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Do you not believe in the Old Testament, friend? You yourself posted that we should follow every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.

We preach just like Jesus and the Apostle Paul did.

Matthew 15:22-27 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Jesus echoes the same sentiment here.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Jesus tells us that He will make our enemies a footstool.

Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Paul tells us the following.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Now, what were you saying about us not being loving enough?

Have you guys even cracked open a bible or do you guys have a sheet of cliffnotes for verses of hate?

I do believe in the Old testament but the foundation of Jesus's teachings are in the new testament and even many of the Old testment teachings have been reversed by Jesus ie Sacrifice, circumcision, hating your enemies, the commandments (Matthew 22:36-40)

You have not even addressed the verses "God did not send his Son into the world to condemn(damn it as you would say) the world, but to save the world through Him."(John 3:17). or "For ALL have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God". or Matthew 9:13 tells us that Jesus "did not come to call the righteous, but sinners". Why is that? Maybe because Jesus's words goes against your hate speech?

I've done my best to address every point or scripture you guys make but have not addressed one scripture I have addressed "Scripture, so it didn't happen"?

I'm going to start with addressing Matthew 15.

Matthew 15:22-27 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Clearly Jesus is saying that he was sent solely for the "lost sheep" or sinner. Not sure what you were trying to emphasis by quoting this scripture
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
His disciples said to send this woman, a sinner obviously, away. Jesus is responding to his disciples saying that why would you take away the "bread"(Jesus, also known as the bread of life) and cast it away. Meaning why would you withold something from the sinner who needs it most?
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Meaning that even the most unworthy, recieve the bread, the word, help, intervention, whatever you want to call it, from the Master. This goes along with Matther 4:45 "45 That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The key here is the "I" or "He" meaning Jesus. Jesus is our defender and shield from our enemies. We do not do it by ourselves. It is not commanded unto us to make our enemies our footstool. But I go back again to Matthew 4. Why has everyone seem to skip over this verse? Because though you ask who your brother is "certainly not" me the false "Christian Prophet"(I do not understand how you came about this judgement when all I've done is request the meaning behind SCRIPTURE). and have done what you guys profess which is read the scripture as that of a child. If you don't know who the brother in the Matthew 18, you can certainly understand what "enemies" means in Matthew 4 right? Which was a direct commandment from Jesus. Or is that some more of that " Scripture, it didn't happen"?

So I interpret the scripture to mean love my enemy, the sinner, which is not even an interpretation but a direct quote and now I am a False Prophet? I would say justify this to me but you know what? You can't because Jesus's second greatest commandment was to love thy neighbor as thyself. He didn't say only the ones that are Christian, or the ones that aggree with you, or the ones that are legal, or the ones that are white, the ones that are healthy, or straight, not mentally ill, or (fill in the blank). He said your neighbor meaning whoever is next to you.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Please tell me where the hate for the sinner is in this scripture?"Scripture or it didn't happen"?

I detest those who claim to be Christian but have no idea of God's Holy Word.

You are all vile creeping worms moving through your own excrement and throwing it at anyone near.

You are liars and cheats, you are sinners and God hates you.

From Our beloved Pastor Al:

Pastor Al: I keep hearing people say that God hates sin but loves the sinner. It isn't true. God does not love the sinner and I can prove what I say from the Bible which is, of course, God's Word and the final say-so about anything!

"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

There are plenty more verses in the Bible about how God HATES THE SINNER.

Do not be deceived by the lukewarm Christians and their "God hates the sin but loves the sinner"!! The Bible says the Lord HATES certain people and not just the sin!! But He does love the True Christian!

I have had (supposed) born again Christians tell me that I'm talking about the Law of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ said that not one jot or tittle of His law will pass away!! (Matthew 5:18)

The Bible says, "The burden of the Word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob. And I HATED Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage to waste for the dragons of the wilderness." (Malachi 1:1-3) You read it! GOD HATED ESAU. Its in the Bible!

If someone tells you "God is love", remind him that "love is the fulfilling of the law" (Romans 13:10)

Any enemy of God should be our enemy too!! I would go so far as to say that if you claim to love enemies of God, you are trying to be holier than God.

In Psalms, David constantly called upon God to destroy the wicked! I have found ten Psalms where David asks God to destroy his enemies (7, 35, 55, 58, 59, 69, 79, 109, 137, 139).

I believe when God destroys the wicked it is a form of His grace. God gives us grace when He destroys the wicked because when He destroys the wicked, He stops their evil deeds and works. When He kills drug dealers, He saves grown ups and children from drugs. When He kills abortionists, He saves unborn babies lives.

