitt

I have an idea how about responding to people's posts instead of handing out infractions to anyone who disagrees with your views. This makes you look frail and weak and shows us all that you really dont have the facts to back up your argument.
If all of the points made in my last post were already covered than please send me a link or reference to what page ur refutation is on.

and you wanted an introduction...

I am the codis

and i challenge you to actually participate in a civil discussion

Codis are a pain killing drug. Try taking some to reduce the pain

[BYTHEPOWEROFGAWD]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

And the Ancient Greeks also believed in other nonsense like the four humors, spontaneous generation, and atoms.



The darkness of the moon is because of carbon. I developed this theory when I realized that the stars are actually diamonds.



Of course you can see different stars. Some stars are hanging out right above North America, others over Australia, others over Europe, so people in different locations will see different stars when they look up.



Have you actually done this experiment or are you simply parroting what your scientist overlords tell you to say?

Fair point about the ancient Greeks. I'd like to point out, though, that the Greeks had no concept of the atom as we do now. The idea of an "atom" to them simply was the idea of the smallest possible bit of stuff, such that it could not be divided into smaller pieces.

http://www.ktgss.edu.hk/Academic/physics/phyindex/image/solarspectrum.jpg

1.) I read the post you linked to, and there's one problem I notice right away: there's no such thing as "black light." This can be easily observed by the fact that when we split visible light into its various wavelengths using a prism, none of the light looks black.

Also, we know that the sun and moon are not made of carbon. For the sun, we know this because of spectral analysis. Certain elements only emit certain colors of light. We can observe this by running an electrical charge through vials of different elements and seeing what colors of light they emit. The colors will always be the same for any given element. So what do we primarily see when we look at the sun? Not the colors we would expect to see for carbon, but instead the colors we would expect to see for a combination of hydrogen and helium. A picture of the solar absorption spectrum is linked to below. The dark lines represent wavelengths that are emitted by the sun. This helps us see what elements the sun is made of and in what relative quantities. This is the method we use to ascertain that the sun is made almost entirely of hydrogen and helium, with trace amounts of carbon, neon, and a few other elements. This method also works for the moon. Based on the colors of light it absorbs, we can tell that it is made mostly of silica, alumina, and rust. There is, in fact, no carbon on the moon. We also know this because we have collected samples of rock from the moon. The same method also works for stars, allowing us to see that all stars are in fact mostly hydrogen and helium.

In addition, if the stars were diamonds, they would act like prisms; when light from the sun shone through them, we would see rainbows. This means that whenever we could see stars we would also see rainbows. But do we see rainbows in the night sky? No. Also I'm interested to hear what your theory is about why nighttime happens. Does the sun stop burning? Does it go beneath the Earth? Because in either of these scenarios, sunlight shouldn't be reaching the stars if it can't reach us, and diamonds don't emit light, they only reflect it. Therefore, if no light is reaching them, how can we see them? You can't see a diamond in a perfectly dark room.

2.) I'll give you this one for now, since it basically coheres with the rest of your view. In other words, this claim is most easily combated if we first establish the truth of other things, such as that stars are in fact huge flaming balls of hydrogen and helium and could not therefore be so close to Earth that we'd see different stars at different places.

3.) Have I looked through a telescope? Yes. Have I observed ships appearing to sink on the horizon? Yes. Have I observed pictures taken of Earth from space? Yes. You're right to guess, however, that I haven't done the exact experiment I describe. Based on other observations I make about the world, however, (such as that ships appear to sink as they get very far away and that pictures taken from space show the earth as having curvature, and the fact that the sunset is red while the daytime sky is blue, and the fact that no one has ever reached the end of the Earth, and the fact that the flat-earth theory doesn't account for plate-tectonics or earthquakes or why everything seems to be pulled in a certain direction (namely, downward) by some power) I can reasonably guess that scientists are right (and not lying to me) when they confirm that this experiment would, in fact, work in order to show that the earth is round.