[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Angelic ancestors

You shouldn't quote nonsense, it isn't good for you.

I can cast pearls before swine and I may lead horses to water.

I can give you two oneliners who illustrate how you should live your life: "Carpe diem" and "hic et nunc".

Why do you lapse into that devilish tongue? That’s Latin – are you a servant of the antichrist, the vicar of Rome?

This aside, you see, God has lead you here that you may define your own problem and, in Him, find its solution: in your extreme youth, you lack experience of the world and its ways, the Bible (KJV1611) has already addressed the cry of “Carpe diem” We Christians have seized the Day of Our Lord’s Resurrection, taken its message and found Salvation™.

On the humorous side, secularists say that “Carpe diem” means “The fish is God”! (carp is a fish – diem is like Deus, I thought I ought to explain that to you) but in doing so, they forget that
(a) the fish is the sign of Christ as seen on so many automobiles
(b) St Peter’s Fish is a living proof of the holiness of Christ and His disciples.

So the score at half-time is God 2 : Heathens 0

We now look at "hic et nunc" and we read here

The result is that the term church, in accordance with the polluted pattern of our reductionistic and relativistic age, has been shorn of its transcendent character, stripped of its Christological essence, divested of its soteriological dimension, and has become ingloriously bogged down in the shifting quicksand of rank immanentism, that is, the deplorable fixation with satisfying and serving the demands of the hic et nunc, of the here and now. At best, current evangelicalism portrays, as one writer has said, “a jellyfish kind of Christianity– one without any distinctive bone, muscle, sinew? one that is a very distant relative to that witnessed in Scripture.

So at the end of the game, the final score is God 3 : Heathens 0

No surprises there – Jesus always wins.

PS, I'm sorry about the big words in the final quotation. If you want to know what they mean, ask a grown up person. Basically the quote means that you young people just want everything NOW without work or payment.

[Peter]

Re: Angelic ancestors

I can cast pearls before swine and I may lead horses to water.
Why do you lapse into that devilish tongue? That’s Latin – are you a servant of the antichrist, the vicar of Rome?
Latin was originally the language of the Roman, and those oneliners were made by Roman philosophers. You lose, I win.

This aside, you see, God has lead you here that you may define your own problem and, in Him, find its solution: in your extreme youth, you lack experience of the world and its ways, the Bible (KJV1611) has already addressed the cry of “Carpe diem” We Christians have seized the Day of Our Lord’s Resurrection, taken its message and found Salvation™.



On the humorous side, secularists say that “Carpe diem” means “The fish is God”! (carp is a fish – diem is like Deus, I thought I ought to explain that to you) but in doing so, they forget that
(a) the fish is the sign of Christ as seen on so many automobiles
(b) St Peter’s Fish is a living proof of the holiness of Christ and His disciples.


Carpe diem: the literal translation "carpe" means "harvest" and "diem" means "day", your explanation of "diem" to be "god" is wrong, "deus" means god and "fish in Latin is "pisces".
A non-literal translation of "carpe diem" is seize the day. So you lose that one. You don't get a point for it.
So the score at half-time is "god" 0 : Scientists 2

We now look at "hic et nunc" and we read here

No surprises there – Jesus always wins. (Like when he was crucified??? Not a big victory if you ask me. And NO he didn't resurrect.)

PS, I'm sorry about the big words in the final quotation. If you want to know what they mean, ask a grown up person. Basically the quote means that you young people just want everything NOW without work or payment.

Hic et nunc means "here and now", so actually it is used to say that you should enjoy your life, because when you're dead it's over, nothing, no heaven nor hell.
And you can't escape the last one, even with worshipping a false idol (like your "god") you can't escape from it. Religious people ruin there entire life worshipping an imaginary person. Why? Because they think that there is an afterlife. And there ain't no afterlife.
End of the match: "god": still 0 Scientists:4.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Angelic ancestors

Haha! You can twist and squirm and misspell "their" all you like, Peter, but Brother Bathfire has written you into a corner.

He was making a rather finely-tuned joke with "carp god" (as he said, that part of his comment was "on the humorous side") but -- like most sour, God-hating fools -- you were just too thick to twig.

I would be interested if you can prove that there is no afterlife. What you have to do here is not just say that there is no evidence that there is an afterlife; your task is to show that there is specific, positive evidence that no afterlife exists. In other words, show evidence proving that no spiritual afterlife is possible.

Good luck on that. It is a rough test.

