[OnYourKnees]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

A cristal clear contradiction of exodus 22:18? You already said that, and I already said that then the bible contradicts itself because of the ten commandments. You interpetrate it as 'you must/may kill witchens' while the commandments say 'dont kill a person at all'.

You are saying that you are trying to prove the bible itself wrong?

I already pointed out that this is one of the occasions you were contradicting yourself, as I have already said in my previous post. But since you tend not to read that that's too hard for you...

And I have already pointed out to YOU that the Hebrew word in the Ten Commandments is for "MURDER" not "KILL". To Murder someone is not the same as to Execute someone.

When King James' people wrote it in English, God told them to write Kill because people were then smart enough to figure out that the Ten Commandments were telling God's People how to treat EACH OTHER, not how to treat infidels. However, you apparently can't grasp that concept.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Executing = killing on purpose
killing on purpose = murder

Even you should understand that...

And the ten commandments were given to 'men' and not 'His people', or are you saying that the group of Jews that received them followed the absolute truth?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Executing = killing on purpose
killing on purpose = murder

Even you should understand that...

And the ten commandments were given to 'men' and not 'His people', or are you saying that the group of Jews that received them followed the absolute truth?

No. Executing is killing as punishment, as directed by God.

Murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons.

Justifiable homicide, of course, is killing in self-defense.

Have you ever read the Bible?

WHO received the Ten Commandments? YOU tell ME.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Mozes did. And he brought them to the jews, none of them was a Christian yet because Jesus hadnt been born yet.

Justifiable homicide isn't murder, and therefor it is alowed by the comandments. And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right.

You may punish witches, but kill them? No.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Mozes did. And he brought them to the jews, none of them was a Christian yet because Jesus hadnt been born yet.

Justifiable homicide isn't murder, and therefor it is alowed by the comandments. And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right.

You may punish witches, but kill them? No.

We don't kill witches, the witches kill themselves friend. The Bible says the "blood is on their own head". Witches commit Christian assisted suicide.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Haha, Christian assisted suicide! Good one

Its not that I want to protect them, but still. You're not supposed to murder and in my eyes its wrong.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

A cristal clear contradiction of exodus 22:18? You already said that, and I already said that then the bible contradicts itself because of the ten commandments. You interpetrate it as 'you must/may kill witchens' while the commandments say 'dont kill a person at all'.

You are saying that you are trying to prove the bible itself wrong?

I already pointed out that this is one of the occasions you were contradicting yourself, as I have already said in my previous post. But since you tend not to read that that's too hard for you...

Are you saying that God is a murderer?
Because that'd be the logical conclusion of your interpretation.

GOD Himself, the very lawgiver Himself, commands us to kill witches, thus it cannot be murder!
Or do you consider capital punishment murder too?
Because witches violate God's law, and thus He wants them killed, that is their earthly punishment, and hell will soon follow.

The Bible DOES NOT say "kill no one", it says that you are not allowed to murder.

So there is no contradiction whatsoever here, the only contradiction is in your interpretation!
It arises because of your faulty intepretation of "thou shalt not kill".
Any other questions?

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

If you had read the thread you would have seen that I already explained that. Therefor i quote myself:

Executing = killing on purpose
killing on purpose = murder

Even you should understand that...

And the ten commandments were given to 'men' and not 'His people', or are you saying that the group of Jews that received them followed the absolute truth?

Any other questions?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

I saw it but it is not logical nor Biblically correct, and that's why I refuted it.

But you consider God a murderer then?
Your strange interpretations make no sense whatsoever, maybe it has to do with the fact that they aren't really based on the Bible..
Death penalty is God's favourite penalty, and He commands it for a great deal of things.
So you must consider God some kind of mass murderer.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Nope, I consider the one that executes the murderer. And I'm merely stating that this interpretation contrradicts the commandments because execution is murderer.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Nope, I consider the one that executes the murderer. And I'm merely stating that this interpretation contrradicts the commandments because execution is murderer.

Only if execution was murder.. (But it isn't.)
And I dare you to give me a verse saying that it is.
So that's only your OPINON, and your opinon ONLY.

It's only your interpretation that creates contradictions:
If not, the contradiction would have been in the Holy Bible.
But how could that which is written by God have contradictions, ie be imperfect?

Just take a look at these passages below, if your interpretation was correct, these contradict each other.
And the Bible would have contradictions, which it doesn't have!:

Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:12

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom,
Or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deuteronomy 13:6-9

So the only contradiction arises when one interpretates execution as murder.

You also seem totally unable to recognize degrees of killing..
With your "logic" there wouldn't even be a difference between killing randomly and with no reason whatsoever, or killing in self-defence.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

How high is this moron? I am seriously dazzled by this spectacular display of stupidity.

