[Zerasshol]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

*NOTE* This post is a rant. ignore it if you wish, I am ignoring most of your comments (as in not commenting on them). I will instead use the arguments (mostly in the first 6 pages) you guys used and talking about faith. This is also about the "Noobs" please post thing. I find that offensive, and i am a White Catholic Republican. That is very bad. I am not against this site, simply some things on it... blatant racism, lack of love (hate), excessive anger, excessive stupidity, cruelty, misusing words you dont understand etc. I am not saying you are all bad, simply that there are some that are. Wow... this intro was a rant on a side note this forum has the same construction as another forum i use. And i will post in "introductions" when i am done. AND I am not a troll. Yes I am arguing, but with logic, with scripture, and with love. That is how it can, no should, no MUST be done.

On this forum I am Zerashk. I have other names on other forums. This is my name on this one. I am a Roman Catholic, and observe the churches laws etc very closely. On that note I have been observing this thread closely.

My friend, yes he is an atheist, but he is still an awesome person, showed me this. My initial reaction was WHAAATTT??? There is no way, (name of friend... i will not disclose personal information especially if it is not mine and will abbreviate that NOF), that they are serious. This is clearly a joke. (NOF) replied, no. it isnt. Christians are so stupid. I answered, then why do you hang out with me? Why do you go to a catholic school (which we do)? he didnt answer.

But he raised a valid point. This thread makes me want to shoot myself, it is so utterly wrong in so many ways. Only the knowledge that 1) i have no right to take a life, especially my own and 2) that if i do kill myself I will go strait to hell keeps me from doing so. And i guess I dont have a gun, which helps... i could have been creative though.

What is wrong with this thread you may ask? Simply this. I actually have a list

1) a disregard for what scripture means, only using its words.

Now you may get affronted by this, but i dont mean the passages you used. They are accurate. I mean scripture in general. Yes, the OT (Old Testament... duh and guess what NT is? good job) preaches strict laws, segregation, all of that. But what about the reason we are Christian? What about the love of Christ? That he died, rose, and was buried for are sins? Where is our thankfulness to him? That is what we should focus on. Instead of worshiping the old testament, all that crap (excuse my foul language... "crap" will be the worst of it I swear) about whites being better or whatever in the "noobs" post. yes i will refer to that alot.

Instead we should, no we must focus on Jesus Christ, and his words. His gospel of love, forgiveness, openness, and worship of God. That is what is truly important.

2) Stupidity

I hate stupid arguments. I do not hate stupid people, to hate is against God and I am pretty good with acceptance. However, while I accept the people I do not accept the actions. It says in the Bible (not sure where... if anyone could find it for me i will be very thankful) that God loves us no matter what, but that he does not love our evil actions. In other words, if we were to do something bad, say kill a man, steal, or lie, he will still love us no matter what but will hate the action. And it will pain him. God hates it when we sin, it is worse for him emotionally than for us. It is like watching your child grow up a criminal. It is terrible...

Anyway, some of the arguments here are just stupid. How is it possible (so proud off myself for not using vulgarity there it is so necessary...) that we have been around for only a couple thousand, or whatever the number is, years when there is evidence! that there are things older that that. there are fossils millions of years old. logic, please.

Apart from that, I frankly dont understand how the OP's thing proves his argument. I guess its not actually his but whatever. There are many things wrong with that.

a) A great many people cannot get the necessary 2 liters of water a day, and while many have more it does not even out. Someone pointed out that people will dehydrate and die. Well guess what, they do. Now dont you feel bad.
b) Its... not actually 3 Billion years. It is between 4.5 and 4.6 Billion years. Please, if you argue use real facts not made up ones.
c) Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is 6000 years old? I must have missed something... wow and I thought I read carefully. Please show me the verse people.
d) Not only atheists believe in evolution... I go to a Catholic school that teaches evolution. It is run by Benedictine Monks. Are you telling me that they are all Atheist? WHAT? That sheds some light on things

Thats pretty much it with the OP post.

3) Who are we to decide who goes to hell?

