[James Dewitt]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

@ Stella why do you feel the deep need to make Jesus cry? Life goes oh so much better if you just look to Him for all the answers. Thats what we have done and look how happy we are.

[Stella LaForte]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

That's not how words work. You can't just deny that someone's an atheist just because you're ashamed of them. The Communists clearly did not see the Party as an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being ruling over the universe. They were atheists who did terrible things. Deal with it.

So everything in American history is now Christian, is it? I wish that was true, but it isn't, so you're still an idiot.

So if FDR invented the New Deal, and FDR was an atheist, does that make the New Deal atheist or Christian? Think carefully here.

You're missing the point - for the third time, now, it is not the religion that is important in these. The fact that Naziism was Christian and that Communism was atheist is completely irrelevant.

That's what you're saying. You think that carving up a human is the same as eating some ham, because (your words) "We mean no more than any other animal. We are all simply life forms."
Thanks for proving BJ right, you sociopathic false atheist scumbag.

How am I a "false atheist"?
And I was stating my views, not necessarily the ones advocated by everyone of atheistic affiliation. Bear in mind that atheism is simply an adjective describing any philosophy that rejects the existence of a higher power, and not necessarily a title or label!

Again, you've proved his point about how atheists have no morals. Point 5: proved!

Perhaps my perspective simply differs from that of others in this instance - again, 'tis in no way representative of everyone sharing similar views.

You hate-filled atheist misanthropes really don't like people very much, do you?

Myself, I'm not the biggest advocate for humanity.

Let's look at what's been said here again, shall we?
"Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig."
[COLOR=black]"We mean no more than any other animal. We are all simply life forms."
"We object to murdering those of our race as a society."
"The answer is that killing is neither wrong nor right. It just is."
You're confirming BJ's points more and more.

The points he made about morality, I agree with him - that there is no such thing. However, he made it out to be a bad thing, rather than an inevitable part of existence.

That's not an argument. Or, to put it another way: no u

I answered it in my second response.

He was born in a lotus flower. That's hardly outside the universe, now is it?

No; Brahma resides in Brahmlakoka, the highest celestial abode which possess twenty heavens. It is not contained within this universe.

God before the beginning of the universe. They weren't influenced by Christianity, but by God.

Is that proven? No. Besides, you have to look at it from the spiritual and intellectual perspectives of the cultures that possessed these gods to gain understanding. If the country was in a time of peace, the culture had benevolent gods. If the country was counstantly besieged by floods, they had vengeful gods.

That's not an argument. Or, to put it another way: no u

Again, answered it in my second response.

Let's look at that one again:

Pick one or the other and stick with it. At the moment, you're just making yourself sound ridiculous.

I was speaking of two discrete instances, although I could have better differenciated between ideas:
In dictatorships where one person is behind a government, the religion of the leader is taken into consideration. Hitler was Christian, and he was the sole person in charge of the government.
In democracies where multiple groups of people head the goverment, the religion of these people does not have a reflection on the policies of the land.

Because they go against the objective standards of morality. And why not ask Jeff Luers?

WHAT. I'm simply dying to know how protecting the environment can be considered immoral, by any meaning of the word.

Let's look at this argument again, and see what we can take from it:
Bobby-Joe: Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
Idiotic atheist wop sex criminal: No, that is not true, for I do not believe in the Bible and I don't have objective standards of good and evil.
Seriously, how can you not realise how stupid that is?

That wasn't the point I made - I never directly answered that statement, but rather said how there was no such thing as objective morality to begin with, in reality. I'll prove that one wrong if you like, though.
Pre-Socratic philosophy is the first example I can recall, the instance of Democritus - he believed in objective good and evil. Plato solidified this theory. This was hundreds of years before the Bible, I must add.

What about the rules of chess? How do those laws help keep anyone alive?

The rules of chess are not governed by authourity, and I was specifically referring to moral and legal laws in place.

No, you claimed. That's not the same thing as showing.

Look it up. Other beliefs have also had faith in eternal creation gods that exist outside the universe.

Brahma cannot be infinite, otherwise Hindus would be monotheistic, which they aren't. And the God of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity.

Yes, I'm aware - but still, Judaism is a seperate religion asides from Christianity, so the idea of the infinite eternal creation god is expressed in both faiths. Also, Zoraastrianism and Islam also believe in such things.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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Hogwash! The guidelines for morality did not come through so-called, satan worshippin' philosophers.The guidelines came from Jesus!



