[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The giraffe is the best example.

Have you ever actually seen a giraffe? They eat leaves off the tops of trees! They also eat grass. They prance. They leap. They drink from waterholes and climb things (rocks).

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The most widely accepted, scientifically substantiated theory is the theory of evolution. The evidence that is provided through decades of studies have all linked back to a common ancestor as well as a genetic relation to the primates that inhabit the earth today. You have yet to offer any scientific evidence to prove that God exists. You also have yet to offer any evidence that anything that claims to have occurred in the Bible is true. I already said, I'd donate 20 dollars to the forum if you could prove to me that something out of the Bible is true. With evidence.

The more widely accepted, scripturally substantiated notion is that the God exist. This notion is way, way older than Evolution theory. And you expect from us to prove you His existence, not the other way around? Again, you came here and claim His nonexistence, not the other way around.

First we have to establish true / false criteria; is it true what corresponds to reality? Can we agree that at least what is tangible, what we can see, touch and feel is true?

YiC, DUH

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you ever actually seen a giraffe? They eat leaves off the tops of trees! They also eat grass. They prance. They leap. They drink from waterholes and climb things (rocks).

Yes, they eat grass now. When grass was scarce, most likely during a period of long-term darkness or even an ice-age of sorts prevented grass from growing, the giraffe's with longer necks were able to stay alive by eating the plants that were unreachable by other animals, including the giraffes that did not have the longer necks.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

But gravity doesn't have people running around recruiting new members by the day, asking for money, and explained by a three thousand year old text book...

Let’s say that scientists don’t need to run around and ask for money (what is not true), then who’s financing their “scientific efforts”? Do they sell their products and services on free market?

Besides, we didn’t ask you for money; you offered donation on your own.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The more widely accepted, scripturally substantiated notion is that the God exist. This notion is way, way older than Evolution theory. And you expect from us to prove you His existence, not the other way around? Again, you came here and claim His nonexistence, not the other way around.

First we have to establish true / false criteria; is it true what corresponds to reality? Can we agree that at least what is tangible, what we can see, touch and feel is true?

YiC, DUH

Yes, but relying on a single book written thousands of years ago to dictate the presence of an afterlife isn't exactly the best material for proving that God exists. In fact, it's probably not working in your favor at all. Essentially, God hasn't done shit in a few thousand years. Tangible would be seeing, touching, smelling, hearing, and feeling (not with your heart, with your physical senses) as well as measurable and can be reproduced by another person independent of your own experience.

[mandrake137]

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Let’s say that scientists don’t need to run around and beg for money (what is not true), then who’s financing their “scientific efforts”? Do they sell their products and services on free market?

Well, most scientific efforts are funded through grants from private foundations, government grants, educational grants. Most scientists do sell their product on the free marketplace. If you've ever touched a computer, television, cd, plastic, glasses, alcohol, paint, or just about anything else you can think of, it's a product of scientific innovation.

And I'm not talking about my money, I'm talking about the billions of dollars that are scammed out of people every week who attend church and donate their money.

[Jack O'fagan]

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Are you kidding me? What is there blind faith about? Genetics is blind faith? Science is blind faith? There are burdens of proof in science. There is none in religion. I think it's hilarious how you can sit there and mock me when you have zero physical proof of the existence of God. Zero. Show me one thing that proves that God exists. Proof requires evidence, and evidence requires a scientific method. You can't do it and you know you can't do it. Telling me to "look at God's creation" isn't proof. In fact, it's probably the furthest thing away from the truth you can get.

If you can prove to me that any part of the Bible is real, I'll donate 20 dollars to this forum.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml

This is for little kids, it shows the scientific method. If you can follow it and prove to me one part of the Bible is true, I'll donate the money.

You would say that we are a collection of atoms and we work because of a series of electrical impulses. That is also a description of my laptop computer. Does my laptop know it's a laptop? Is it conscious of its existence? No.

Why do we have consciousness? Because we are made in the image of God. Do you have a better explanation?

YiC

Jack

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Yes, but relying on a single book written thousands of years ago to dictate the presence of an afterlife isn't exactly the best material for proving that God exists. In fact, it's probably not working in your favor at all. Essentially, God hasn't done shit in a few thousand years. Tangible would be seeing, touching, smelling, hearing, and feeling (not with your heart, with your physical senses) as well as measurable and can be reproduced by another person independent of your own experience.

I can see you are already back-paddling and ducking answers on simple questions. Let me quote your promise:

...If you can follow it and prove to me one part of the Bible is true, I'll donate the money.

Again, do you accept the following criteria:

First we have to establish true / false criteria; is it true what corresponds to reality? Can we agree that at least what is tangible, what we can see, touch and feel is true?

Well, most scientific efforts are funded through grants from private foundations, government grants, educational grants. Most scientists do sell their product on the free marketplace. If you've ever touched a computer, television, cd, plastic, glasses, alcohol, paint, or just about anything else you can think of, it's a product of scientific innovation...

So we have established that science is laregly funded by voluntarly and unvolutanrly grants; all taxpayers have to partcipate at it. Next, scientists don't develope or sell computers, television, cd, etc. Learn the difference between industrial R&D and marketing on one side and science on the other one.

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À propos, can we agree that causality is a basic assumption of secular science? Hence, what has allegedly triggered the Big Bang if in before it there allegedly wasn’t anything: no matter, no energy, nor space-time continuum?