Dont get me wrong, it is easy to tell who goes to hell and who doesnt. I have scriptural evidence. A link is below, skip to "The Sheep and the Goats Judgement" verse 31, but really verse 33.

http://kj2000.scripturetext.com/matthew/25.htm

it says a clear checklist of what we must do.
*NOTE* This does not include worship and all that, which is important of course.
1) Feed the hungry
2) Give water to the thirsty
3) Welcome Strangers
4) Clothe the Naked
5) Visit the sick
6) Visit those in prison (phrasing is off...)

There is probably more, but I have to do homework and stuff so i cannot rant to the fullest :/ no matter though, its ok. I think Ive expressed what I needed to.

*RECAP* in other words a shortened version of my post. But please read the whole thing its not that long.
1) There is nothing wrong with other races, religions, or traditions
2) We should argue with love, logic, and scripture. (and facts...)
3) Dont be stupid... Please. It undervalues your arguments and your validity
4) Love is more important than anything else
5) follow Jesus' Teachings, especially that Gospel (above) and the Sermon on the Mount
6) Use nice language please. It is against God to say anything vulgar, mean spirited, or degrading. Anger is ok, but only righteous anger. DO NOT get angry unnecessarily.

I love Jesus, all of you (though i dont know you) and hope for your own sakes that you put aside your foolish arguments and embrace the truth. Evolution happened.

YIC
Zerashk

[Bob4God]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

Okay...

Why are you here again?

If we're so awful, why not just leave?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

*NOTE* This post is a rant. ignore it if you wish, I am ignoring most of your comments (as in not commenting on them). I will instead use the arguments (mostly in the first 6 pages) you guys used and talking about faith. This is also about the "Noobs" please post thing. I find that offensive, and i am a White Catholic Republican. That is very bad. I am not against this site, simply some things on it... blatant racism, lack of love (hate), excessive anger, excessive stupidity, cruelty, misusing words you dont understand etc. I am not saying you are all bad, simply that there are some that are. Wow... this intro was a rant on a side note this forum has the same construction as another forum i use. And i will post in "introductions" when i am done. AND I am not a troll. Yes I am arguing, but with logic, with scripture, and with love. That is how it can, no should, no MUST be done.

On this forum I am Zerashk. I have other names on other forums. This is my name on this one. I am a Roman Catholic, and observe the churches laws etc very closely. On that note I have been observing this thread closely.

My friend, yes he is an atheist, but he is still an awesome person, showed me this. My initial reaction was WHAAATTT??? There is no way, (name of friend... i will not disclose personal information especially if it is not mine and will abbreviate that NOF), that they are serious. This is clearly a joke. (NOF) replied, no. it isnt. Christians are so stupid. I answered, then why do you hang out with me? Why do you go to a catholic school (which we do)? he didnt answer.

But he raised a valid point. This thread makes me want to shoot myself, it is so utterly wrong in so many ways. Only the knowledge that 1) i have no right to take a life, especially my own and 2) that if i do kill myself I will go strait to hell keeps me from doing so. And i guess I dont have a gun, which helps... i could have been creative though.

What is wrong with this thread you may ask? Simply this. I actually have a list

1) a disregard for what scripture means, only using its words.

Now you may get affronted by this, but i dont mean the passages you used. They are accurate. I mean scripture in general. Yes, the OT (Old Testament... duh and guess what NT is? good job) preaches strict laws, segregation, all of that. But what about the reason we are Christian? What about the love of Christ? That he died, rose, and was buried for are sins? Where is our thankfulness to him? That is what we should focus on. Instead of worshiping the old testament, all that crap (excuse my foul language... "crap" will be the worst of it I swear) about whites being better or whatever in the "noobs" post. yes i will refer to that alot.

Instead we should, no we must focus on Jesus Christ, and his words. His gospel of love, forgiveness, openness, and worship of God. That is what is truly important.