Stella, you are attempting to currupt us with your satan worshipping philosophies of humanism, you foul heathen scum!

Colasians
2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

We are not to be partakeers with you for the Lord's Wrath is kindled against you!

Ephesians
5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Beware! This one may have a case of hemorrhoids-a sure sign of God's Wrath.

1 Samuel
5:6 But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof.

[jonahmichael is Baka]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

#7 Threw out human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

1: Atheists do have pity for others. This is just a false stereotype. Like everybody else, the attitude of the Atheist depends on the person, not their beliefs, skin color, accents, or anything like that.
2: A natural disaster is neither a random event OR something from God. There are precursors to these events. For example, floods are preceded or accompanied by unnatural amounts of rain, Hurricanes, and things like that. The empathy thing also applies to #1. It depends on the person, not the differences between them. A person has their own opinions. Again, this is just a stereotype.
By the way, you forgot #3.
4: It's not random chance. It's Natural Selection. They adapted to different environments like hot and cold. For example, animals that live in colder environments have more fur or blubber than those who live in hot terrains. Again, see #1. This is just yet another piece of bias, flawed logic, misinformation, and stereotypes.
5: No, morality does not come from a god and a 3,000 year book. Even Atheists know they have morality and standards. Again, a bunch of stereotypes appear. People have different standards of morality. Study more. Even a 5 year old with Down Syndrome can outsmart you buffoons.
6: Again, stereotyping at its finest. By finest I mean dirtiest and most wrong.
7: Stop trying to distort reality to your favor. Again, stereotypes are present here.
8: Well, prove your god exists without your Bible or Wikipedia. A book proving itself with itself is a logical fallacy.
9: No, it is not. Again, distortion of reality and stereotyping.
10: Look at #8.
In conclusion, you are a bunch of morons. Also, Baka means idiot in Japanese, so my name says you are all idiots. Try to get some legit, real logic in here and I may come back to this thread. For now, I bid you trolls adieu until I come into the next thread and point out its flaws.

[jennabenna]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

@ Stella why do you feel the deep need to make Jesus cry? Life goes oh so much better if you just look to Him for all the answers. Thats what we have done and look how happy we are.

Maybe happy isn't all we want to be. As Hobbes said, "If you are squeamish, then do not prod the beach rubble."
You run screaming away when confronted with the problems of the world, saying that god did it and you shouldn't help because nowhere in the bible are the words "Thou shalt send thy funds to thy victims of earthquakes, for the LORD said that this was good."

[barton]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

No; Brahma resides in Brahmlakoka, the highest celestial abode which possess twenty heavens. It is not contained within this universe.

What utter nonsense is this? Twenty heavens? Brahmla-cuckoo seems more like it. I suppose this is just the kind of religion that you get from horrible nutrition, powerful hallucinogens and backwards savagery.

Hitler was Christian

Hitler was not Christian. He was a devout atheist who merely used the tools of religion to advance his cause. In Hitler's Table Talk, he explicitly revealed his hatred of Christianity, calling it all a lie and a disease. If anything, I think Nazism is far more closely linked to Paganism. Hitler's full support of Himmler's decidedly-fierce pursuit of such things is proof enough.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

You're missing the point - for the third time, now, it is not the religion that is important in these. The fact that Naziism was Christian and that Communism was atheist is completely irrelevant.

Of course religion wasn't important in them, because they were atheists! And excuse me if I find it hard to keep track of what the point was, since you seem to change it every time you post, and sometimes more often than that.

How am I a "false atheist"?

Because you believe in karma.

And I was stating my views, not necessarily the ones advocated by everyone of atheistic affiliation. Bear in mind that atheism is simply an adjective describing any philosophy that rejects the existence of a higher power, and not necessarily a title or label!

Karma is a higher power.

Myself, I'm not the biggest advocate for humanity.

Kill yourself.

The points he made about morality, I agree with him - that there is no such thing. However, he made it out to be a bad thing, rather than an inevitable part of existence.

But it's not an inevitable part of existence, because we have morals. It sounds like you're just trying to deny the existence of morals, and claim it's impossible to have them, to give yourself an excuse for being a selfish, uncaring, lying misanthropic scumbag.

I answered it in my second response.

By this point, I'm finding it difficult to keep track of what you're yammering lies about.

