[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

ok how about 10?

1
Can god be seen?
No: John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time.
Yes:Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....

2
Where does god dwell?
Zion:Psalm 9:11
The Lord, which dwelleth in Zion.
Heaven:Ecclesiastes 5:2
Let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth.

3
How many animals did Noah put on the ark?
Two:Genesis 6:19
Of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark.
Seven:Genesis 7:2
Of every clean beast thou shalt take thee by sevens, the male and his female.

4
Can god tempt anyone?
No:James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
Yes:Genesis 22:1
God did tempt Abraham.

5
How long was the ark afloat?
Seven months:Genesis 8:4
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
Ten months:Genesis 8:5
And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

6
When was eve created?
Same time as adam:Genesis 1:27
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
After adam and the animals:Genesis 2:20-22
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

7
Did god create evil?
Yes:2 Kings 6:33
Behold, this evil is of the Lord.
No:Psalm 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

8
How did david kill goliath?
With a sling:1 Samuel 17:49-50
David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.
With a sword:1 Samuel 17:51
David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him,and cut off his head therewith.

9
Who makes people deaf and blind?
God:John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Foul Spirits:Mark 9:17, 25
And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit. Jesus ... rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

10
Who is to blame for original sin?
Eve:1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam:Romans 5:12
By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin.

11 (One more for goodluck )
How long does god's anger last?
Just a moment:Jeremiah 3:12
I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Forever:Jeremiah 17:4
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.


I could keep going on if you'd like.

These are not contradictions. This only proves that God can change His mind at any time.

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

[Pure_Angel]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

Nonsense...

Booger you have not quoted from the KJV Bible so I can not take you serious. Also, the KJV Bible is a holy book, and even a woman as myself knows not to question it! (so why are you?!)
And the Bible is the word of God so are you saying that God would make a mistake?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

ok how about 10?

1
Can god be seen?
No: John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time.
Yes:Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....

Are you really that stupid as to think God is some guy on a white cloud in a painting and just walked up to Abraham and said "Hi!"? Keep in mind in The Temple the Holy of Holies was empty and God appeared to Moses as a burn bush. Since Abraham offered no description of God it's likely God was more like The Temple and simply made Abraham aware of God's presence.

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

So instead of reading the original hebrew scripts and greek scripts of the bible we should read one that has been translated over and over again which loses a lot of words hahaha. Yea if even this was the word of god why wouldn't you "true" followers read the original language...lol. So wait god can change his mind? If he was all powerful like you say he wouldn't need to do that haha....fail.

[True Disciple]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

1
Can god be seen?
No: John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time.
Yes:Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....

When God appears to people in the Old Testament, He always takes another form (a burning bush, a pillar of smoke, etc.). God never takes on his True Form, which no man can approach:

1 Timothy 6:16:
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Consider the example of Moses. We read that he spake with God "face to face:":

Exodus 33:11:
And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Yet several Verses down we read:
Exodus 33:20-23:
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Clearly, when Moses meets God "face to face," he is not meeting the true Face of God. There is no contradiction.

2
Where does god dwell?
Zion:Psalm 9:11
The Lord, which dwelleth in Zion.
Heaven:Ecclesiastes 5:2
Let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth.

Ecclesiastes 5:2 denotes the difference between man and God: He is in Heaven, we on earth. However, it does not say that God therefore is not on Earth. The difference is that we are not in Heaven, not that He is not on Earth.

After all, God dwells in both Heaven and Earth, as God is omnipresent:

Proverbs 15:3:
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.


There is no contradiction.

3
How many animals did Noah put on the ark?
Two:Genesis 6:19
Of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark.
Seven:Genesis 7:2
Of every clean beast thou shalt take thee by sevens, the male and his female.

These do not contradict one another in any way. Of "all flesh," two animals should be brought into the Ark. Then, of all clean animals, an additional six couples were brought into the Ark. This doesn't contradict Genesis 6:19, because if you want to bring seven pairs of animals into the Ark, you will always have to start with one.

This was done probably to allow Noah to make a sacrifice after leaving the Ark without causing several extinctions

Genesis 8:20:
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

So you see, these surplus clean animals were sacrificed after Noah left the Ark. There is no contradiction.

4
Can god tempt anyone?
No:James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
Yes:Genesis 22:1
God did tempt Abraham.

You need to read Verses in context:

James 1:12-15:
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

As you can see, this Passage speaks specifically about being tempted towards sin. This is something very different from God testing our Faith and Obedience, of course. God does tempt us, but not into sin.

There is no contradiction.

5
How long was the ark afloat?
Seven months:Genesis 8:4
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
Ten months:Genesis 8:5
And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

Friend, Noah's Ark was a very big boat. Obviously, the Ark came to rest on top of Mount Ararat in the 17th day of the 7th month. Then, the waters abated further, until on the 1st day of the 10th month, the first mountain tops came into view to the people on the Ark.

There is no contradiction.