2) Stupidity

I hate stupid arguments. I do not hate stupid people, to hate is against God and I am pretty good with acceptance. However, while I accept the people I do not accept the actions. It says in the Bible (not sure where... if anyone could find it for me i will be very thankful) that God loves us no matter what, but that he does not love our evil actions. In other words, if we were to do something bad, say kill a man, steal, or lie, he will still love us no matter what but will hate the action. And it will pain him. God hates it when we sin, it is worse for him emotionally than for us. It is like watching your child grow up a criminal. It is terrible...

Anyway, some of the arguments here are just stupid. How is it possible (so proud off myself for not using vulgarity there it is so necessary...) that we have been around for only a couple thousand, or whatever the number is, years when there is evidence! that there are things older that that. there are fossils millions of years old. logic, please.

Apart from that, I frankly dont understand how the OP's thing proves his argument. I guess its not actually his but whatever. There are many things wrong with that.

a) A great many people cannot get the necessary 2 liters of water a day, and while many have more it does not even out. Someone pointed out that people will dehydrate and die. Well guess what, they do. Now dont you feel bad.
b) Its... not actually 3 Billion years. It is between 4.5 and 4.6 Billion years. Please, if you argue use real facts not made up ones.
c) Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is 6000 years old? I must have missed something... wow and I thought I read carefully. Please show me the verse people.
d) Not only atheists believe in evolution... I go to a Catholic school that teaches evolution. It is run by Benedictine Monks. Are you telling me that they are all Atheist? WHAT? That sheds some light on things

Thats pretty much it with the OP post.

3) Who are we to decide who goes to hell?

Dont get me wrong, it is easy to tell who goes to hell and who doesnt. I have scriptural evidence. A link is below, skip to "The Sheep and the Goats Judgement" verse 31, but really verse 33.

http://kj2000.scripturetext.com/matthew/25.htm

it says a clear checklist of what we must do.
*NOTE* This does not include worship and all that, which is important of course.
1) Feed the hungry
2) Give water to the thirsty
3) Welcome Strangers
4) Clothe the Naked
5) Visit the sick
6) Visit those in prison (phrasing is off...)

There is probably more, but I have to do homework and stuff so i cannot rant to the fullest :/ no matter though, its ok. I think Ive expressed what I needed to.

*RECAP* in other words a shortened version of my post. But please read the whole thing its not that long.
1) There is nothing wrong with other races, religions, or traditions
2) We should argue with love, logic, and scripture. (and facts...)
3) Dont be stupid... Please. It undervalues your arguments and your validity
4) Love is more important than anything else
5) follow Jesus' Teachings, especially that Gospel (above) and the Sermon on the Mount
6) Use nice language please. It is against God to say anything vulgar, mean spirited, or degrading. Anger is ok, but only righteous anger. DO NOT get angry unnecessarily.

I love Jesus, all of you (though i dont know you) and hope for your own sakes that you put aside your foolish arguments and embrace the truth. Evolution happened.

YIC
Zerashk

If you think that evolution happened then why did God tell us a different account of Creation? Are you calling Him a liar?

Jesus quoted Genesis as fact. Do you think Jesus was wrong? Maybe you know more than He did? Is that what you think?

You clearly have very little Biblical knowledge, that is obvious from your childish rant.

Now introduce yourself properly. Read the KJV1611, don't listen to the lies of your false church and don't bend over near a priest.

YiC

Jack

[Jedediah]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

I am a Roman Catholic, and observe the churches laws etc very closely.

And this is a Christian forum, where we observe God's Laws. Why are you here? Catholics aren't Christians. If you aren't Saved™, you are not welcome here.

Revelation 17:5:
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[...]
Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

(Hint: Rome is situated upon seven hills)

[Bob4God]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

The Old Testament still applies:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:18

What is wrong with this thread you may ask? Simply this. I actually have a list

1) a disregard for what scripture means, only using its words.

Now you may get affronted by this, but i dont mean the passages you used. They are accurate. I mean scripture in general. Yes, the OT (Old Testament... duh and guess what NT is? good job) preaches strict laws, segregation, all of that. But what about the reason we are Christian? What about the love of Christ? That he died, rose, and was buried for are sins?