No; Brahma resides in Brahmlakoka, the highest celestial abode which possess twenty heavens. It is not contained within this universe.

Prove it.

Is that proven? No.

Yes it is. Think about it, how could God have created the universe if He didn't exist before it began? You're a bit dim.

Besides, you have to look at it from the spiritual and intellectual perspectives of the cultures that possessed these gods to gain understanding. If the country was in a time of peace, the culture had benevolent gods. If the country was counstantly besieged by floods, they had vengeful gods.

If I tried to "look at it from the spiritual and intellectual perspectives" of a bunch of demon-worshippers, God would probably send me to Hell for blasphemy, and rightly so. They were trying to be Christians and they got it wrong, end of story.

I was speaking of two discrete instances, although I could have better differenciated between ideas:
In dictatorships where one person is behind a government, the religion of the leader is taken into consideration. Hitler was Christian, and he was the sole person in charge of the government.
In democracies where multiple groups of people head the goverment, the religion of these people does not have a reflection on the policies of the land.

So you admit that the New Deal was an atheist plot against God? And please provide proof that Hitler's pagan Catholic beliefs influenced the essential atheist character of the Nazi project (which, by the way, you cannot condemn).

WHAT. I'm simply dying to know how protecting the environment can be considered immoral, by any meaning of the word.

You're an idiot on several counts. Do you even know who Jeff Luers is?
1) According to your stupid, inconsistent beliefs, no-one is ever right or wrong about anything ever, so if I, as an individual, arbitrarily choose to decide that environmentalism is immoral, that is every bit as objectively valid as any other definition of morality. Do you agree with that, or are you even more of a hypocrite than I thought you were?
2) Environmentalism leads directly to terrorism. Do you agree with Utah Phillips' famous quote, "The Earth is not dying - it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses"? Do you see how this quote leads directly to terrorism - not just in theory, but in the practice of the ELF, Earth First!, Sea Shepherd, the Coalition to Save the Preserves, the Unabomber, Jeff Luers, Eric McDavid, Daniel McGowan, and many more? Do some reading.
3) Global warming is a lie.

That wasn't the point I made - I never directly answered that statement, but rather said how there was no such thing as objective morality to begin with, in reality. I'll prove that one wrong if you like, though.
Pre-Socratic philosophy is the first example I can recall, the instance of Democritus - he believed in objective good and evil. Plato solidified this theory. This was hundreds of years before the Bible, I must add.

These theories, unlike Christianity, were internally inconsistent, and so did not provide usable objective standards of good and evil.

The rules of chess are not governed by authourity, and I was specifically referring to moral and legal laws in place.

Alright then, what does the Freedom of Information Act have to do with survival?

Look it up. Other beliefs have also had faith in eternal creation gods that exist outside the universe.

Prove these false gods existed. You're just proving Bobby-Joe's point about how they're all imitations of the real God.

Yes, I'm aware - but still, Judaism is a seperate religion asides from Christianity, so the idea of the infinite eternal creation god is expressed in both faiths. Also, Zoraastrianism and Islam also believe in such things.

Islam and Judaism are both splinter factions from Christianity. They are every bit as Christian as, say, Catholicism. Zoroastarianism is just a sinful, devil-inspired mockery of Christianity, and so can be safely discarded.

1: Atheists do have pity for others. This is just a false stereotype. Like everybody else, the attitude of the Atheist depends on the person, not their beliefs, skin color, accents, or anything like that.

So it's just an accident that Stalin, Mao and FDR were all atheists, right?

2: A natural disaster is neither a random event OR something from God. There are precursors to these events. For example, floods are preceded or accompanied by unnatural amounts of rain, Hurricanes, and things like that. The empathy thing also applies to #1. It depends on the person, not the differences between them. A person has their own opinions. Again, this is just a stereotype.

You have shown once again that, as Bobby-Joe claimed, atheists are blind to the willful tough love of God manifested in these events. Therefore, you are wrong.

By the way, you forgot #3.

That's the lamest excuse for an argument I've ever seen. Put up or shut up.

4: It's not random chance. It's Natural Selection. They adapted to different environments like hot and cold. For example, animals that live in colder environments have more fur or blubber than those who live in hot terrains. Again, see #1. This is just yet another piece of bias, flawed logic, misinformation, and stereotypes.

Why do they live in warmer or colder environments, though? Random chance, according to you. So BJ's still right.

