[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

1) The earth is 6,000 years old, therefore dinosaurs cannot have walked the earth. Seriously? The earth is 4.5 billion years old (approximately). 99.999999% of all scientists on the planet believe this to be a fact.

Why should anyone believe in scientists when they keep changing their minds? Today the earth is 4.5 billion years old, tomorrow it's a trillion years old. The things so-called scientists have believed in and reneged over the years is astounding. It would be funny if so many people didn't teach their children and encourage them to be willing dupes of Satan by rejecting the Truth and embracing that which changes at the whim of man's fancy.

A list of examples of scientific beliefs later declared obsolete and embarrasing:

Biology

• Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s).
• Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution.
• Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects.
• Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air. “
• Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny".
• Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents
• Out of Asia theory of human origin

Astronomy and cosmology

• Luminiferous aether theory

Geography and climate

• Hollow Earth theory

Medicine

• Theory of the four bodily humors
• Physiognomy
• Phrenology

And entire branches of inquiry now known to be completely obsolete

• Alchemy
• Astrology
• Phrenology

[Not-a-Moron]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

Why should anyone believe in scientists when they keep changing their minds? Today the earth is 4.5 billion years old, tomorrow it's a trillion years old. The things so-called scientists have believed in and reneged over the years is astounding. It would be funny if so many people didn't teach their children and encourage them to be willing dupes of Satan by rejecting the Truth and embracing that which changes at the whim of man's fancy.

A list of examples of scientific beliefs later declared obsolete and embarrasing:

Biology

• Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s).
• Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution.
• Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects.
• Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air. “
• Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny".
• Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents
• Out of Asia theory of human origin

Astronomy and cosmology

• Luminiferous aether theory

Geography and climate

• Hollow Earth theory

Medicine

• Theory of the four bodily humors
• Physiognomy
• Phrenology

And entire branches of inquiry now known to be completely obsolete

• Alchemy
• Astrology
• Phrenology

The discarding of those theories is exactly why you should respect science. Modern science bases current theories on all of the available facts, including any experiments that can be done (over and over) to prove or disprove a fact. Theories are discarded all the time in favor of new information. Science does not claim to have the exact truth, just the best possible theories to fit the facts.

However, to create a theory that doesn't fit any facts and call it truth just because it says it in a 2000 year old book is ridiculous.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

The discarding of those theories is exactly why you should respect science. Modern science bases current theories on all of the available facts, including any experiments that can be done (over and over) to prove or disprove a fact. Theories are discarded all the time in favor of new information. Science does not claim to have the exact truth, just the best possible theories to fit the facts.

However, to create a theory that doesn't fit any facts and call it truth just because it says it in a 2000 year old book is ridiculous.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. We should respect science because it can't make up its mind, throws ideas away when they become embarrassing, and jump after whatever new idea is most fashionable.

However, to consider the Truth™ found in most widely printed, published, distributed, read, and believed book in the world, one that has been found by objective sources to be without mistake or error, one that has predictive qualities is ridiculous.

And for this we should take you seriously?

[Not-a-Moron]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

"Let me see if I understand you correctly. We should respect science because it can't make up its mind, throws ideas away when they become embarrassing, and jump after whatever new idea is most fashionable. "

You deliberately chose to ignore what I wrote and made up something else instead. Clearly, you are an imbecile. It's not that science "can't make up its mind" it's that science chooses to not make up its mind, always looking for more information, always learning, always changing to include new information as we discover it.

Science also does not "throw away ideas when they become embarrassing," they discard ideas when a theory that fits the facts better becomes available.

Science does not "jump after whatever new idea is most fashionable." That is the most ridiculous statement of all. New theories are accepted because they fit the facts, not because they are "fashionable."

Let me see if I can demonstrate this to you. Since information clearly changes between the time you read it on the page and the time it makes it to your brain, it will be difficult, but I will try.