We already teach that, thanks for asking.

As for the love of CHRIST, His love is for those who will accept it.

As for those who will not, here is what JESUS says about them:

He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. - Luke 11:23

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. - Matthew 7:19

So what's the problem?

We teach people like you and your atheist friend that they are going to Hell unless they repent and do everything the Bible says.

Apparently you love JESUS, but only on a part-time basis.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. - John 14:15

Where is our thankfulness to him? That is what we should focus on. Instead of worshiping the old testament, all that crap (excuse my foul language... "crap" will be the worst of it I swear) about whites being better or whatever in the "noobs" post. yes i will refer to that alot.

You are a very angry person.

You hang around atheists too much. Unless they are interested in converting, you should abandon them.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. - Ephesians 5:11

Instead we should, no we must focus on Jesus Christ, and his words. His gospel of love, forgiveness, openness, and worship of God. That is what is truly important.

Here are some of JESUS' words that are just for people like you:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21

I hate stupid arguments. I do not hate stupid people, to hate is against God and I am pretty good with acceptance.

WRONG.

GOD hates a lot of people:

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. - Psalm 5:5

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. - Psalm 7:11

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. - Proverbs 6:16-19

However, while I accept the people I do not accept the actions. It says in the Bible (not sure where... if anyone could find it for me i will be very thankful) that God loves us no matter what, but that he does not love our evil actions.

This says it all.

You think the Bible maybe says something sort of like "GOD loves us all" but you have no idea where to find it and you are too lazy to try.

Also, please don't show me only a partial list of things the Bible wants us to do or not do.

I will settle for nothing less than following the whole list.

Enjoy Hell!

[Zerasshol]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

wow... guess i shouldnt have said anything. if i cant voice my opinions... then whatever.

When did God say creation happened in 7 days? The Bible does, but the Bible was written by humans. It is good. It is holy. but some of it, especially the first couple books, should not be taken literally.

Maybe it seemed like 7 days to God, because he is almighty and ageless. A hundred years could be only a second to him. So for him maybe it was 7 days. But for us? God is not restrained by our methods of telling time. he does not use our system. The world revolves around God, not around us.

How dare you! Suggesting I know little about the bible. You know nothing about me except for one post.

Childish? i am affronted. What about it was childish? It could be that I am technically a child... but still. i am not that unrefined. i thinks its just you dont agree with me...

@Bob4God when did I say you were awful? I dont remember it... please quote me. I am imploring you to! If I did I am sorry... I did not mean you are awful. Or any of you. AS I think I said in the post, I like God will hate not the people, only the actions.

@Jedediah I am sorry for whatever it is i did... Why is it that, if i am not by your definition "saved" i cannot be here? Isnt that the point of this forum? To save people? To draw them into christ? That is my goal.

On a whole I think you guys ignored my main point. Which is, in a word, love.

Love governs everything. Gods love for us, our love for him, for our surroundings, for creation, for each other, that is what is important. Jesus said the first rule was to honor God above all. The second, to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said it, not me.

guys, lets be frank. Im not mad at you for responding like that. I would have done the same thing. I was ranting, and I deserved n infraction for it. But I tried to make a point, and you ignored it. From now on I will narrow focus, and do one thing at a time, and not rant.

YIC
Zerashk

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

The Old Testament still applies:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:18



We already teach that, thanks for asking.

As for the love of CHRIST, His love is for those who will accept it.

As for those who will not, here is what JESUS says about them:

He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. - Luke 11:23

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. - Matthew 7:19

So what's the problem?

We teach people like you and your atheist friend that they are going to Hell unless they repent and do everything the Bible says.

Apparently you love JESUS, but only on a part-time basis.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. - John 14:15



You are a very angry person.

You hang around atheists too much. Unless they are interested in converting, you should abandon them.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. - Ephesians 5:11



Here are some of JESUS' words that are just for people like you:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21



WRONG.

GOD hates a lot of people:

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. - Psalm 5:5

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. - Psalm 7:11

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. - Proverbs 6:16-19




This says it all.