Where do you get the homosexual thing from? The only ones who are are your mollesting father(s).

Friend, here at Landover, we recognise the authority of only one Father - our Father who art in Heaven. That means you just called God Almighty a homosexual paedophile.

I have made statements about god and Jesus, after which you post the Scripture and some insults. And after that I prove my point with that exact Scripture. If you dont beleve me, just go back a couple of pages in this toppic.

No. You make wild unfounded blasphemous statements, after which we point out the truth and back ourselves up with God's word, after which you claim the scripture means the exact opposite of what it does, and then attempt to change the subject by accusing God of buggering alterboys. JESUS is not impressed.

I ask questions twice while they are already awnsered you say. Where is the awnser on "And you want to be gods diciple, while you cant even listen to the people around you?" then? And I can give more examples of questions you have avoided if you want to.

Simple answer: we want to be God's disciples, so we listen to what God tells us. Listening to what you say would only make sense if we wished to be your disciple, not God's. I hate to break it to you, but I very much doubt anyone will ever wish to be your disciple.

Read the part about the ten commandments again if you want proof of this. You even interpetrate parts of the bible in a way that you are stating it contradicts itself!

What on earth do you mean? Our interpretation of the Bible is perfectly consistent.
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. I see no contradiction here. Do you?

A cristal clear contradiction of exodus 22:18? You already said that, and I already said that then the bible contradicts itself because of the ten commandments. You interpetrate it as 'you must/may kill witchens' while the commandments say 'dont kill a person at all'.

Friend, nowhere in the Bible does it mention "witchens", and nowhere does it say "dont kill a person at all". Now you're just making stuff up.

Executing = killing on purpose
killing on purpose = murder

Even you should understand that...

So do you really think that the Bible prohibits capital punishment?

Justifiable homicide isn't murder, and therefor it is alowed by the comandments. And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right.

You may punish witches, but kill them? No.

Why are you contradicting yourself? The part of your statement I've bolded is, as usual, badly written and incoherently expressed, but otherwise 100% correct. You wrote two sentences explaining why we're allowed to kill witches, and then said we're not allowed to kill witches. I pray that you're on drugs, because if you "think" (and I use that word in the loosest sense possible) like this when not under the influence of mind-altering chemicals, then there's clearly no hope for you at all.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Well, Ill reply to this post, with acception of the usual insults of course.

1 - I didnt call god a homosexual paedophile, I meant it litteral. 'You are the addopted/bastard son of two homosexual paedophiles who mollest you every day before supper.'

2 - No, you post scripture that clearly contradicts what you say it means. And when you realise it does you switch over to denial and insulting to cover your mistakes. Jesus thinks you're weak.

3 - Im not saying you shouldnt be god's deciples. And didnt you just say your ignorance and denying restricted your world to just your personal vieuw of the bible? Which means you havent studdied it since studying is learning and looking at a subject in different ways to see every aspect of it.

4 - I do.

5 - Its childish to say 'no your wrong because the incorrectly spelled word doesnt exist', man! A two year old is more sensible then that!
And 'do not kill a person at all' should be 'do not murder a person at all', Im sorry for that mistake. But not that it matters much since killing after preperation without being forced by some kind of self defence is murder.

6 - Yes, because captial punishment is murder, its killing with preperation and after planning to. And that contradicts with the commandment.

7 - "And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right."
OnYourKnees said the following:
'Murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons.
Justifiable homicide, of course, is killing in self-defense.'

Murder is killing for one's own reasons he sais, and i explain that killing in the name of god is what that person beleves in and therefor it is his personal reason. Thus it is murder, thus it is forbidden by the bible.

Justifable homicide being self-defence is allowed because you do not prepare/plan to and are forced.

And finally: You hope Im on drugs? What kind of wish is that? I hope you understand that Jesus doent approve drug abuse.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Well, Ill reply to this post, with acception of the usual insults of course.

But you won't actually quote the post in question, because that would be far too simple.

1 - I didnt call god a homosexual paedophile, I meant it litteral. 'You are the addopted/bastard son of two homosexual paedophiles who mollest you every day before supper.'

Way to raise the tone of the debate, fag.

2 - No, you post scripture that clearly contradicts what you say it means. And when you realise it does you switch over to denial and insulting to cover your mistakes. Jesus thinks you're weak.

You're the one who claims that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" means "thou shalt hold hands with a witch and dance around and around in a big field filled with roses and butterflies". How exactly do you interpret this scripture?
1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

3 - Im not saying you shouldnt be god's deciples. And didnt you just say your ignorance and denying restricted your world to just your personal vieuw of the bible? Which means you havent studdied it since studying is learning and looking at a subject in different ways to see every aspect of it.

