[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

I don't have a branch of Christianity.

I'm an agnostic atheist.

I am sorry to hear that. If you don't believe in Jesus you will be damned to Hell:

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If I ever see anything supernatural, which can't be explained (not just by me, since I'm not a doctor, or carpenter, or engineer or whatever. I lack the knowledge). If I see something which truly is unexplainable, then I shall believe.

No neurologist can explain how subjective experience can arise from physical activities in the brain. This means that we have souls and that God exists.

I asked a christian friend and we had many conversations. In the end, she told me that christianity is a feeling.

That sounds incredibly gay. Christianity is about the teachings of Jesus and following the Bible. Sure you will feel the love of the Lord inside you but this is a side effect. Since your friend consorts with agnostic atheists she must be a false christian because she doesn't follow the Bible:

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

This means that her faith is dead:

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Whatever she feels has nothing to do with Christianity.

So, I don't understand (but I want to) how one can believe in someone that everyone else believes in, too, but have different views of what it is about. Like, a religious tree isn't just a tree. Some see it as a real lamp-post while others see it as a car.

Most people who claim to be Christian don't actually follow the teachings and commandments of God and Jesus. They make up their own perverted version of God who somehow agrees with whatever they think. In order to support this perverted version they ignore parts of the Bible that they don't like and twist the rest via private interpretation even though the Bible states that neither is allowed.

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

The issue with Islam, which I think you will agree with, is that they take their book so literal (like killing innocents who doesn't believe, etc..) Some things in christianity are the same in Islam, but Christianity has moved since then, evolved, and I wonder, of all the directions it evolved into, which one is the correct one?

Let me correct you. Christianity has been perverted since then. From 2 Peter 1:20 you will se that the interpretation of Scripture is against the Will of God. The only correct version of Christianity is True Christianity™. God promised to preserve His Word:

Psalm 12:6-7:
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Therefore the Bible must be the inerrant Word of God. If it isn't one of the following options must be true:

1. God doesn't know what the Bible says because He isn't omniscient

2. God doesn't have the power to change the Bible because He isn't omnipotent

3. God is neither omnipotent nor omniscient

4. The Bible isn't the Word of God

5. God doesn't care about human affairs

6. God doesn't exist.

Since options 1-6 are impossible the Bible must be the inerrant Word of God and this means that everything the Bible says is true from the fact that God created the world in 6 days to the fact that wizards exist (Leviticus 20:27).

In the end, it shouldn't matter what you believe in, but that you DO believe.

Except you will go to Hell if you aren't a True Christian™

[Simonajf]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

Might as well post here... Do you have any evidence not stemming from the bible? Arguments such as "existence" don't count, as you would be repeating most other religions.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

I don't have a branch of Christianity.

I'm an agnostic atheist.

If I ever see anything supernatural, which can't be explained (not just by me, since I'm not a doctor, or carpenter, or engineer or whatever. I lack the knowledge). If I see something which truly is unexplainable, then I shall believe.

Millions think Madonna is talented.

May I now welcome you to the Family of God?

I asked a christian friend and we had many conversations. In the end, she told me that christianity is a feeling. You believe when you have the feeling. And since feelings are subjective, I cannot help but wonder about the truth.

Right now, my belief is that since there are so many subjective feelings and opinions in regards of all the different religions, I'd rather believe in what is universal for all of us.

One thing is universal: God loves those who obey Him, and will torture for all time those, like you, who refuse His Love.

The issue with Islam, which I think you will agree with, is that they take their book so literal (like killing innocents who doesn't believe, etc..) Some things in christianity are the same in Islam, but Christianity has moved since then, evolved, and I wonder, of all the directions it evolved into, which one is the correct one?

Actually, that is just about the only positive thing I can think to say about Islamofascists. They actually follow what their book says. Fluffy-bunny "Christians" just ignore the parts of the Bible they don't like, yet still call themselves Christian while they ignore God's Word.

In the end, it shouldn't matter what you believe in, but that you DO believe.

So we've determined that you're not an atheist now, since you have spit out this idiotic New Age claptrap. "Pick something and believe in it"? Wow, you are quite the skeptic!