You think the Bible maybe says something sort of like "GOD loves us all" but you have no idea where to find it and you are too lazy to try.

Also, please don't show me only a partial list of things the Bible wants us to do or not do.

I will settle for nothing less than following the whole list.

Enjoy Hell!

Well said brother Bob.

It always amazes me that catholics won't accept the word of God in their church but peodophilia is fine.

YiC
Jack

[Zerasshol]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

guess i have to post again... you posted while i was.

I ignore nothing. I understand that not everyone will go to heaven, some people will go to hell. i however do not think it right that because I believe something ever so slightly different from you i am apparently going to hell.

I never said you didnt teach it. What I meant is that it isnt present in the forums i have seen so far here. And I am looking.

God also says that judgement is up to him.
Romans 12:19 "Vengeance Is Mine, I Will Repay,"
We should not judge, that is up to God.

i am not an angry person. I can get angry. but i am not angry. you cannot judge character from one post. If you get to know me yes, but not from reading one post and taking one part into consideration with that comment.


I am heartily sorry if I offended anyone. I was ranting. It was a rant. Deal with it. i am sorry but its the truth.

I love God, and do not take kindly to being told I am going to hell for a Rant.
Bob4God, I forgive you for judging rashly. Its ok. I dont care. i cannot judge you, that is for Gd.

i have a question though, please answer, why are you guys going to heaven? Not being annoying or anything, I just want to know. Maybe I will be enlightened. And no that isnt sarcastic.

YIC
Zerashk

PS

Found this, love it

http://kingsenglish.info/2011/03/01/i-am-a-jealous-god/

[Zerasshol]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

Well guys, I am done for tonight. I have nothing against you. I accept the word of God. And yes i believe something different from you.

YIC
Zerashk

[Bob4God]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

*RECAP* in other words a shortened version of my post. But please read the whole thing its not that long.
1) There is nothing wrong with other races, religions, or traditions

Have you ever read the Bible?

But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. - Genesis 11:7

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. - Exodus 20:30

And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. - Exodus 20:3

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. - Isaiah 42:8

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; - Exodus 20:5

So you won't complain I cite only the Old Testament:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3:18

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. - 1 Corinthians 10:7

But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. - 1 Corinthians 10:20

How do you conclude after all this that "There is nothing wrong with other races, religions, or traditions"?

I guess I shouldn't expect you to know what the Bible says, since you're Catholic and all. (That means you're an idolater who uses a false Bible.)

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

I don't know where these catholics get this idea from that theirs was the first church

Maybe it has just become part of their dogma? A lie that magically becomes the truth because a bloke in a dress says it's so.

YiC

Jack

[A Follower]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

wow... guess i shouldnt have said anything. if i cant voice my opinions... then whatever.

You can have opinions, you can't have your own facts. Facts are the same for everyone, trying to claim differently is willful ignorance at best and lying otherwise.

When did God say creation happened in 7 days? The Bible does, but the Bible was written by humans. It is good. It is holy. but some of it, especially the first couple books, should not be taken literally.

God said it in the Bible. Jesus reaffirmed it. The Bible often directly quotes God and Jesus, so obviously He was involved in writing it.

In John 5:45-47 Jesus explains Moses wrote about Him, so if you believe Moses you believe Jesus and vice versa. Moses also said the world was created in 6 days (Exodus 20:11), and similarly Jesus has said there are 6 days for work and 1 day for rest.

And for you to decide what part of the Bible you should believe and what part not is an affront to any Christian. You are not God. You are not Jesus. You are not a prophet. You are nothing but a fallible human. God knows better than you, that's why He dictated the Bible as it is.

You cannot take the word of a non-Christian scientist and use that to replace the words of the God. What if tomorrow a scientist says it is impossible for a woman to become pregnant a virgin, would that mean you stop revering Mary? Would that mean you would not take the existence of Jesus literally? By not believing the Bible you have shown you are not Christian, you're not even Catholic.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

God says what is good, acceptable and perfect, not whatever the prevailing moral of non-Christians in the world might be.