6
When was eve created?
Same time as adam:Genesis 1:27
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
After adam and the animals:Genesis 2:20-22
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Friend, Genesis 1:27 nowhere says that God created man and woman at exactly the same moment.
Probably, on the morning of the sixth day, He created man, in the afternoon, He sent a sleep over man, while He created woman. There is no contradiction.

7
Did god create evil?
Yes:2 Kings 6:33
Behold, this evil is of the Lord.
No:Psalm 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

Evil shall not dwell with God, but that does not mean that God didn't create evil! After all, God created man as well, and most people will end up in Hell, not dwelling with God. Does that disprove that God created man? Of course not! There is no contradiction.

8
How did david kill goliath?
With a sling:1 Samuel 17:49-50
David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.
With a sword:1 Samuel 17:51
David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him,and cut off his head therewith.

David slew Goliath twice, just to be sure. Is it wrong to make sure you properly do your job? Are you a liberal?

There is no contradiction.

9
Who makes people deaf and blind?
God:John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Foul Spirits:Mark 9:17, 25
And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit. Jesus ... rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

Friend, you must realize that foul spirits are sent by God. After all, He also sends an evil spirit to possess Saul:

1 Samuel 16:14:
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

So you see, God sends evil spirits as well. Blindness can be caused by evil spirits (though the Bible doesn't say anywhere that it must be), but evil spirits are sent by God, who therefore is the Ultimate Cause of blindness. There is no contradiction.

10
Who is to blame for original sin?
Eve:1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam:Romans 5:12
By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin.

The woman, of course, was deceived. But apparently, it didn't really count until man had fallen into sin as well.

Maybe God didn't really care that an air-headed female fell into sin, but when a man who was created in His Image sinned, it was serious enough for God to declare that sin "entered the world."

There is no contradiction.

11 (One more for goodluck )
How long does god's anger last?
Just a moment:Jeremiah 3:12
I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Forever:Jeremiah 17:4
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.

God speaks here about a "fire in mine anger," not about His Anger Itself. When God's anger abates, the fire lit in it will still be burning.

Again, there is no contradiction.

So you see, the Bible doesn't contradict Itself anywhere, friend. That's just an atheist misconception.

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

haha your wrong

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

you giving me an infraction still makes you wrong hehe

[Two-Dollar Bill]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

haha your wrong

Granted English is not your first language and I will take that into account. Seriously, you wrote three words. How hard is it:

Haha, you're wrong.

Boy, you're dumber than a retard trying to ride on top of the short bus.

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

you could say im almost dumber than anyone who believes in god

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

you could say im almost dumber than anyone who believes in god

You are by far among the dumbest unsaved trash that has ever found its way in here. Now I think it's time that you get on your knees, accept Jesus and pray for His forgiveness unless you wish to spend an eternity of roasting in hell.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Psalm 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psalm 37:13 The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

Lol no thank you, you see athiests don't spend their time on their knees like christians

[Booger]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

These are not contradictions. This only proves that God can change His mind at any time.

Well Jones, how come this was said by another "True Christian" brother of yours?

Why would God change His rules??? God by definition perfect and unchanging.

this was from another thread called "Is your child a goth?"

But do you see? Not only does the bible contradict itself...You guys do it to each other!

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

Well Jones, how come this was said by another "True Christian" brother of yours?



this was from another thread called "Is your child a goth?"

But do you see? Not only does the bible contradict itself...You guys do it to each other!

Dear unsaved heathen,

Did you think that by coming in here and spit on Jesus' face would save you from an eternity of burning in hell? Well, let me tell you something. We are actually blessed by your insults as it states in Matthew 5:10:

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Unless you repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you WILL be facing His judgment as soon as He decides to strike you down for your wicked sins. Jesus will laugh at your misery as He watches you roast in the flames of hell for all eternity. The choice is yours, friend. Repent or enjoy hell.

Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psalm 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psalm 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Psalm 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psalm 37:13 The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 52:6 The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:
Psalm 52:7 Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.

Psalm 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Psalm 59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

[Soldier4God]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

Dr. Jones,

Why can you still not believe the earth is round when a person of the faith actually orbited the earth? Why couldn't god have created a round earth? And the fact that you refuse to read the original scriptures and only trust the king james version makes is just silly. The bible has been translated and interpreted many times before the KJV. And I lose respect for you and others when you accuse a man of the faith of lying about what he saw when you and the others have never been there.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Coming soon: Christian proof of the Earth's shape!

Dr. Jones,

Why can you still not believe the earth is round when a person of the faith actually orbited the earth? Why couldn't god have created a round earth? And the fact that you refuse to read the original scriptures and only trust the king james version makes is just silly. The bible has been translated and interpreted many times before the KJV. And I lose respect for you and others when you accuse a man of the faith of lying about what he saw when you and the others have never been there.

This has been explained many times. The Bible clearly describes the Earth as being flat in many places. I trust God more than any man's eyes.

The KJV Bible is the most widely distributed Bible on the planet. If it is not the breathed Word of God, then that would mean Satan is winning. That can't be, therefore the KJV Bible is the breathed Word of God.