5: No, morality does not come from a god and a 3,000 year book. Even Atheists know they have morality and standards. Again, a bunch of stereotypes appear. People have different standards of morality. Study more. Even a 5 year old with Down Syndrome can outsmart you buffoons.

You're an idiot. Apart from the fact that your fellow hateful atheist scumbag, Stella, has just copied and pasted numerous essays proving that atheists have no morals, to say that "people have different standards of morality" proves nothing. You can have as many subjective moral codes as you like, but objective morality can only come from God.

6: Again, stereotyping at its finest. By finest I mean dirtiest and most wrong.

Not an argument, so point 6 clearly still stands.

7: Stop trying to distort reality to your favor. Again, stereotypes are present here.

Not an argument, so point 7 clearly still stands.

8: Well, prove your god exists without your Bible or Wikipedia. A book proving itself with itself is a logical fallacy.

The universe exists. How could it exist if God hadn't created it? By the way, prove logic works without using logic.

9: No, it is not. Again, distortion of reality and stereotyping.

Not an argument, so point 9 clearly still stands.

10: Look at #8.

You don't believe in an infinite creator God, we do, so we win. Simple as that.

Also, Baka means idiot in Japanese, so my name says you are all idiots.

And chinks are wrong about most things, so if they think we're idiots then that's no skin off my beautiful Christian nose.

Maybe happy isn't all we want to be. As Hobbes said, "If you are squeamish, then do not prod the beach rubble."
You run screaming away when confronted with the problems of the world, saying that god did it and you shouldn't help because nowhere in the bible are the words "Thou shalt send thy funds to thy victims of earthquakes, for the LORD said that this was good."

We don't run screaming away, we are entirely calm and complacent about them. That's the opposite of running screaming away. And it's still the case that we are much more loving and caring than atheists. We sent over 5000 Bibles to the victims of the floods in Pakistan, how many Bibles did you send?

[BakaisMe]

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Of course religion wasn't important in them, because they were atheists! And excuse me if I find it hard to keep track of what the point was, since you seem to change it every time you post, and sometimes more often than that.


Because you believe in karma.

Karma is a higher power.

Kill yourself.

But it's not an inevitable part of existence, because we have morals. It sounds like you're just trying to deny the existence of morals, and claim it's impossible to have them, to give yourself an excuse for being a selfish, uncaring, lying misanthropic scumbag.

By this point, I'm finding it difficult to keep track of what you're yammering lies about.

Prove it.

Yes it is. Think about it, how could God have created the universe if He didn't exist before it began? You're a bit dim.

If I tried to "look at it from the spiritual and intellectual perspectives" of a bunch of demon-worshippers, God would probably send me to Hell for blasphemy, and rightly so. They were trying to be Christians and they got it wrong, end of story.

So you admit that the New Deal was an atheist plot against God? And please provide proof that Hitler's pagan Catholic beliefs influenced the essential atheist character of the Nazi project (which, by the way, you cannot condemn).

You're an idiot on several counts. Do you even know who Jeff Luers is?
1) According to your stupid, inconsistent beliefs, no-one is ever right or wrong about anything ever, so if I, as an individual, arbitrarily choose to decide that environmentalism is immoral, that is every bit as objectively valid as any other definition of morality. Do you agree with that, or are you even more of a hypocrite than I thought you were?
2) Environmentalism leads directly to terrorism. Do you agree with Utah Phillips' famous quote, "The Earth is not dying - it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses"? Do you see how this quote leads directly to terrorism - not just in theory, but in the practice of the ELF, Earth First!, Sea Shepherd, the Coalition to Save the Preserves, the Unabomber, Jeff Luers, Eric McDavid, Daniel McGowan, and many more? Do some reading.
3) Global warming is a lie.

These theories, unlike Christianity, were internally inconsistent, and so did not provide usable objective standards of good and evil.

Alright then, what does the Freedom of Information Act have to do with survival?

Prove these false gods existed. You're just proving Bobby-Joe's point about how they're all imitations of the real God.

Islam and Judaism are both splinter factions from Christianity. They are every bit as Christian as, say, Catholicism. Zoroastarianism is just a sinful, devil-inspired mockery of Christianity, and so can be safely discarded.

So it's just an accident that Stalin, Mao and FDR were all atheists, right?

You have shown once again that, as Bobby-Joe claimed, atheists are blind to the willful tough love of God manifested in these events. Therefore, you are wrong.