Maybe it seemed like 7 days to God, because he is almighty and ageless. A hundred years could be only a second to him. So for him maybe it was 7 days. But for us? God is not restrained by our methods of telling time. he does not use our system. The world revolves around God, not around us.

Yes, time is different for God, a 1000 years in a day and the other way around. What if there was some other way of verifying which He meant?Reading Genesis shows us that God created plants before He created the sun. What do you think happens to plants when they don't have any sun for a thousand years (or a million or 4.5 to 6 billion years)? And when there are no insects to pollinate them?

You are right in saying that everything revolves around God, not around us, not around what we feel might be right or wrong, not what we think happened, but around what God says happened, around what God says how we should believe and act.

How dare you! Suggesting I know little about the bible. You know nothing about me except for one post.

And in that one post you have shown not to believe the Bible, you have insulted adults far more knowledgeable of the Bible, you have insulted God, you have lied about God. We dare judge you because that's what you deserve and that's what Jesus tells us to do. And in case you didn't know, judgment is not the same as vengeance. When you're done reading the Bible you might want to try a dictionary next.

Childish? i am affronted. What about it was childish? It could be that I am technically a child... but still. i am not that unrefined. i thinks its just you dont agree with me...

You are childish because you act like a child. You pick a few verses from the Bible and act as if those represent the entire Bible, and you put your fingers in your ears singing "na na na I can't hear you" when others try to educate you. You only care about what you think the Bible should say, not about what it actually says or what others, more wise than you, have to say, which means you are selfish and without empathy. Saying you are childish is doing you a kindness, because it shows we hope you can still learn empathy, we hope you're not yet locked into the asocial behavior you display.

@Bob4God when did I say you were awful? I dont remember it... please quote me. I am imploring you to! If I did I am sorry... I did not mean you are awful. Or any of you. AS I think I said in the post, I like God will hate not the people, only the actions.

Weird, a bad memory and a hypocritical attitude, how unexpected from a heathen...

You call us evil, you call us stupid, you call us bad persons, you call us illiterate, you call us racists, you call us angry haters, all within the first paragraph of your first post, but you don't judge people, right?

It is strange how evil people like you will always accuse others of the very offenses they themselves commit.

@Jedediah I am sorry for whatever it is i did... Why is it that, if i am not by your definition "saved" i cannot be here? Isnt that the point of this forum? To save people? To draw them into christ? That is my goal.

People aren't exactly going to get saved by you deceiving them about the nature of God. The purpose of this forum is to praise the Lord, to further increase the understanding of His will. To allow True Christians™ to have a place to meet and worship.

On a whole I think you guys ignored my main point. Which is, in a word, love.

Have your parents ever punished you? Have your parents ever pointed out you did something wrong? Have your parents ever given you advice on how to act and behave? According to your logic that must mean they don't love you, because any attempt at improving someone's behavior is judging, while accepting evil in your midst is your definition of love.

Well guess what? Jesus doesn't love like you do. Jesus loves people properly, He heals them, He tells them to sin no more. He curses a tree when it doesn't bear fruit in winter to display his power. He calls non-believers vipers and dogs. These are all examples of His love, His love showing us that we do not have to accept pedophiles in our midst, we do not have to accept liars, we do not have to accept lepers, we do not have to accept the poor. They must become Christian and sin no more and by that be healed in the name of the Lord.

Love governs everything. Gods love for us, our love for him, for our surroundings, for creation, for each other, that is what is important. Jesus said the first rule was to honor God above all. The second, to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said it, not me.

Interesting that you would use that verse, as Jesus directly quotes the OT there. The OT you said we should ignore and not take literally.

But more importantly, what kind of love is the love where you let someone run straight into Hell without any effort to stop him? Loving your neighbor as yourself means wanting your neighbor to be rewarded as yourself in Heaven, not letting your neighbor do whatever he wants so he can burn eternally. That is torture. Torture isn't love. That's why catholics can't love, they have such a long history of torture that they've forgotten completely what love means.

guys, lets be frank. Im not mad at you for responding like that. I would have done the same thing. I was ranting, and I deserved n infraction for it. But I tried to make a point, and you ignored it. From now on I will narrow focus, and do one thing at a time, and not rant.