~~ OEJ

[just Jimi]

Re: Angelic ancestors

The fact that I don't see proof of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, you can't prove a negative, get it in your small, puny, chocolate-filled brain.

At least we have something in our brain....

[Dr. Santiago Solo]

Re: Angelic ancestors

At least we have something in our brain....

Mmmm, chocolate...

[Sommanol Beatmeup]

Re: Angelic ancestors

Haha! You can twist and squirm and misspell "their" all you like, Peter, but Brother Bathfire has written you into a corner.
baptists 0-4 scientists, says enough.

He was making a rather finely-tuned joke with "carp god" (as he said, that part of his comment was "on the humorous side") but -- like most sour, God-hating fools -- you were just too thick to twig.
Dude, you guys s*ck in humour.

I would be interested if you can prove that there is no afterlife. What you have to do here is not just say that there is no evidence that there is an afterlife; your task is to show that there is specific, positive evidence that no afterlife exists. In other words, show evidence proving that no spiritual afterlife is possible.
Where would that afterlife be:
1) heaven. There have been many space trips, and non of them has seen something like a heaven.
2) Hell. It is commonly known that there is only rock, magma etc under the surface. No such thing as hell.

Good luck on that. It is a rough test.
For fun: 0-5

~~ OEJ

Indeed oei.

Hic et nunc means "here and now", so actually it is used to say that you should enjoy your life, because when you're dead it's over, nothing, no heaven nor hell.
And you can't escape the last one, even with worshipping a false idol (like your "god") you can't escape from it. Religious people ruin there entire life worshipping an imaginary person. Why? Because they think that there is an afterlife. And there ain't no afterlife.
End of the match: "god": still 0 Scientists:4.

Nice solo!

Mmmm, chocolate...

Why are you thinking of chocolate in this thread. That's like homer (from The Simpsons): SSSST! I'm thinking! Mmmm, peanuts..

[Herr_Doktor Phd.]

Re: Angelic ancestors

At least we have something in our brain....

You smell like an unwashed sock puppet.

[Peter]

Re: Angelic ancestors

You smell like an unwashed sock puppet.

How can you smell something over the internet?

[Dr. Santiago Solo]

Re: Angelic ancestors

How can you smell something over the internet?

You smell like chocolate.

[Sommanol Beatmeup]

Re: Angelic ancestors

You smell like an unwashed sock puppet.

You smell like chocolate.

Do I smell childishness here..

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Angelic ancestors

Do I smell childishness here..

Does anyone else smell hammers?

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Angelic ancestors

Sommanol, in response to my challenge to prove no spiritual afterlife is possible:

Where would that afterlife be:
1) heaven. There have been many space trips, and non of them has seen something like a heaven.
2) Hell. It is commonly known that there is only rock, magma etc under the surface. No such thing as hell.

Friend, your post is irrelevant to the challenge.

Suppose that at death souls are transported outside the Universe to the holy dimension which God inhabits -- a dimension beyond space and beyond time? Your argument is then irrelevant. (The Christian astrophysicist Gerardus Bouw proposes that the Throne of God exists "outside" the spacetime universe, for example.)

Or suppose that souls are preserved on a dimensional plane -- a holy spiritual plane -- which exists in the Universe but is invisible to physical science?

What you have attacked are the medieval ideas of Heaven and Hell, not the possibility of an afterlife. I can think of arguments which -- although not final and not absolute -- are at least stronger than your attack on Medieval cosmogony.

Give it another shot. You're a bright fellow. Take a hint from physics, and think about mechanisms for the survival of a soul.

~~ OEJ

[Herr_Doktor Phd.]

Re: Angelic ancestors

How can you smell something over the internet?

A sock puppet is an account that is under the control of another user, and has the purpose of creating the illusion of another online persona, or giving the illusion of support.

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sock_puppet

That, my friend definitely comes with an odor that can smelt over the internet.

[just Jimi]

Re: Angelic ancestors

You smell like chocolate.

What do you have against chocolate?
It's so sweet and tasty...
hmmmm.......chocolate........*drewl*.....hmmmm....

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Angelic ancestors

What do you have against chocolate?
It's so sweet and tasty...
hmmmm.......chocolate........*drewl*.....hmmmm....

As I see it, chocolate came from the Incas and other similar heathens: (i) it is thus heathen, (ii) Cortez slaughtered them all because they were heathens and stole chocolate for the pope (iii) therefore not only is chocolate heathen, it is tainted by the Antichrist, the vicar of Rome, otherwise known as the pope!

Spit it out! Your very soul is at risk!