People used to believe that the earth was flat (yes, I know. You people still do, something that I plan to address with a YouTube video soon). Around the 6th century, someone proposed a round earth theory. It was not accepted at the time, and in fact, it did not become accepted by science until there was evidence to support it. When ships were able to sail around the world, people realized that the facts did not support the flat earth theory. By the time that Columbus sailed the ocean blue, in 1492, it was a widely accepted theory (which for all intents and purposes means fact, but science is not to so arrogant as to assume just because they have a theory that fits the facts that it is the only possible solution, which is why they are called theories).

When the facts proved that the earth was definitely not flat, scientists stopped believing it. Just as they did with all of the theories you listed. That what good science does. It discards what is obviously not true. If you people shared that same thirst for the truth you would discard all that crap you believe from the bible and start seeking out the truth, and understanding how our world works and the miracle of creation is worth a billion "religious experiences."

As for the bible being the most published/read/believed/etc. book in the world, that is true, but the Quran is only second by a very small margin on all of those factors. Does that mean it is the second truest book? Does the fact that something is popular mean it's true? 'Harry Potter Series' was some of the most popular books of the 20th century - does the popularity of the series mean that it must be true?

As for believing that the bible is without error or mistake, you obviously haven't done your research. The bible is full of mistakes and errors, not to mention abominable morality. I won't cite the hundreds of mistakes and errors, but I will include one or two as an example. We all know the value of pi is 3.141592653etc but according to I Kings that's incorrect. Ridiculous. Also, its kind of strange that all those satellites that run our cellphones were able to make it through the "firmament" that is supposed to make a roof over our "flat earth." Good lord. How can you believe this crap?

As for the 2500 or so "prophecies" that are supposed to have come true, almost all of them have only "come true" because it says they did in the bible. There is no outside evidence for any of them. The rest - they are so vague that how could you possibly call them prophecy? "There will be wars and rumors of wars." Good heck, that's like making a prophecy saying "People will eat food and drink water and have sex." OF COURSE THEY WILL! People have been warring their entire existence, it is not a stretch to think they would keep on doing it.

Anyway, I'm done with this forum. I thought that by giving you some factual information, you might actually close your bible and do some real research. That's obviously not going to happen, so I'm going to quit wasting my time.

[I Man Rastafari]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

Very many words that have been removed for the sake of brevity.

Gabriel you must be a scientist! You seem to have a fine overstanding of many things but I think you are wrong some too. Why do you think the Earth is so old? That cannot be.

These white people are very friendly but they do not appreciate very intelligent people coming to their forum and trying to tell them they are wrong. And especially when the smart stranger is usually wrong. Why do not you act friendly and let these Baptists tell you about Jesus?

[Not-a-Moron]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

"Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead. "



Your signature. Wow. What an incredible display of hate and prejudice.


Imagine if my signature said something like:

I'm interested in being friends with you if 1) you do not have any limbs missing 2) you do not say "dude" or "totes" 3) you do not listen to rap or heavy metal and only listen to the kinds of music I like 4) you don't watch any movies that I think are stupid 5) you don't say things that annoy me 6) you don't ever pass gas or blow your nose, cause those things are gross 7) you are not fat or ugly or have an annoying voice or 8) you are not poor or collecting welfare or driving a crappy car or living in a house smaller than 4 bedrooms. If any of those things are true, you should be killed because society would be better off without you.

See how that sounds? Seriously, close the bible and join my world. We accept and love people despite their shortcomings and we seek out the truth no matter where it takes us.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

Clearly, you are an imbecile.

We tolerate many things here, but rudeness to a True Christian(tm) is not allowed.

No more warnings on that issue.

[Not-a-Moron]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

We tolerate many things here, but rudeness to a True Christian™ is not allowed.

No more warnings on that issue.

From what I've seen, your intolerance is in epic proportions. This will be my last post here. I have wasted too much time explaining things to people who are too thickheaded to understand them. I have things to do.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

From what I've seen, your intolerance is in epic proportions. This will be my last post here. I have wasted too much time explaining things to people who are too thickheaded to understand them. I have things to do.

Don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.



Oh, and check Romans 13:1-7 for why you were infracted.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

From what I've seen, your intolerance is in epic proportions. This will be my last post here. I have wasted too much time explaining things to people who are too thickheaded to understand them. I have things to do.