Thanks, but no thanks, it was already very clear to us you are indeed mad, both in the angry and the crazy sense. You scream, yell, insult and lie. You are Christian but say the Bible shouldn't be believed. It would be well indeed if you had a narrow focus, a focus only on the straight and narrow gate to Heaven. (Matthew 7:13)

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Please don't take the Lord's name in vain. There is nothing "In Christ" about you. There is only "In Hell" in your very near future if you don't repent soon.

YIC,

A Follower

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

wow... guess i shouldnt have said anything. if i cant voice my opinions... then whatever.

You can voice it but that doesn't mean we're not going to rebuke you when you are talking nonsense.

That fluffy bunny drivel you posted effectively amounts to "I ignore all the bits of the Bible that I don't like and make God up inside my own head but have the nerve to still claim to subscribe to Christianity and the teachings of Jesus."

Why not have the courage to admit that you might as well be an atheist because you certainly don't believe in the God that we believe in. What's worse is that you have the arrogance to rebuke us for not believing in your God; which would be a bit difficult for us as we haven't made Him up like you and we can't read your mind.

The Bible is there as a reference guide to how God wants us to live our lives. It's not a grab bag for bits you like that fit YOUR needs, it's a statement of God's requirements or He will burn you forever.

[FGK1000]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

Now how can you prove ahteists are wrong by simply inducing your own ideas. Believing is not he same thing as provinding answers. In science, we do not answer questions but we show alternatives to what you believe, if you believe water is completely over used by humans my induction to you is simply, Why is the atmosphere blue? Why do we clearly see water everywhere? Why is there something called h20 coming out of my toilet as well as yours. If you do not know what H20 is, H20 is a molecule of oxygen bonded by two other hydrogen atoms. H20 has is a non polar molecule due to the fact that its polarity is pulled both direction by the oxygen hence making it neutral. As you like to put the bible as your only ressource of answers here are my sources for this paragraph:
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water
-http://www.aquadyntech.com/watermolecule.html
-http://www.shorstmeyer.com/wxfaqs/float/watermolec.html
-http://www.worldofmolecules.com/solvents/water.htm
-http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/aboutwater.html

Now for paragraph two. Assuming to the the Christian bible, humans have only lived around for 6000 years. We are at about 6 billion humans according to your induction. Now you say we need 2 L of water a day to survive. Surely you are wrong. You do not in count the water loss due to use of increased metabolism or relaxed metabolism. In metabolism, we use carbs for power exercise and fatty acids for prolonged atm production in excercise e.g jogging. Why do you lose weight when jogging? You use fatty acids and convert this into ATP for your citric acid cycle. You cannot lose 2L of water a day unless you were to augmentate your metabolism to sweat through your dermis or excessively peeing. I guarantee you it is impossible to die from dehydration within a period of 24 hours with 2L of fresh purified water assuming following circumstances; 23 degrees Celsius room temperature, 1 atm(pressure), low humidity level. Don't believe me? Try it for yourself and if you die, it would be a shame because it is impossible. Now moving to the fact that the earth is only 6000 years old. Not only is it possible to easily calculate the half life of Carbon. Is carbon important we must ask ourselves? Yes it is, you exhale enough carbon dioxide to fill the room you are in just by reading my post. Now, assuming the earth is 6000 years old. We must say that the earth started with Adam and Eve. Two individuals, the reproduction cycle of a human being is 9 months approximately. it would take them 9 months to produce a baby of 9 months that would probably have to reproduce with his or her brother lowering the gene pool per reproduction since the X and Y chromosomes are the same. Leading to a completely huge gene pool failure and finally infertile. Don't believe me? Get your kids to reproduce and keep tracking them as they go down the line. Come find me when your kids are infertile. Now back to the earth being 600 years old. Calculating the half-life of the carbon it is EASY TO PROVE THAT THE OLDEST LIVING SOURCE OF CYANOBACTERIA ARE STROMATOLITES. They are fossils too so... I suppose dinosaurs never existed and neither did Stromatolites. Now if we consumed 2L of water we would be running out of water. SO when you sweat you dont excrete NaCL + H20 + human trash our of your pores. Including when you pee and poo. You are telling me that if I didn't perform a simple distillation of your urea I would not be able to find distilled water? Why don't you go to Bear Grylls and ask him otherhands. We excrete more than 70% of the water we consume depending on the need of your blood system etc. When you drink a lot of beer, your kidney nephron needs to excrete the amount of H20 and alcohol consumed the the user.