No. We study the truth of the Bible. We ignore things that men say that contradict the Bible, since we accept God as a higher authority. Why is that so hard for you to accept? If we accepted your word over God's, we would no longer be His disciples. Case closed.

4 - I do.

So you think GOD contradicts himself?

5 - Its childish to say 'no your wrong because the incorrectly spelled word doesnt exist', man! A two year old is more sensible then that!
And 'do not kill a person at all' should be 'do not murder a person at all', Im sorry for that mistake. But not that it matters much since killing after preperation without being forced by some kind of self defence is murder.

No, killing is not murder when it is justified. And killing in accordance with GOD's commands is pretty justified.

6 - Yes, because captial punishment is murder, its killing with preperation and after planning to. And that contradicts with the commandment.

You are deranged. Capital punishment is commanded time and time again, throughout the Bible. Why would GOD contradict himself?

7 - "And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right."
OnYourKnees said the following:
'Murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons.
Justifiable homicide, of course, is killing in self-defense.'

Murder is killing for one's own reasons he sais, and i explain that killing in the name of god is what that person beleves in and therefor it is his personal reason. Thus it is murder, thus it is forbidden by the bible.

No, he says murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons. If we kill someone because GOD tells us to, that is not for our own reasons. Why would the Bible forbid us to follow the Bible's commands? Think about, you insufferable moron!

Justifable homicide being self-defence is allowed because you do not prepare/plan to and are forced.

Yes, we are forced to by God's commands.

And finally: You hope Im on drugs? What kind of wish is that? I hope you understand that Jesus doent approve drug abuse.

Yes, I understand that Jesus doesn't approve of drug abuse (although I'd be very interested to see if you can find some scripture to back that statement up with). But I also understand that He doesn't approve of mongoloids. If you're just high, then there may be some hope of you accepting Jesus when you finally come down, but if you're this dense all the time, then there is no hope at all, and you are simply doomed to the Lake of Fire. And that is why I pray that you're on smack.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Way to raise the tone of the debate, fag.

Excuse me? It was you who started with the gay-stuf! Sorry, but if you want to play it that way you can get it, and now you're pissed all of the sudden? Grow up man...

You're the one who claims that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" means "thou shalt hold hands with a witch and dance around and around in a big field filled with roses and butterflies". How exactly do you interpret this scripture?

I interpetrate it in a way that it doesnt contradict with the commandments. This isnt about witches, this is about a war and thats not the same as murder. Where in that scripture do you find 'witches'?
And whats the 'dancing around hand in hand' stuff about? Where did you make that up?

No. We study the truth of the Bible. We ignore things that men say that contradict the Bible, since we accept God as a higher authority. Why is that so hard for you to accept? If we accepted your word over God's, we would no longer be His disciples. Case closed.

Ha, it isnt about my word, it is about how you read god's.

So you think GOD contradicts himself?

Nope, I think you make him do that by seeing the texts wrong. You are simply discarding the commandments.

No, killing is not murder when it is justified. And killing in accordance with GOD's commands is pretty justified.

Killing because of a wrong vieuw of gods word isnt justified. Then its not gods word anymore, its merely your mind that thinks it is.

You are deranged. Capital punishment is commanded time and time again, throughout the Bible. Why would GOD contradict himself?

He doesnt. Why do you make him contradict himself?

No, he says murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons. If we kill someone because GOD tells us to, that is not for our own reasons. Why would the Bible forbid us to follow the Bible's commands? Think about, you insufferable moron!

Did god tell you to ignore certain parts of the bible? No, why are you doing that then? If he speaks about wars it isnt murder, but if he speaks about punishment it would be in your interpertation.
Maybe we are talking about different things. If you think of the wars and rightfull defence i can understand your point.

Yes, we are forced to by God's commands.

Did he give you a direct command? No, and do you have scripture? Then show me, and show me that it can only be what you think it means.

Yes, I understand that Jesus doesn't approve of drug abuse (although I'd be very interested to see if you can find some scripture to back that statement up with). But I also understand that He doesn't approve of mongoloids. If you're just high, then there may be some hope of you accepting Jesus when you finally come down, but if you're this dense all the time, then there is no hope at all, and you are simply doomed to the Lake of Fire. And that is why I pray that you're on smack.

No comment on thisone, your just being angry and writhing mean stuff.
Can we stop shouting now please? Especially the gay-stuf, we both are above the level of insulting eachother in a good discussion.