We are not surprised when another unsaved wretch comes to this site to explain things to us. None of your drivel is new material. We have heard all this nonsense a hundred times and every one of you fools thinks he has all the answers. It is also common for your tribe of hateful, God hating zealots to get angry when we don't see things your way, especially now that you have explained your opinions. That said, you really seem to be foaming at the mouth. I expect the Lord will call you home before too long. Then, you can tell Him all about your theories.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

First, my username was supposed to be missing the second 'M' but apparently this forum auto-corrects the word M-O-R-O-N with "Mormon."

Also, my name is Gabriel. I wanted to address some of the questions that came up as I was reading this thread.

Hello, Gabriel. Your efforts to answer these questions are deeply appreciated. However, they might be fruitless for two reasons:

1) Faith in this lovely community is stronger than actual evidence,
2) When you defend the scientific point of view, it is advisable to fact-check what you're actually saying -- in other words, to actually know what you're saying.

For instance:

1) The earth is 6,000 years old, therefore dinosaurs cannot have walked the earth. Seriously? The earth is 4.5 billion years old (approximately). 99.999999% of all scientists on the planet believe this to be a fact. There is a mountain of evidence for it. Carbon-14 dating has proved it,

Not at all. C14 dating is useful only for recent remains, up to 40,000 years, and is not particularly reliable even within that period. Therefore, it is not useful in geology, unless you're dating something from the end of the Pleistocene: a very tiny portion of the geologic time.

There is more evidence for this fact than there is for the bible actually being 2000 years old, and there is a lot of evidence of the bible's age.

If you knew anything about the age of the Bible you'd know that most of it is not 2000 years old - most of it is much older.

2) Dinosaur fossils are not made out of rock, nor are they bones. A fossil is an impression left in rock.

You're thinking of a cast. Like what people burned alive by God's intervention in the form of a volcano eruption in Pompeii.

A fossil is an actual bone, not a cast, actually turned into stone, or fossilized.

Eight people have given definitions of fossils and not one bothered to actually look up the definition first.

Did you count yourself in this number?

The first fossil that we know of for sure was discovered in 1676 in England. It was a massive femur.

Nope. People have been digging up fossils since Antiquity.

So, you only allow people who believe exactly like you do on this forum? What is the purpose of having a forum where anyone can register if you delete everyone who you don't agree with.

Hello! Have you bothered to see the name and domain of this website? It is "Landover Baptist Church Forum." Not "let's just talk about anything forum."

You claim to be enlightened and open-minded,

They do?! Now I'm truly intrigued.

That's so loving and Christ-like.

I think if you knew anything about Christ you'd agree that this lovely community follows His example very closely.

From what I've seen, your intolerance is in epic proportions. This will be my last post here. I have wasted too much time explaining things to people who are too thickheaded to understand them. I have things to do.

While you're not "wasting" your time on this forum, I do hope that you'll spend it learning about science which you seem to believe in but not know much about.

...Just like many Christians feel about the Bible.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

...I have wasted too much time explaining things to people who are too thickheaded to understand them. I have things to do.

They feel the same way, believe me.

Bye!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

"Hello, my name is Mary.<Christian sentiments snipped>I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead."

Nothing wrong there.

Imagine if my signature said something like:

I'm interested in being friends with you if [Hateful personal opinion deleted.] you should be killed because society would be better off without you.

See how that sounds?

Yes. You sound like a psychopath. Are you?

Son, you need treating with Weapons' Grade Christianity to drive those demons out.

[Back against wall]

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I have wasted too much time

Great Scott, you're right! QUICK ... Back to the DeLorean!

[Brother Edward]

Re: Dinosaurs: Satan's Greatest Trick

Science does not "jump after whatever new idea is most fashionable." That is the most ridiculous statement of all. New theories are accepted because they fit the facts, not because they are "fashionable."

Last I checked the Holy Bible has not changed since it was written by God (2 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 13:8). But Evolution has been changing faster than the Florida weather forecast, with new theories and journals of "peer reviewed" toilet paper being published every day. Talk about building your house on the sand and not the hard rock of Christ!(Matthew 7:24-27, 1 Corinthians 10:4)