[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

No you don't look like catholics, but you do look like a house divided against itself (denominations there are many). See I was raised a baptist until I was ten. So dont think I dont understand you.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Symbolism

and if I am wrong then explain why the most famous church in the world is based on sacred geometry. The Rosslyn Chapel and the apprentice pillar. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sacred_...ry/3467163210/ This is called fractal geometry.

Of course! It all makes perfect sense now! Tell me, do you think the Rosicrucians were involved? Opus Dei? The Templars? Please let me know, as its obvious that some (if not all) of these nefarious groups have had something to do with it.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Symbolism

scripture, its the freaking world census for christ sakes. Incase you missed it we have made a few new extra people since the time of Je$u$.

quote from Pope Leo X.
It has served us well, this myth of christ.

Next you'll tell me the pope was full of crap too huh!?

Okay, typing very slowly and very largely so that you get it.

Of course he was
The pope is Catholic
Catholics are not Christian

No you don't look like catholics, but you do look like a house divided against itself (denominations there are many). See I was raised a baptist until I was ten. So dont think I dont understand you.

Personally, I don't think you understand the difference between reality and your imagination. As for you being raised Baptist, I highly doubt it, what Baptist would turn to the Pope as a Christian reference.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Symbolism

"you are the one that will deliver the message, a message of hope for those who chose to listen and a warning for those who do not"

1 .. How can it be a warning if they're not listening?????
2 .. A symbol only has the meaning ascribed to it by whatever group adopts it. The letter "G" for example signifies a certain sound, broadly similar across several language groups. That particular symbol was (probably) invented by the Phœnicians. They were traders who travelled in boats hither & thither, meeting all sorts of people who spoke all sorts of languages Genesis 11:9 and it was beneficial to have a method of writing down what to say to (for example) a tin miner on some remote island. Imagine the scene: boat lands: heathen approaches: "why, Hello!" says the captain: "UG" says the heathen [captain holds up pearl necklace] "IG IG" says the heathen: another heathen approaches, seemingly female: "OG" she says, and then, noticing the necklace "IGGLE MI"
Her eyes begin to shine and her face turns pink, she pokes the heathen repeatedly "GO ON GO ON GO ON" she says: the Phœnician points to a pile of tin ore the heathen has dug out of the ground, points to himself, waggles the necklace again, points to the female heathen who is still poking the heathen but he is a bit slow on the uptake. Suddenly the female heathen produces a large club and clonks the heathen over the head. She is now very pink and her eyes are completely glazed over, transfixed by the pearls just as the captain had hoped. Well you get the idea. The female heathen gets a lovely pearl necklace, the captain gets his rocks off the island and into the boat and later he will come back with some diamond earrings and teach the heathen how to smelt metal from the ore. BUT THE POINT IS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE SAME CAPTAIN. Using the phonetic alphabet he is able to write down the sounds made by the heathens.
UG
IG IG
OG
IGGLE MI
GO ON GO ON GO ON
O YAIR BAY BEE (something the female heathen said later, when taking delivery of the pearl necklace)
..so any other Phœnician could copy that and take it to the remote island and communicate with the female heathen.

The symbols of alphabet have no meaning in themselves. The letter "G" (that we use) only signifies the sound the Phœnicians decided for convenience of writing down foreign words so that they could trade, but it is a very convenient form of writing and their alphabet of sounds is widely used.

To a culture without writing, the written letters might seen to have magical powers - but they don't. To illiterate and superstitious people, the words might seem like a magic spell, but they're not: it's just ordinary spelling and they're just ordinary old words.

There is no such thing as sacred geometry. There is only geometry. If you want to think it's sacred go right ahead. That is idolatry. Moses made a brass serpent Numbers 21:9 which was used as a symbol of healing, but had no healing powers of itself. Although it was a symbol it was not sacred and when the Israelites started treating it as a sacred symbol it was destroyed. II Kings 18:4

When geometry is treated as "sacred" it leads to depravity, lust, whoredom and destruction. God has told us how to worship & respect Him. Geometry is not mentioned, except for a few architectural references which are necessary to prevent buildings falling down. They do not remain standing because of “magic” but because they are built properly. Of course I can imagine any significance I fancy - and do use my imagination when I write music, for example. I can imagine that what I am playing represents anything at all but it is not real. It is imagination. This is what God says about imagined significances.