That's the lamest excuse for an argument I've ever seen. Put up or shut up.

Why do they live in warmer or colder environments, though? Random chance, according to you. So BJ's still right.

You're an idiot. Apart from the fact that your fellow hateful atheist scumbag, Stella, has just copied and pasted numerous essays proving that atheists have no morals, to say that "people have different standards of morality" proves nothing. You can have as many subjective moral codes as you like, but objective morality can only come from God.

Not an argument, so point 6 clearly still stands.

Not an argument, so point 7 clearly still stands.

The universe exists. How could it exist if God hadn't created it? By the way, prove logic works without using logic.

Not an argument, so point 9 clearly still stands.

You don't believe in an infinite creator God, we do, so we win. Simple as that.

And chinks are wrong about most things, so if they think we're idiots then that's no skin off my beautiful Christian nose.

We don't run screaming away, we are entirely calm and complacent about them. That's the opposite of running screaming away. And it's still the case that we are much more loving and caring than atheists. We sent over 5000 Bibles to the victims of the floods in Pakistan, how many Bibles did you send?

This is Bakaisyou. Why do you keep on stereotyping people by their beliefs? People are not like that. Also, when criticizing another religion, look up their rituals, facts about that religion, etc etc etc. Use actual, reliable evidence. I see some butthurt coming out of your anus. The Bible is a book. Books cannot prove something alone. Even Holy Books cannot prove something alone. We need to use documentaries (Books, but they tell about lives, but you need to provide something more than a book, so don't try to argue back about this.), archives, documents about how they behave, and more. You just make up things on the spot with little to no research. I can see now that you are in fact, a cult. You preach falsehood and teach your followers on how to be butthurt, make falsehood, and stuff like that. You are almost like Scientology. Now go eat some driftwood and keep on sucking Jesus' {sodomy reference removed}.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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This is Bakaisyou.

We can read your forum name, thanks.

Why do you keep on stereotyping people by their beliefs? People are not like that.

Oh really? Show me a muslim who doesn't think that pedophilia is OK. (Their god married a seven year old and consummated the marriage when she was NINE!) Show me an atheist who doesn't believe in evilution.

Also, when criticizing another religion, look up their rituals, facts about that religion, etc etc etc. Use actual, reliable evidence.

We have the only evidence we need: The King James Bible. It PROVES that God is the Way and the Truth.

The Bible is a book. Books cannot prove something alone. Even Holy Books cannot prove something alone.

Tell that to evilutionists. They read On the Origins of Species and have followed the false Darwinism religion ever since. The BIBLE is not a mere book, however. It is the Word of God.

We need to use documentaries (Books, but they tell about lives, but you need to provide something more than a book, so don't try to argue back about this.)

More atheists saying "trust me...don't argue with me..." LOL!

, archives, documents about how they behave, and more.

So you say we need documents, archives and documents. And an archives is what? A collection of documents. So, in the end, you say we need "documents, collections of documents, and documents." You do realize that the Bible is a collection of documents, right? Written by MULTIPLE witnesses, right? So doesn't the Bible give you the "documents, collections of documents, and documents" that you ask for?

You just make up things on the spot with little to no research.

EVERYTHING we say is backed up by scripture and thousands of years of theological thought and research into scripture. You don't seem to be able to read the Bible and admit that what we say comes straight form the Good Book.

I can see now that you are in fact, a cult. You preach falsehood and teach your followers on how to be butthurt, make falsehood, and stuff like that. You are almost like Scientology.

Go look up the definition of a cult. Then come back here and apologize.

[Stella LaForte]

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Hogwash! The guidelines for morality did not come through so-called, satan worshippin' philosophers.The guidelines came from Jesus!

Look at a historical timeline. Socrates, Plato, and Democritus all lived before Jesus did. Socrates: 469 BCE–399 BCE. Jesus: 5 BCE-30 CE.

We are not to be partakeers with you for the Lord's Wrath is kindled against you!

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "the Lord's wrath is kindled against me"... using a source other than the Bible. Go on.

Beware! This one may have a case of hemorrhoids-a sure sign of God's Wrath.

In reality, haemorrhoids are caused by obesity, enlargement of haemorrhoidal vessels, aging, abnormal bowel habits, and other such things that increse strain - and it's a genetic predilection. As usual, God has nothing to do with it.

What utter nonsense is this? Twenty heavens? Brahmla-cuckoo seems more like it. I suppose this is just the kind of religion that you get from horrible nutrition, powerful hallucinogens and backwards savagery.