YiC, DUH

[Dan U. Holier]

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...If you can prove to me that any part of the Bible is real, I'll donate 20 dollars to this forum...

Let's begin at the beginning. Okay, you believe there's no God, but can you find any part of the following verses that corresponds with reality?

Genesis 1:1-3

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

For instance, is there light or not?

YiC, DUH

[Cquhwipp]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Exactly. If the earth was billions of years old, humans and animals would've drank it all up. We would have no oceans. Yet the oceans take up 75% of the globe!

I think you could also make a similar argument with oxygen. If humans existed for billions of years like the Darwinists, claim, we would've ran out of air too!

And yet if you try bringing this up to a biology professor, he just laughs at your face. Believe me, it's happened more than once.

Humanity hasn't been around for billions of years, unlike the earth. Darwinist's don't believe humanity has been around for that long, let alone 100 million years. Maybe the biology professor was laughing because you haven't tried to understand what Darwinism is.

Science can create the internet for you but you won't let it try and teach you simple ideas. God creates man, man leaves God, man discovers technology, man develops technology, man finds proof creationism could be wrong. I am not saying that God did not put man on earth to either destroy it, or make it a sanctuary, I am saying that it is very possible that events happened in the universe that God had formulated, and then life began on earth, and over many billions of years God finally saw fit to give one of the species on earth a grand gesture by making that species in his image through evolution.

The Ussher chronology which is what I am assuming is used by this community to suggest that God created the earth at that time. Would it not be more reasonable to say God reintroduced Himself to humanity in an effort to guide them towards a future of good, love and prosperity? Or is the whole idea of dinosaurs in the ground just the way God screws with His chosen species? The Ussher Chronolgy was made about 300 years ago... That really isn't a long time before the Darwinism theory was suggested. 100+ years really does not make that much of a difference for this topic.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Ok, let's say for a minute that you're in my shoes. Someone comes up to you and says "hey, there's this invisible guy in the sky who grants wishes if you're good and when you die he'll take your dead body into his house in the clouds where you'll be joined with all the other people who have been good and believed in him." Then the guy says to you, "oh, and he's got all the power in the world, and all the knowledge of everything that's ever happened and going to happen, but he needs you to donate money every week to the leader of our group." Then he says "make sure you involve your whole family because you want them to go to his house in the clouds as well, but make sure that they also bring money to donate as well." Then the man says "but to be truly a part of our group, you have to get your head dunked under water, and you have to eat bread and wine which is symbolic of eating the flesh of his son and drinking his blood."

Doesn't it seem strange that someone with omnipotence would require earthly things like money, require you to participate in metaphorical cannibalism, and then keep spreading the lie to everyone you meet because you feel some sick sense of happiness by doing all this?

OK - silly childish details aside - there IS a God. We know this because we have been told it and we have the Bible as a consistent and perfect record. We also experience the Holy Spirit and see daily proofs of His existence. Just because you aren't sufficiently attuned because of your determination to spit in His face doesn't make it untrue.

And what do you choose to do about it? Sit and yell "Me no like! Me refuse to see!"

As for why God does things or wants us to do things; we aren't meant to understand, God has repeatedly told us this.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The most widely accepted, scientifically substantiated theory is the theory of evolution. The evidence that is provided through decades of studies have all linked back to a common ancestor as well as a genetic relation to the primates that inhabit the earth today. You have yet to offer any scientific evidence to prove that God exists. You also have yet to offer any evidence that anything that claims to have occurred in the Bible is true. I already said, I'd donate 20 dollars to the forum if you could prove to me that something out of the Bible is true. With evidence.

Actually I'm fairly certain that a much more widely accepted theory and one which you can't get many people to disagree with is that if you refuse to breathe, you die. That you need food to eat and water to drink.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Yes, they eat grass now. When grass was scarce, most likely during a period of long-term darkness or even an ice-age of sorts prevented grass from growing, the giraffe's with longer necks were able to stay alive by eating the plants that were unreachable by other animals, including the giraffes that did not have the longer necks.

That's not even the current most accepted theory about the giraffe's neck but do carry on treating us like we're simpletons and know nothing of evolutionary science.

[goldengoblin]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReV0nCuObcs

Father George Coyne, former director of the Vatican Observatory

how is it you people can argue against a scientific principle of evaporation based on your holy scriptures written between 2000 BC and about 200 AD?? Modern science as we know it today is only a few hundred years old, so it's obvious that even the knowledge of a simple concept as evaporation was not known in the times of the bible.

As for Darwin, whom you also seem to have problems with, his basic idea is that living things with a favorable trait survived better than those without it, allowing the favorable traits to be passed on for generations this idea is called evolution or "survival of the fittest"

You cannot use your bible to rightfully dispute any scientific fact, i'm sorry that you are so dense that you cannot understand these concepts on your own and then chose to be all defensive about it and attack those not believing as you do. Next your gonna tell me that Islam is the most violent of all religions too?

[Jack O'fagan]

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You would say that we are a collection of atoms and we work because of a series of electrical impulses. That is also a description of my laptop computer. Does my laptop know it's a laptop? Is it conscious of its existence? No.

Why do we have consciousness? Because we are made in the image of God. Do you have a better explanation?

YiC

Jack

I would really like an answer to this. Atheists think they are oh so clever so it should be easy.

Jack