[Louise1987]

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Wow... So... I LIED to you? I never lied to you. I openly said I was curious. I never said I was a religious person.

Why do you twist my words, that's very odd.

And yes, I offer evidence from other places than the bible. Because the world turns, things change.

Once upon a time people assumed Earth was the centre of the universe.

Do you believe earth is the centre of the universe? Please reply to this, I am honestly curious. Don't drag me through mud, I just want to know if you think the Earth in centre of the universe.

[Louise1987]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

Mr. Rodimer

You say 1 thing is universal and that is God's love.

But the problems is the uncertainty about that. WHICH god, your god, the islamic god? The Norse Gods? Hindu Gods, all the other tens of thousand Gods?

[Louise1987]

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I got an Infraction.

"Reason: Falsly claiming there are tens of thousand Gods
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There is only one God! The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. "

I accept this from your side. You deny all other gods and assume all others, who does not share your religion, are wrong.

You believe therefore what your bible says, ignoring indisputable evidence laid before you to the contrary and/or society's improvement.

I wonder if any of you use health care. It's scientific proven. Or do you let your sickness stay and pray it gone?

How can you live in a modern world with your religion? Or do you adopt whatever modern technologies suits you?

I came here to understand, but I realise it might be impossible. Since I came here I've been bashed for asking question and I've been mocked.

As a curious atheist I wonder who, in reality, is the close-minded.

If you deny what lies before you then you must be the closed-minded. Being able to analyse a book is all very well, but just because I've read Tolkien and knows the story well it doesn't mean it's real or make me an expert on imaginary creatures like elves.

I will give you an advice which I follow myself.

When presented with something that is undeniable I FORCE myself to accept it, as I would otherwise live in an unreal bubble.

Have you ever considered moving out of your bubble? Don't you wonder why you're the minority? And why are all others wrong and not you?

It's OK to be scared of life, but isn't it better to accept it, grasp life, live your fullest and not walk around being afraid?

I wondered how you could keep on believing.

I got my answer.

You close your eyes and deny the world around you. You live the way they did, mentally, when the Book was written, ignoring the changes and knowledge we've gained.

For all those who told me they pitied me, for those who made threads in here about how sad it is to be an atheist:

It isn't sad. I look at the rainbow and I see colour, I see raindrops, I see atmosphere, I see the sun, I see space, I see stars and I see planets and moons. Astronomi is incredibl. The WORLD is amazing.

Believing in God made everything is denying how the world function. You blame it on god without realising that everything has a life of its own.

Why do you keep holding on to the rock? Let go and enjoy the beauty of the universe.

I wonder how you can be sure God exist. Did he/she speak to you? Talk, with a voice or did he/she materialise in front of you?

A gazelle stood in the tall grass and ate. A wind swept by. It's biggest chance to survive is to assume it's a lion rather than just the wind.

Humans do the same.

This is my goodbye, as my quest for answers only leads to being banned and whatnot for asking them.

Have a wonderful life, be good! Even if you loose faith be good, because you don't have to walk around killing everyone just because you don't believe in religion. (and if you're only good because of religion... well, I'm worried, then).

[Munky.uk]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

@all atheists You should stop being bad and start loving Jesus so you can go to Heaven with us! #John 14:1-4

why would atheists care about going to heaven when they dont believe in heaven and can just have a good a time fucking drinking and taking drugs

[Felicity]

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@Munky.uk How could someone not believe in Heaven?

[Fascinated]

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@Munky.uk How could someone not believe in Heaven?

Hoe CAN you believe in heaven? The whole idea of it is preposterous, something you'd hear in fairy tales as a child. This is why i pity you, living strict boring lives hoping you'll go to heaven when you die. And then, nothing. Seems like a waste no?

[Teach me]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

Hoe CAN you believe in heaven? The whole idea of it is preposterous, something you'd hear in fairy tales as a child. This is why i pity you, living strict boring lives hoping you'll go to heaven when you die. And then, nothing. Seems like a waste no?