Just because the Hindi faith seems foreign to you doesn't make it make any less sense than your own religion.

Hitler was not Christian. He was a devout atheist who merely used the tools of religion to advance his cause. In Hitler's Table Talk, he explicitly revealed his hatred of Christianity, calling it all a lie and a disease. If anything, I think Nazism is far more closely linked to Paganism. Hitler's full support of Himmler's decidedly-fierce pursuit of such things is proof enough.

You can also pull a number of quotes that say otherwise: For instance, Hitler saying "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," "I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity," and "We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
Hitler was Christian and against atheism.

Of course religion wasn't important in them, because they were atheists! And excuse me if I find it hard to keep track of what the point was, since you seem to change it every time you post, and sometimes more often than that.

*sighs* See above for the example in Naziism.

Because you believe in karma.

If you're referring to the nonsense in my introduction post, that was just to see the reactions from the people here. You'll see that nowhere else have I mentioned such things. Oh, and by the way, that wouldn't make me a false atheist.

Karma is a higher power.

No, Karma is thought to be an underlying rule of the universe.

Kill yourself.

Explain why you think so, please.

But it's not an inevitable part of existence, because we have morals. It sounds like you're just trying to deny the existence of morals, and claim it's impossible to have them, to give yourself an excuse for being a selfish, uncaring, lying misanthropic scumbag.

But what are morals, in reality? Vague concepts with no real definition. Just what's in accordance to the conduct expected. And of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, that was my entire point - one second it's "Thou shalt not kill," the next it's "Burn witches," for an example.

By this point, I'm finding it difficult to keep track of what you're yammering lies about.

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Prove it.

I can prove the existence of Brahma with Hindi holy texts in the same way that I can prove the existence of God with Christian holy texts. Actually, seeing as you prove God with the Bible, I can prove Harry Potter's existence based off the Harry Potter books. I can prove that Legloas and Frodo exist with the Lord of the Rings! Think about your logic.

Yes it is. Think about it, how could God have created the universe if He didn't exist before it began? You're a bit dim.

I meant, prove to me that God did create the universe... without using the Bible. Again, just try.

If I tried to "look at it from the spiritual and intellectual perspectives" of a bunch of demon-worshippers, God would probably send me to Hell for blasphemy, and rightly so. They were trying to be Christians and they got it wrong, end of story.

What a grand excuse for ignorance that is. And how could they be Christians when there was no Christ yet?

So you admit that the New Deal was an atheist plot against God? And please provide proof that Hitler's pagan Catholic beliefs influenced the essential atheist character of the Nazi project (which, by the way, you cannot condemn).

... When on Earth did I say that about the New Deal? I said just the opposite. Please stop making up things I say.
And again with Hitler? This is such a pointless argument. But I'll play along. In Mein Kampf, Hitler's autobiography, he stated that he thought the Aryan race was created by God, and that it was a sin against God to dilute that heritage through racial intermixing. This led him to want to exterminate everyone outside the "Aryan" race - Jews, Romani, Soviets, etc.

You're an idiot on several counts. Do you even know who Jeff Luers is?
1) According to your stupid, inconsistent beliefs, no-one is ever right or wrong about anything ever, so if I, as an individual, arbitrarily choose to decide that environmentalism is immoral, that is every bit as objectively valid as any other definition of morality. Do you agree with that, or are you even more of a hypocrite than I thought you were?
2) Environmentalism leads directly to terrorism. Do you agree with Utah Phillips' famous quote, "The Earth is not dying - it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses"? Do you see how this quote leads directly to terrorism - not just in theory, but in the practice of the ELF, Earth First!, Sea Shepherd, the Coalition to Save the Preserves, the Unabomber, Jeff Luers, Eric McDavid, Daniel McGowan, and many more? Do some reading.
3) Global warming is a lie.

Yes, I know of Jeff Luers - he was an environmentalist that tried to bring attention to the unsustainability of the extreme capitalist system of America. And are you familiar with the events occuring in the Dark Ages? If not, the peasants created a revolutionary agricultural technique then. You see, every year, they planted the same amount of crops in the same fields. Year after year, the productivity dwindled lower and lower until nothing grew. The peasants realised this, and worked hard to preserve their fields, restoring nitrogen and oxygen to it. You see... peasants in the European Dark Ages came to a conclusion that not even "civilised society" came to: You can't take a limited amount of resources and exploit it infinitely and expect it to continue to yield the same results year after year. Yet, that's just what we're doing to the planet.
1) I agree completely! I'm glad you got that.
2) Depends on how you define terrorism. Are not all revolutionaries considered terrorists? Jesus was considered a terrorist, you know, for having philosophies that differed from the norm.
3) ... No... No, it's not... Please do some research on that topic.

