[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Okay, simply put: I would like to know, where are the places (shown in the diagrams), where the sun touches ground at sunrise and sunset?

This question cannot be answered for one simple reason. These places are not named because nobody has ever returned from them. The Sun goes down near the edge of the disc. Here the flow of water is so great (imagine the power of Niagara falls and times a thousand) that there is a point on no return that is similar to the 'event horizon' around theoretical 'black holes'. You could not ask somebody returning from a theoretical black hole to name the place they had been, the same applies to where the Sun sets.

YiC

Jack

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

This question cannot be answered for one simple reason. These places are not named because nobody has ever returned from them. The Sun goes down near the edge of the disc. Here the flow of water is so great (imagine the power of Niagara falls and times a thousand) that there is a point on no return that is similar to the 'event horizon' around theoretical 'black holes'. You could not ask somebody returning from a theoretical black hole to name the place they had been, the same applies to where the Sun sets.

YiC

Jack

This is really just common sense. I can't believe you have to actually explain this stuff to the unsaved trash. It just goes to show what the liberals have done to education.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

This question cannot be answered for one simple reason. These places are not named because nobody has ever returned from them. The Sun goes down near the edge of the disc. Here the flow of water is so great (imagine the power of Niagara falls and times a thousand) that there is a point on no return that is similar to the 'event horizon' around theoretical 'black holes'. You could not ask somebody returning from a theoretical black hole to name the place they had been, the same applies to where the Sun sets.

I understand. And how far would it be to the edge of the disc?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

I understand. And how far would it be to the edge of the disc?

The Bible does not say, so this information is not necessary for Salvation(tm). You should focus on saving your immortal soul from Hell, not on winning at trivial pursuit.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

The Bible does not say, so this information is not necessary for Salvation™. You should focus on saving your immortal soul from Hell, not on winning at trivial pursuit.

What is the purpose of creation science then?

I simply try to understand what has been said here about sunbeams so far. The sun is 500 miles high in the sky. So I was wondering: when the sun is right above me around noon, my shadow is at its shortest. But then, a friend at a place 500 miles away should have a long shadow like in the afternoon. But that does not happen. So something must be wrong here or am I wrong?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

What is the purpose of creation science then?

I am simply saying you should get right with Jesus before you go bothering True Christians(tm) about the nuances of scientheism. You need to get your priorities straight, boy. What is more important to you? Understanding reality? Or the fate of your immortal soul? You can have both, but your conclusions about reality should be based on presuppositions about the truth of the Bible and the existence of God.

[A Follower]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

What is the purpose of creation science then?

I simply try to understand what has been said here about sunbeams so far. The sun is 500 miles high in the sky. So I was wondering: when the sun is right above me around noon, my shadow is at its shortest. But then, a friend at a place 500 miles away should have a long shadow like in the afternoon. But that does not happen. So something must be wrong here or am I wrong?

Obviously you are wrong. Next time on a sunny noon look at your shadow and measure it, then jump into your car and drive the 500 miles to your friend. If you then measure his shadow you'll notice it is significantly longer than yours was, clearly proving the sun is closer than science claims.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

I am simply saying you should get right with Jesus before you go bothering True Christians™ about the nuances of scientheism. You need to get your priorities straight, boy. What is more important to you? Understanding reality? Or the fate of your immortal soul? You can have both, but your conclusions about reality should be based on presuppositions about the truth of the Bible and the existence of God.

I agree, why not have both? It should not be a contradiction. I did base my conclusion on presuppositions about the truth (what is said about the sun), as you say. But somehow it does not match reality.

Obviously you are wrong. Next time on a sunny noon look at your shadow and measure it, then jump into your car and drive the 500 miles to your friend. If you then measure his shadow you'll notice it is significantly longer than yours was, clearly proving the sun is closer than science claims.

It would take time to travel 500 miles, so I would have to measure my friends shadow the next day at noon. Instead I can simply call him and ask him to do it at the same time as I do. I can tell, there is hardly any difference in the length of shadows.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

What is the purpose of creation science then?

I simply try to understand what has been said here about sunbeams so far. The sun is 500 miles high in the sky. So I was wondering: when the sun is right above me around noon, my shadow is at its shortest. But then, a friend at a place 500 miles away should have a long shadow like in the afternoon. But that does not happen. So something must be wrong here or am I wrong?