Yes, the idea that someone could not understand the idea of Heaven is silly, and not denounceing it is preposterous. What is even more preposterous, is that you preach just as much as these "True" Christians, and with as much hatred. What makes you think your belief, or idea is better? And what justifies your pushing of beliefs onto other people? You are in just as much wrong, as they are.

[Louise1987]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

I suppose, if there were a heaven and you people in here are in it I prefer hell.

But while you burn in hell for never being good enough to your God we atheist are sleeping nicely forever, without having to deal with all the gods.

And yes, I said ALL THE GODS. And you cannot bitch about it, because

""The information presented here is Biblically accurate. Opinions concerning the technical difficulties, fitness requirements, safety, and ratings of self-crucifixion, flagellation, stoning, destroying enemies of GOD utterly, without mercy, and other activities inherent in Christianity are subjective and may differ from yours or others' opinions"

Means I can use my subjective view to assume the holy trinity is 3 seperate gods and not 1. Meaning to me there are more than 1 god.

Where I to believe, naturally. Which I luckily don't, because facing an eterly with a bunch of bigots is my idea of hell.

Curious question. What happens if you're a machochist and you go to hell? Isn't that heaven then?

[GOD=life]

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Hoe CAN you believe in heaven?

Because it's mentioned in the Bible numerous times. Jesus Christ refers to it extensively. We ONLY believe in things that are proven to be correct.

The whole idea of it is preposterous

That's what people once said about the idea of airplanes. They just couldn't imagine it. Fortunately, us Christians could.

Same thing with the internet. Did you know that one of the real reasons the internet was created was to spread the Word of God? Christians created the internet and the Christian nation called the United States of America funded it.

If you think the internet is preposterous, why are you using our internet then?

This is why i pity you

You pity us based on your own false assumptions. You are too stubborn and intolerant to consider that people may live completely happy and satisfied lives outside the scope of your own narrow-minded beliefs.

living strict boring lives hoping you'll go to heaven when you die.

That's judgmental: our lives are anything but boring. And we KNOW we'll go to Heaven. That's the great thing about being a True Christian.

Besides, how do you figure our lives would be "exciting" by your standards? Do go to prostitutes every day? To watch porn with our children? No thank you!

And then, nothing. Seems like a waste no?

If there's nothing (which there isn't!), then we wouldn't know about it, now would we? And we'd still have the benefit of having lived wonderful pure lives while alive. Seems like an easy bet, no?

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Important message for all atheists!

Because it's mentioned in the Bible numerous times. Jesus Christ refers to it extensively. We ONLY believe in things that are proven to be correct.


That's what people once said about the idea of airplanes. They just couldn't imagine it. Fortunately, us Christians could.

Same thing with the internet. Did you know that one of the real reasons the internet was created was to spread the Word of God? Christians created the internet and the Christian nation called the United States of America funded it.

If you think the internet is preposterous, why are you using our internet then?


You pity us based on your own false assumptions. You are too stubborn and intolerant to consider that people may live completely happy and satisfied lives outside the scope of your own narrow-minded beliefs.


That's judgmental: our lives are anything but boring. And we KNOW we'll go to Heaven. That's the great thing about being a True Christian.

Besides, how do you figure our lives would be "exciting" by your standards? Do go to prostitutes every day? To watch porn with our children? No thank you!


If there's nothing (which there isn't!), then we wouldn't know about it, now would we? And we'd still have the benefit of having lived wonderful pure lives while alive. Seems like an easy bet, no?

You guys are so funny, "we created the internet for spreading god's word"?

You guys are so stupid.

And by the way, airplanes were an crazy idea in the past because we haven't had the technology, now we can because we know the physics and and technology needed, I don't think the bible provided the knowledge to make planes.

Also, to enjoy life by the 'not-christian' way is nothing to do with consant sex and porn, please, we have other pleasures than that.

You can't think about something else than sex, I bet you only have bad sex, that's why you're so frustrated.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Also, to enjoy life by the 'not-christian' way is nothing to do with consant sex and porn, please, we have other pleasures than that.

Like taking LSD and eating babies?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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From all religion of the world, you take the religion from the place where you are born.

I was born here and Jesus was born in Bethlehem - you're wrong, case closed.