[Levi Jones]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Which takes, skill, smarts, and is right more than most of the time.

And a ton of faith in things that they are speculating about. Why not jump on the big team for the big win and spend all eternity in heaven with us?

[tankster720]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Because, I don't think there is a heaven, asking me if I want to go to heaven and is a completely pointless question.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Because, I don't think there is a heaven, asking me if I want to go to heaven and is a completely pointless question.

No, you KNOW there is a Heaven like you KNOW there is a God. You just refuse to admit it out of pure petty spite because you hate God. As my original post PROVES Atheism is an utterly corrupt philosophy with no based in Biblical fact or Christian reasoning. Point #3 of my ten points sums it all up. I dare you to refute point #3.

[Felicity]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

@Bobby-Joe We should make T-shirts with point #3 on it so we can convert Atheists to Christians just by walking around.

[SarahK]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

And point number three is....? If they all sum it up then why wouldn't any part of 3 be at the bottom. Clearly you weren't thinking through and made this error

"Threw out"
Sorry to be rude, but I laughed so much at that sad typo.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Clearly you weren't thinking through and made this error

Don't talk nonsense. Bobby-Joe is a True Christian(tm) so he never makes mistakes.

[DorkHawk]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Point number 1 is false. With you guys going around "Smite the gays, burn the jews, slaughter the muslims, etc." I don't know how you could even think about putting that there.

[silverspirit2001]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Point number 1 is false. With you guys going around "Smite the gays, burn the jews, slaughter the muslims, etc." I don't know how you could even think about putting that there.

DO you not know your bible? These are Gods Commandments!

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them" Leviticus 20:13

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15

"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22

[Milican]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

For a reason well to my knowledge, I too fail to see point #3. I shall give more prayers to Jesus to become worthy to see the opener's wisdom fully

[JackBoden]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I see point 3 quite clearly. Here is my argument against it.



There ya go. I know its a big long winded but I think I covered it all. Now I'd like to tell you all a few facts about what chrisitanity plagarised off other religons

1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.

2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, "Don't cry, I'm going to heaven." when he died. As he passed he said, "It is finished."

3. Dionysus was literally the "Son of God", was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.

4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.

5. Osiris's son, Horus, was known as the "light of the world", "The good shepherd", and "the lamb". He was also referred to as, "The way, the truth, and the life." His symbol was a cross.

6. Mithra's birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he'll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he's the Sun God). His followers called themselves "brothers", and their leaders "fathers". They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.

7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.

8. Buddha's mother was told by an angel that she'd give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself "the son of man" and was referred to as, "prophet", "master", and "Lord". He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn't strong enough.

9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, "The Son of God"

Don't these all sound just a little bit familiar to you all? Christianity is a false religon because it plagarised all these other stories which were around BEFORE christianity. Game set and match atheists.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I see point 3 quite clearly. Here is my argument against it.

There ya go. I know its a big long winded but I think I covered it all.

Very stylish, but not much substance there. I think you completely missed the point of that allegory about Soviet agricultural equipment that so much of BJ's point 3 rests on.

Now I'd like to tell you all a few facts about what chrisitanity plagarised off other religons

1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.

2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, "Don't cry, I'm going to heaven." when he died. As he passed he said, "It is finished."

3. Dionysus was literally the "Son of God", was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.

4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.

5. Osiris's son, Horus, was known as the "light of the world", "The good shepherd", and "the lamb". He was also referred to as, "The way, the truth, and the life." His symbol was a cross.

6. Mithra's birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he'll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he's the Sun God). His followers called themselves "brothers", and their leaders "fathers". They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.

7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.

8. Buddha's mother was told by an angel that she'd give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself "the son of man" and was referred to as, "prophet", "master", and "Lord". He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn't strong enough.

9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, "The Son of God"

Don't these all sound just a little bit familiar to you all? Christianity is a false religon because it plagarised all these other stories which were around BEFORE christianity. Game set and match atheists.

How do you know about these stories? Were you around before Christianity? Or have historians (i.e. Marxist lunatics) told you about them? Are you taking the words of these historians on faith? Just because something's written down in a book doesn't make it true, you know.
And even if some pre-Christian religions did have those features, that still proves nothing. As an angel, Lucifer had access to God's plans, so he knew how God was going to design Christ. It would have been simple enough for him to copy a few details down and then teach primitive tribes about them in the hopes that thousands of years later, good people would be led astray by the "evidence" that these rituals produced. You see? Game, set and match to GOD.

[JackBoden]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Very stylish, but not much substance there. I think you completely missed the point of that allegory about Soviet agricultural equipment that so much of BJ's point 3 rests on.

How do you know about these stories? Were you around before Christianity? Or have historians (i.e. Marxist lunatics) told you about them? Are you taking the words of these historians on faith? Just because something's written down in a book doesn't make it true, you know.
And even if some pre-Christian religions did have those features, that still proves nothing. As an angel, Lucifer had access to God's plans, so he knew how God was going to design Christ. It would have been simple enough for him to copy a few details down and then teach primitive tribes about them in the hopes that thousands of years later, good people would be led astray by the "evidence" that these rituals produced. You see? Game, set and match to GOD.

They were in the religous books of the Ancient egyptians. dated before christ was born.

Primitive tribes? These are the guys who built the pyramids and could create solid gold sculptures.

"Just because something's written down in a book doesn't make it true, you know"

I think you should heed your own advice friend.

[Master Gordon]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Nothing is shown, I am assuming you are all trying to get the point across that since I am a 'god-fear/hating atheist scum I cannot see #3' right?

What did I say about respect? Hmmm?

I have no problem seeing point #3.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

I see point 3 quite clearly. Here is my argument against it.



There ya go. I know its a big long winded but I think I covered it all.

TL:TR

They were in the religous books of the Ancient egyptians. dated before christ was born.

Primitive tribes? These are the guys who built the pyramids and could create solid gold sculptures.

And, Saddam Hussian had solid gold toilets and you don't see anyone hailing him as the apex of civilization.

Brother Temperance brought up a very good point that Marxists likely just forged all these "ancient" religions that just happened to, surprise, surprise, pre-date and parallel Christianity. Mighty convenient ALL the facts just happen to fit their ideas. Now were have see seen that before?

Oh yes, there.

Look, as TRUE Christians we need something more that stuff written down by people living in tents in the desert who talked to invisible men.

[JackBoden]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

TL:TR

And, Saddam Hussian had solid gold toilets and you don't see anyone hailing him as the apex of civilization.

Brother Temperance brought up a very good point that Marxists likely just forged all these "ancient" religions that just happened to, surprise, surprise, pre-date and parallel Christianity. Mighty convenient ALL the facts just happen to fit their ideas. Now were have see seen that before?

Oh yes, there.

Look, as TRUE Christians we need something more that stuff written down by people living in tents in the desert who talked to invisible men.

Isn't that what the 10 commandments were? a guy who walked into the desert and talked to an invisible man and they were you're 10 rules to follow?

See. you all seem to hate other religons saying they're false but you give the same reasons that atheists use to say you're religon is false.

Kinda funny IMO