These theories, unlike Christianity, were internally inconsistent, and so did not provide usable objective standards of good and evil.

Oh, come off it. The Bible contradicts itself too many times to count.

Alright then, what does the Freedom of Information Act have to do with survival?

Another step in preventing revolutions and internal dissent.

Prove these false gods existed. You're just proving Bobby-Joe's point about how they're all imitations of the real God.

Again, I can prove them with the holy texts of those religions in the same way that I can prove that God exists with the holy texts of Christianity. "This anthology says this guy exists." Well gee, then he must!

Islam and Judaism are both splinter factions from Christianity. They are every bit as Christian as, say, Catholicism. Zoroastarianism is just a sinful, devil-inspired mockery of Christianity, and so can be safely discarded.
So it's just an accident that Stalin, Mao and FDR were all atheists, right?
You have shown once again that, as Bobby-Joe claimed, atheists are blind to the willful tough love of God manifested in these events. Therefore, you are wrong.

WHAT. Judaism and Zoroastrianism both existed before Christianity, sorry to say!
Yeah, they were atheists and communists. And? Communism requires atheism because they put the Party in place of a god.

You're an idiot. Apart from the fact that your fellow hateful atheist scumbag, Stella, has just copied and pasted numerous essays proving that atheists have no morals, to say that "people have different standards of morality" proves nothing.

Excuse me, but I wrote that. I emailed the website that plagiarised it from me, and they took it down. See? http://www.xkaw.com/Arts_Humanities/...asp?id=1498376

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Look at a historical timeline. Socrates, Plato, and Democritus all lived before Jesus did. Socrates: 469 BCE–399 BCE. Jesus: 5 BCE-30 CE.

Wrong. Jesus has existed since the beginning of time.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "the Lord's wrath is kindled against me"... using a source other than the Bible. Go on.

"So that, thus it is that natural men are held in the hand of God, over the pit of hell; they have deserved the fiery pit, and are already sentenced to it; and God is dreadfully provoked, his anger is as great towards them as to those that are actually suffering the executions of the fierceness of his wrath in hell, and they have done nothing in the least to appease or abate that anger, neither is God in the least bound by any promise to hold them up one moment; the devil is waiting for them, hell is gaping for them, the flames gather and flash about them, and would fain lay hold on them, and swallow them up; the fire pent up in their own hearts is struggling to break out: and they have no interest in any Mediator, there are no means within reach that can be any security to them. In short, they have no refuge, nothing to take hold of; all that preserves them every moment is the mere arbitrary will, and uncovenanted, unobliged forbearance of an incensed God." Excerpt from Jonathan Edward's Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.


You will notice I properly cited my source.

In reality, haemorrhoids are caused by obesity, enlargement of haemorrhoidal vessels, aging, abnormal bowel habits, and other such things that increse strain - and it's a genetic predilection. As usual, God has nothing to do with it.

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "As usual, God has nothing to do with it"... using a source other than atheist propaganda. Go on.

Just because the Hindi faith seems foreign to you doesn't make it make any less sense than your own religion.

Ad-hominems and blatant non-sense. If you really can't understand why the Hindoo faith is much more ridiculous then the idea of a six day creation, burning bushes that talk, and a man who is really God dying for all of our sins, then there really isn't much hope for you at all.

You can also pull a number of quotes that say otherwise: For instance, Hitler saying "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," "I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity," and "We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
Hitler was Christian and against atheism.

Wrong again, Stella LaFornicate. Hitler wasn't a Christian because Hitler was a papist! And everybody knows the papists have been in league with the atheists for years in their crusade to destroy all vestiges of True Christianity™.

*sighs* See above for the example in Naziism.

*sighs* See above for the example in Naziism.

If you're referring to the nonsense in my introduction post, that was just to see the reactions from the people here. You'll see that nowhere else have I mentioned such things. Oh, and by the way, that wouldn't make me a false atheist.

Uh huh, you were just conducting some sort of social experiment, right? Allow me to profess my unbelief at that statement.