Lastly, The water cycle, Have you ever wondered why your hands become dry once you air dry them? If it was a magic trick I would be richer than Bill Gates. When you take a hot shower in a confined room with no air ventilation does it not get quote " foggy ''? A Meteorologic term vastly used by any known human. The water cycle is very easy to understand, Water ( H20 ) boils at 100 Celsius, Once achieved higher than 100 Celsius this water evapotates into the air as a gas form. Don't believe me? Go see what happens when you boil your tea. Put your hand over the pot while it heats and if your hand gets warm and moist I dare you to call me a liar. Simple fact not science, FACT.

Now if we don't excrete water and there is no more water left since we all apparently drink 2 L of water each day from a unknown source that can't prove anything or show signs of research and money invested in....... Oh yes, I forgot to put this in, three quarters of the earth doesn't even have a source of clean water supply, Isn't that sad? yes it is and you aren't helping by taking your 15 Gallon baths. Call me a liar? GO look for yourself I'd be welcome to show you a map in Somalia where you can find people dying from dehydration every day. OH YES FLOODS, Huge floods are occuring in Thailand as we speak, want some pictures or that doesn't exist?

Cheers, I am not trying to hurt religions, IN RELIGIONS WE BELIEVE WE BELIEVE IN DEDUCTIONS, IN SCIENCE WE MUST FIRST INDUCT THEN DEDUCT THEN TEST OUR HYPOTHESES TO FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE THE FIRST STATED DEDUCTION AND TRY TO EXPLAIN IF IT WENT ACCORDING OR NOT.

Lastly for my uncorrected essay grammar, I agree with certain things the bible show us, it is a way of life it is a way of peace there is nothing wrong with following a book that has been around for 6000, it is the most popular book because it gives people hope, something to believe in, something to appreciate in life if times are hard. But not to decline every alternative that one may suppose.

Yours truely, FGK

[Brother Helge]

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with science

Why is there something called h20 coming out of my toilet as well as yours. If you do not know what H20 is,

No I don’t know what H20 is.
I do however know what H2O is.
To bad you've already been band for bad behavior, it would have been interesting to hear you explain what Aitch Twenty is.

Now, assuming the earth is 6000 years old. We must say that the earth started with Adam and Eve. Two individuals, the reproduction cycle of a human being is 9 months approximately. it would take them 9 months to produce a baby of 9 months that would probably have to reproduce with his or her brother lowering the gene pool per reproduction since the X and Y chromosomes are the same. Leading to a completely huge gene pool failure and finally infertile. Don't believe me?

No I don't believe you.
First - we don't assume the world is roughly 6000 yrs old.
We know it's a fact, as the Bible (KJV1611) tell us so.

Secondly - Adam and Eve were perfect.
They had no "genetically" flaws.
You clearly demonstrate that you don’t understand the concept of inbreeding.
As the genes from both Adam and Eve were flawless, there was no chance of increased homozygosity to happen.
Adam and Eves children were thus also perfect.
But due to Fall of (wo)man Sin became present in the world and started to corrupt the "genes" of man.
That is why modern people like yourself suffers from strange diseases like cancer, diabetes and the AIDS.

Once you get born again, Jesus makes you perfect and you will no longer suffer from such evil.

Shout Glory!