The Bible says that wicked, evil-doers don't learn lessons. "Let favour be showed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness" (2 Cor 26:10); yet, "when thy [God's] judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness" (2 Cor 26:9).

People aren't saved because of God's love. People get saved because they want to escape God's wrath and don't want to be destroyed. We should, therefore, ask God to judge and destroy the wicked and evil-doers because their destructions is definitely a form of God's grace.

We need to stop separating sin from the sinner. God judges the sinner! If you believe that God is just and true, then you must believe that He hates the sin and the sinner.

A few more verses.:
"God is a just judge and God is angry with the wicked everyday. (Psalms 7:11)


2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Ro:16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Ro:16:18: For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

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Again haven't answered any of my questions.......

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I do believe in the Old testament but the foundation of Jesus's teachings are in the new testament and even many of the Old testment teachings have been reversed by Jesus ie Sacrifice, circumcision, hating your enemies, the commandments (Matthew 22:36-40)

Re:9:18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

You think God said that or that it was the rantings of a mad-man that happened to make it into The Holy Bible?

They are poor prophets that twaddle to me about the benevolence &c of the Creator: as if the unutterable unfathomable Creation had nothing else to do but constitute itself into a Soup-kitchen, and God Most High were mere President of a universal Charity Ball! In no time of history, I think, has such wretched stuff been spoken and snivelled about God, Thomas Carlyle to John Stuart Mill (Templand, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, / 11 April, 1842)

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Again haven't answered any of my questions.......

God will answer them come Judgment Day. He, I suspect, will say we were right and you were kicking against the pricks.

Your flaccid apologies for God sicken me.

Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

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I detest those who claim to be Christian but have no idea of God's Holy Word.

You are all vile creeping worms moving through your own excrement and throwing it at anyone near.

You are liars and cheats, you are sinners and God hates you.

From Our beloved Pastor Al:

A few more verses.:
"God is a just judge and God is angry with the wicked everyday. (Psalms 7:11)


2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Ro:16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Ro:16:18: For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I agree with your scripture therefore I would like to add

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

That means we are all sinners. So according to your pastor God hates all of us. So lets just all hate each other.

Here's an idea, since you guys want to live like King David, why don't we kill all your first born the next time you commit a sin against God? Like God did when David sinned against God with Bathsheeba? Or better yet, just go ahead and carry out judgement by the sword and cut off each others heads?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Here's an idea, since you guys want to live like King David, why don't we kill all your first born the next time you commit a sin against God?

I put my firstborn up for adoption; it was female. But I haven't sinned since I was a teenager and used to masturbate.

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Re:9:18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

You think God said that or that it was the rantings of a mad-man that happened to make it into The Holy Bible?

This statement is unfounded. Did I say anything about you guys being mad-men?

I also want to address your "Unsaved Unwelcome" policy and point out Luke 13.
"10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.
12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him."

You claim that the unsaved are unwelcome in Jesus's congregation. Please explain to me this verse then?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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We do not associate with sinners because the Bible forbids it.

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I agree with your scripture therefore I would like to add

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

That means we are all sinners. So according to your pastor God hates all of us. So lets just all hate each other.

Oh, yes, that's right! Let's wallow in guilt!

Have you some hot-line to God, denied to the rest of us?

You translate God's Word? You presume to say that the simple meaning He promulgated is errant?

Your type of sanctimonious heathen, who pretends to be Christian, sickens me to my bowels!

Listen up and re-read that verse! 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

It does NOT say 23For all have sinned, and are sinners!

To be "short of the glory of God" does NOT imply that you have sinned, it implies that you are NOT God. (Although reading your vapid prose and 'modern ideas' makes me think that you might think you are. )

Get on message, boy! Read that Bible! The meaning is plain!

Here's an idea, since you guys want to live like King David, why don't we kill all your first born the next time you commit a sin against God? Like God did when David sinned against God with Bathsheeba? Or better yet, just go ahead and carry out judgement by the sword and cut off each others heads?

Carry on sinner, God's listening. You're saying God got it wrong?

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I put my firstborn up for adoption; it was female. But I haven't sinned since I was a teenager and used to masturbate.

BTW that "it" was a child, a human being, a creation of God. You claim to be against abortion but address babies as "it"?

[Levi Jones]

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Have you guys even cracked open a bible or do you guys have a sheet of cliffnotes for verses of hate?

Oh goody! We have ourselves a biblical scholar who goes around quoting Ghandi in our midst.