ROMANS 1
21 Because that when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankefull, but became vaine in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened:
22 Professing themselues to be wise, they became fooles

I know what I imagine is not real. When I forget that, this is what I can expect:

ROMANS 1
24 Wherefore God also gaue them vp to vncleannesse, through the lusts of their owne hearts, to dishonour their owne bodies betweene themselues:
25 Who changed the trueth of God into a lye, and worshipped and serued the creature more then the Creatour, who is blessed for euer. Amen.

Respecting imagined “magical” or other false “esoteric” properties is idolatry. Ezekiel chapter 8 God wants us to avoid abominations like idolatory (which includes geometry worship) because He loves us.

DEUTERONOMY 18
9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giueth thee, thou shalt not learne to doe after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his sonne, or his daughter to passe thorow the fire, or that vseth diuination, or an obseruer of times, or an inchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wyzard, or a Necromancer.
12a For all that do these things, are an abomination vnto the Lord

Illusions are no substitute for actual power. Genesis 41:8 God’s power and authority is real.

GENESIS 41
15 And Pharaoh said vnto Ioseph, I haue dreamed a dreame, and there is none that can interpret it: and I haue heard say of thee, that thou canst vnderstand a dreame, to interpret it.
16 And Ioseph answered Pharaoh, saying; It is not in me: God shall giue Pharaoh an answere of peace.

False “magic” produced using illusions is unable to compete in any way with God’s Real Power. Skilled illusionists can be very entertaining, but they are not practising sacred esoteric or otherwise falsely proclaimed “magic” and don’t claim that they are. This is what happens when illusionists LIE and say that they are “magic”

EXODUS 7
8 And the Lord spake vnto Moses, and vnto Aaron, saying:
9 When Pharaoh shall speake vnto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say vnto Aaron, Take thy rod and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.
10 And Moses and Aaron went in vnto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast downe his rod before Pharaoh, and before his seruants, and it became a serpent.
11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; now the Magicians of Egypt, they also did in like maner with their enchantments.
12 For they cast downe euery man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aarons rod swallowed vp their rods.

I have read various accounts of symbolism, occultism, demonic sex orgies and geometry. I will not be posting any references here: Satan is already having enough fun with our children and will not be getting any inappropriate hypertext from me. Those records always link geometrical symbols of divers kinds with activities that are blatantly demonic. That is enough for me. PRAISE GOD!

3 .. What are your views, then, about the symbolist painters?

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Warning??? Thats the whole point of listening isn't it?

As for the alphabet, people like Stan Tenan, which i can't stand, has proven that the hebrew alphabet came from sacred geometry. http://www.meru.org/Press/Atlantisrising.html

http://www.meru.org/lightintent/lightin.html

not to mention english. Geometry is only sacred when the constructs behind it are used to get back to the source of creation. A single point of creation.

Let me remind you that the word god is merely a title.

And as for sacred geoemtry leading to lust and whoredome...thats a fvcking joke right. Math and symbols are the basis for everything around you. They are the fundation to everything that has been lain before you the very foundation to everthing that has harnessed your education and thought.

Remember when Judas asked Jesus to show him fire. What Judas was looking for was the symbol of the tetrahedron. The first element in a polygonal fashion. I find it amazing who all the poeple in the christian world can say this and asy that and wear this graven image and that (cross) and not realize the foundation from which It all came.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Symbolism

[...] (proposition #1) Tell me this> If god provides all things,
(proposition #2) the only thing that God has provided is the Earth itself.

Did God provide ALL things or just the earth?

Sir, your short term attention span needs hitting with a tire wrench.

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Look son, the earth is ours to do with as we see fit... go find some other bone to chew on.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Symbolism

Warning??? Thats the whole point of listening isn't it?

yes, but you said that your warning was to people who weren't listening

a message of hope for those who chose to listen and a warning for those who do not.

