[John Scopes]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Wouldn't stationary orbit mean it shone over the exact same spot all of the time?

You know you're not the only one around here with a science degree.

You are correct madam and passed the test. It is refreshing to know there is some glimmer of hope in this place.

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I'm going to do this in an abstract form.

-Light shines at star X, in this case Polaris.
-This light travels from star X in all directions at the speed of light c.
-Star Y is located a distance of 430 times, the distance light travels in a year, from star X.
-It takes 430 years for the light to reach star y from star x

When you see Polaris in the night's sky you are actually seeing what the star looked like 430 years ago, which, ironically, happens to be when the witch hunts began in Ireland. :X

This may seem unintuitive at first, but Einstein's predictions in special and general relativity have been confirmed multiple times experimentally.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

which, ironically, happens to be when the witch hunts began in Ireland

Yeah, that's very ironic, "ha ha".

Now stop talking nonsense please, this is a serious website.

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Yeah, that's very ironic, "ha ha".

Now stop talking nonsense please, this is a serious website.

What in my post specifically was non-sense?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

What in my post specifically was non-sense?

Everthing. It contained neither scripture nor praising of Jesus.

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

So everything not containing scripture is automatically nonsense?

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

So everything not containing scripture is automatically nonsense?

Yes that would be a correct assessment every thing you ever need to know and believe can be found between the covers of the KJV1611 Bible. Everything else must be looked at with suspicion. Jesus warns us of what these evil satan worshippers can do to try and confuse us and lead into temptation.

KJV1611 Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which goe in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth vnto life, and few there be that finde it. 15 Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheepes clothing, but inwardly they are rauening wolues. 16 Yee shall knowe them by their fruits: Doe men gather grapes of thornes, or figges of thistles? 17 Euen so, euery good tree bringeth forth good fruit: but a corrupt tree bringeth forth euill fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth euil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Euery tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, is hewen downe, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[SoulMan]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The fact of the matter is that even if light really did need to travel millions of years in order for us to see stars you have to account for the fact that it gets dark every night when the sun goes away. This means the sun only has about 12 hours to send light to be reflected off those stars before it goes behind the earth and all the progress it made is canceled.

LOL this is a classic well done to you sir

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Everything must be looked at with suspicion.

I actually agree with this statement.

That is the goal of my life. Investigating claims, and testing them with world around us.

Certain things can be tested. Others cannot be tested.

Whether there is a god is NOT an empirically testable claim, so therefore it must be taken through faith, nothing wrong with that really, so long as it doesn't impede on other claims that can be tested empirically.

Other statements we can actually test and see if they make accurate predictions.

Can we at least agree on that? =]

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

LOL this is a classic well done to you sir

I am confused - why would you laugh at Wash O'Hanley the logic used was sound.

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I actually agree with this statement.

That is the goal of my life. Investigating claims, and testing them with world around us.

Certain things can be tested. Others cannot be tested.

Whether there is a god is NOT an empirically testable claim, so therefore it must be taken through faith, nothing wrong with that really, so long as it doesn't impede on other claims that can be tested empirically.

Other statements we can actually test and see if they make accurate predictions.

Can we at least agree on that? =]

That might be the case if you are testing things such as "is the water too hot to get into the shower?", or "is there enough gas in the lawn mower?", but when it comes to the word of God you should not test it. If you do you do so at your own peril as the wages of sin is death.

KJV1611 Romans 6:23 For the wages of sinne is death: but the gift of God is eternall life, through Iesus Christ our Lord.

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

but when it comes to the word of God you should not test it.

You cannot test the claims. Most of the claims occurred in the past and the only evidence is anecdotal.

The point is science does not comment on whether there is a god. It only tests the effectiveness of suggested theories. Since religion does not make any predictions that we can test, there is no conflict. You can be a scientist and believe in a god and have no contradictions.

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You cannot test the claims. Most of the claims occurred in the past and the only evidence is anecdotal.

The point is science does not comment on whether there is a god. It only tests the effectiveness of suggested theories. Since religion does not make any predictions that we can test, there is no conflict. You can be a scientist and believe in a god and have no contradictions.

Good Christians don't waste their time with secular science rubbish. If you want to discuss these types of things first provide me with in context scripture that says I should take notice of secular science.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The point is science does not comment on whether there is a god.

Which proves beyond even a shred of doubt that all science is pointless.

[zeropoint]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Good Christians don't waste their time with secular science rubbish. If you want to discuss these types of things first provide me with in context scripture that says I should take notice of secular science.

If it weren't for secular science, You would not be able to have this website, your computer, or any of these luxuries you idolize.