I do believe in the Old testament but the foundation of Jesus's teachings are in the new testament and even many of the Old testment teachings have been reversed by Jesus ie Sacrifice,

Bzzztt. The sacrifice of animals was already abolished in

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

hating your enemies,

I do love my enemies enough to try to save them. As Paul says,

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

It's too bad you sit on the sidelines and tolerate their sins.

You have not even addressed the verses "God did not send his Son into the world to condemn(damn it as you would say) the world, but to save the world through Him."(John 3:17).

Keep reading in John to the very next verses.

John 3:18-20 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

or "For ALL have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God".

Nice cherrypicking. That's prior to Salvation. Paul goes on to say in Romans 3 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Read this as well.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

or Matthew 9:13 tells us that Jesus "did not come to call the righteous, but sinners". Why is that? Maybe because Jesus's words goes against your hate speech?

Among His own people. In the very next chapter Jesus says.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

I'm going to start with addressing Matthew 15.

Matthew 15:22-27 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Clearly Jesus is saying that he was sent solely for the "lost sheep" or sinner. Not sure what you were trying to emphasis by quoting this scripture

He's clearly saying he didn't come for people like the Samaritan. He was only there for his own.

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
His disciples said to send this woman, a sinner obviously, away. Jesus is responding to his disciples saying that why would you take away the "bread"(Jesus, also known as the bread of life) and cast it away. Meaning why would you withold something from the sinner who needs it most?

I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit. He is addressing the woman by saying that again.. He is not there for her.

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Meaning that even the most unworthy, recieve the bread, the word, help, intervention, whatever you want to call it, from the Master.

No, she is begging Jesus to give her a crumb of His miracles despite the fact He already told her no.

Do the mental gymnastics you have to do to come up with this claptrap hurt your brain or are you used to it?

This goes along with Matther 4:45 " That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

I am unaware of the Book of Matther. If you meant Matthew 4, it only goes up to verse 25. Is it fun to make up scriptures?

Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The key here is the "I" or "He" meaning Jesus. Jesus is our defender and shield from our enemies. We do not do it by ourselves. It is not commanded unto us to make our enemies our footstool. But I go back again to Matthew 4. Why has everyone seem to skip over this verse? Because though you ask who your brother is "certainly not" me the false "Christian Prophet"(I do not understand how you came about this judgement when all I've done is request the meaning behind SCRIPTURE). and have done what you guys profess which is read the scripture as that of a child. If you don't know who the brother in the Matthew 18,

Here's who the brother is.

Matthew 12:47-50 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

you can certainly understand what "enemies" means in Matthew 4 right? Which was a direct commandment from Jesus. Or is that some more of that " Scripture, it didn't happen"?

Again, I do love my enemies enough to attempt to save them. Is it loving to sit and watch a building burn or is it more loving to warn the person that the flames are going to engulf them?

What, you think we're too mean?

Hebrews 12:5-8 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

[Levi Jones]

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Or better yet, just go ahead and carry out judgement by the sword and cut off each others heads?

Nah, that's up to Jesus when He returns with a sword that sticks out of His Holy Mouth.

Revelation 19:11-15 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[gurgle]

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Oh, yes, that's right! Let's wallow in guilt!

Have you some hot-line to God, denied to the rest of us?

You translate God's Word? You presume to say that the simple meaning He promulgated is errant?

Your type of sanctimonious heathen, who pretends to be Christian, sickens me to my bowels!

Listen up and re-read that verse! 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

It does NOT say 23For all have sinned, and are sinners!

To be "short of the glory of God" does NOT imply that you have sinned, it implies that you are NOT God. (Although reading your vapid prose and 'modern ideas' makes me think that you might think you are. )

Get on message, boy! Read that Bible! The meaning is plain!

Carry on sinner, God's listening. You're saying God got it wrong?

It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

Oh and I love these infractions claiming that I am flaming when I have done nothing but simply ask legitimate questions both a believer and unbeliever would ask. How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

[Levi Jones]

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It's not the ""short of the glory of God" part that implies we are sinners. It's the "all have sinned" part. Just like if you murder you are a murderer, if you lie you are a lier, etc. You are right the meaning is pretty plain. Are you trying to imply that you have never sinned?

Oh and I love these infractions claiming that I am flaming when I have done nothing but simply ask legitimate questions both a believer and unbeliever would ask. How else do you expect to bring people closer to Jesus?

I already addressed that point, God mocker.
Are you going to continue to annoyingly ask the same questions over and over again until you get the answer you are looking for?