Just out of interest, what Bible did your Baptist Church use?

As for the alphabet.. .. blah blah blah .. geometry etc..

well of course all written alphabets are based on geometry, whether they are carved out of stone, or painted with a brush on a shop window - or created on a computer.
Here is an example of the geometry involved:

additional information is available here

Geometry is only sacred when the constructs behind it are used to get back to the source of creation.

Nobody “gets back to” or otherwise approaches the source of creation. Your most likely destination is the source of your evident confusion.
I Timothy 2:5 .. John 1:3

Math and symbols are the basis for everything around you.

No, they are just tools to describe everything around us.

Remember when Judas asked Jesus to show him fire.

please include your Bible quote

What Judas was looking for was the symbol of the tetrahedron.

How do you know that? Please cite references.
When you have exhaused the material linked (above), this might be a good place for you to go on from.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Just one problem with your little quote. A little word called us! If God had written the bible then it should had said I.

And as far as us being able to do with the earth as we will. Yeah we might to do this, but one day we wont have it to do with and bye bye us. Or more to the point you.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Symbolism

Just one problem with your little quote. A little word called us! If God had written the bible then it should had said I.

And as far as us being able to do with the earth as we will. Yeah we might to do this, but one day we wont have it to do with and bye bye us. Or more to the point you.

WHY would it have to be I? Royality use "WE" and "US" when they are referring to a single entity(being self) too, so who are you to say that GOD HIMSELF cannot use "us"?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Us is Plural and Royalty use it as a seperation from commoners, family entitlement.

US was a Sumerian Tribe. You know the race that has been credited with our creation as slaves.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Symbolism

Us is Plural and Royalty use it as a seperation from commoners, family entitlement.

US was a Sumerian Tribe. You know the race that has been credited with our creation as slaves.

You presume GOD has no entitlement but mere human royalty is allowed to?

WOW, you are clutching at any straw, rather than having to deal with the reality OF GOD HIMSELF!

Oh... are you a nigra, Mr RomanK?

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

And you think god would be so petty as to be defined by a religion. But I can't tell you anything. You still think a trinity >3 is somehow 1.


Oh wait an infraction is inorder

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Symbolism

And you think god would be so petty as to be defined by a religion. But I can't tell you anything. You still think a trinity >3 is somehow 1.


Oh wait an infraction is inorder

There are many facets to the life dynamic of mere human beings, so why not of God? Why are you always trying to "fit" God where YOU want Him to be?
You aren't His GOD!

That is where you lack your understanding. You make God a clinical or spirographic study based on what twerps trying to "define" God as being, for themselves. It's morons like you who tend to take someone else's "theory" OF God, over what God actually IS, hence losing the REAL LORD in the process.

Oh and RomanK, it's obvious that your life without God in it, is a permanent infraction.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Symbolism

And you think god would be so petty as to be defined by a religion. But I can't tell you anything. You still think a trinity >3 is somehow 1.


Oh wait an infraction is inorder

God is not defined by a religion, it is the other way around: True religion is defined by - and through grace given to us - by God.
Ephesians 1:9 .. Ephesians 2:5 .. III John 1:11

We follow what comes to us from God - He does not manufacture Himself in our image, as you suggest.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

There are many facets to the life dynamic of mere human beings, so why not of God? Why are you always trying to "fit" God where YOU want Him to be?
You aren't His GOD!

That is where you lack your understanding. You make God a clinical or spirographic study based on what twerps trying to "define" God as being, for themselves. It's morons like you who tend to take someone else's "theory" OF God, over what God actually IS, hence losing the REAL LORD in the process.

Oh and RomanK, it's obvious that your life without God in it, is a permanent infraction.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

Every thing you have just said can just as easily be directed toward you. All you have proven is your inability to think that you might actually be wrong. This is why more people have died fighting religious battles than any other.

And it's always nice to see how you assume I don't believe in God just becasue you think your description of God is somehow correct.