Well your picture isn't to scale is it? The people or over 100 miles high. I will agree with you that a hundred mile high man would make quite a big shadow.

The problem with people like you is that you are trying to find problems with the details rather than looking at the big picture. Accept Jesus now and repent! If Jesus returns today what are you going to say when you are being judged? 'Sorry, I didn't have time to accept you as my Saviour. I was measuring shadows'.


You will have eternity to reflect on your folly.

YiC

Jack

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Well your picture isn't to scale is it? The people or over 100 miles high. I will agree with you that a hundred mile high man would make quite a big shadow.

It did not bother you, that the diagrams of MitzaLizalor are not to scale. My picture shall simply show the idea. Scale does not make a difference in that, the size of the shadow applies to the size of the person.

The problem with people like you is that you are trying to find problems with the details rather than looking at the big picture. Accept Jesus now and repent! If Jesus returns today what are you going to say when you are being judged? 'Sorry, I didn't have time to accept you as my Saviour. I was measuring shadows'.

I is not my wish to discredit your (or any others) faith. But this forum is about creation science and you claim to give "proof, that the sun is very close". As a true believer your faith does neither need proof nor science, I suppose. So what purpose do you have to "prove" a detail with science? On the one hand you present your detailed proof, but on the other hand, you say, my problem is, that I take a closer look at such details.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

not to scale.

my diagrams are not about geometry

the size of the shadow applies to the size of the person.

I thought you were saying that the length of the shadow applied to the position of the sun

when the sun is right above me around noon, my shadow is at its shortest.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

What is the purpose of creation science then?

There is none really so this is actually a good question. Some people feel sympathy for the unsaved and feel a need to explain things to them in ways that their brains might grasp seeing as they have been warped by science.

All you really need to do is read the Bible and see what you need to do to be saved and stop worrying about whether scientitsts who are bent on going to Hell anyway are right or not because they simply can't be unless they agree with the Bible.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

my diagrams are not about geometry

The diagrams were posted (not by you, but Alphonse Alban) to explain the position of the sun and how far the distance to the edge of the disc would be, when I watch the sunset. But the diagrams could not possibly answer my question, because they are not to scale. I did not nag about that, because I preferred to stay on topic rather than discussing scales.

I thought you were saying that the length of the shadow applied to the position of the sun

You are right, and according to that, a taller person will of course cast a longer shadow than a smaller person (you can easily try, if you don't think so). And no matter the person being tall or small, its shadow around noon must be at its shortest length, the same here as 500 miles away, and must not be a longer shadow like in the afternoon. The diagram simply shows this idea.

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

There is none really so this is actually a good question. Some people feel sympathy for the unsaved and feel a need to explain things to them in ways that their brains might grasp seeing as they have been warped by science.

All you really need to do is read the Bible and see what you need to do to be saved and stop worrying about whether scientitsts who are bent on going to Hell anyway are right or not because they simply can't be unless they agree with the Bible.

Okay, fair enough. I think science should not be mixed with faith then. Such an explanation must be sound, otherwise it does not explain anything but is misleading. As far as I can see, the "proof, that the sun is very close" does not hold. Anyone may keep his/her faith, which is beyond question, but there is no point in defending obviously wrong conclusions (as some people do here).

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

The diagrams were posted (not by you, but Alphonse Alban) to explain the position of the sun and how far the distance to the edge of the disc would be, when I watch the sunset. But the diagrams could not possibly answer my question, because they are not to scale. I did not nag about that, because I preferred to stay on topic rather than discussing scales.



You are right, and according to that, a taller person will of course cast a longer shadow than a smaller person (you can easily try, if you don't think so). And no matter the person being tall or small, its shadow around noon must be at its shortest length, the same here as 500 miles away, and must not be a longer shadow like in the afternoon. The diagram simply shows this idea.

Everybody's shadow is shortest at noon. We already know that. You might like to read The Bible more often and learn how to distinguish the columns (or pillars) of the earth from the columns/pillars of heaven. The feature does appear on my diagram, but is not front centre because the thread was not about that.

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NOTE: the basic drawing showing true cosmology is generally available.
The details you are talking about are mine however. added to the "template"