And yes, it would, simply because the concept of karma requires some sort of being that keeps track of it.

No, Karma is thought to be an underlying rule of the universe.

So one minute you claim to believe in karma, the next you claim that you don't, and the next you claim it to be an underlying rule of the universe? Can't you atheists even bother to get your mythology right?

Explain why you think so, please.

I can't speak for Brother Temperance here.

But what are morals, in reality? Vague concepts with no real definition. Just what's in accordance to the conduct expected. And of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, that was my entire point - one second it's "Thou shalt not kill," the next it's "Burn witches," for an example.

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Again, I can't speak for Brother Temperance, but I am also having trouble keeping your yammering straight.

I can prove the existence of Brahma with Hindi holy texts in the same way that I can prove the existence of God with Christian holy texts. Actually, seeing as you prove God with the Bible, I can prove Harry Potter's existence based off the Harry Potter books. I can prove that Legloas and Frodo exist with the Lord of the Rings! Think about your logic.

This has to be the most ridiculous atheistic argument I've ever seen. Of course I can prove Frodo exists with the Lord of the Rings, if I blatantly ignore all the real-world evidence to the contrary. On the other hand, we can prove God exists by examining exactly how much of the Bible is consistent with the real world (protip: its quite a bit!) and then drawing conclusions from there.

I meant, prove to me that God did create the universe... without using the Bible. Again, just try.

Why don't you prove to me the Big Bang occurred without using any science propaganda? Its ok, I can wait.

What a grand excuse for ignorance that is. And how could they be Christians when there was no Christ yet?

I have already proven to you how Christ has existed since the beginning of time. Are you ready to admit defeat yet?

... When on Earth did I say that about the New Deal? I said just the opposite. Please stop making up things I say.
And again with Hitler? This is such a pointless argument. But I'll play along. In Mein Kampf, Hitler's autobiography, he stated that he thought the Aryan race was created by God, and that it was a sin against God to dilute that heritage through racial intermixing. This led him to want to exterminate everyone outside the "Aryan" race - Jews, Romani, Soviets, etc.

I'm glad to see you're finally accepting the fact that the atheist religion has false deities.

Yes, I know of Jeff Luers - he was an environmentalist that tried to bring attention to the unsustainability of the extreme capitalist system of America. And are you familiar with the events occuring in the Dark Ages? If not, the peasants created a revolutionary agricultural technique then. You see, every year, they planted the same amount of crops in the same fields. Year after year, the productivity dwindled lower and lower until nothing grew. The peasants realised this, and worked hard to preserve their fields, restoring nitrogen and oxygen to it. You see... peasants in the European Dark Ages came to a conclusion that not even "civilised society" came to: You can't take a limited amount of resources and exploit it infinitely and expect it to continue to yield the same results year after year. Yet, that's just what we're doing to the planet.
1) I agree completely! I'm glad you got that.
2) Depends on how you define terrorism. Are not all revolutionaries considered terrorists? Jesus was considered a terrorist, you know, for having philosophies that differed from the norm.
3) ... No... No, it's not... Please do some research on that topic.

1. I'm glad you've finally decided to agree with us and have stopped flip-flopping.
2. Please don't mock my faith by calling Jesus a terrorist. That was just uncalled for.
3. Listen, global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the liebral media and the sooner you accept this the sooner we can start working on getting you Saved©. Do you really think an omnipotent God couldn't stop global warming if He wanted to?

Oh, come off it. The Bible contradicts itself too many times to count.

Wrong, there are absolutely no contradictions in the Bible. I know this because the Bible tells me so.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16

Why would a perfect being who inspired all scripture put contradictions in that scripture? Answer me that, Ms. Stella.

Another step in preventing revolutions and internal dissent.

So the Freedom of Information act is a moral law? Please explain your reasoning behind this. Might I remind you that you've also claimed not to believe in an objective morality?

Again, I can prove them with the holy texts of those religions in the same way that I can prove that God exists with the holy texts of Christianity. "This anthology says this guy exists." Well gee, then he must!

I've already addressed this.

WHAT.

Judaism and Zoroastrianism both existed before Christianity, sorry to say!
Yeah, they were atheists and communists. And? Communism requires atheism because they put the Party in place of a god.

I've already addressed both of these.

Excuse me, but I wrote that. I emailed the website that plagiarised it from me, and they took it down. See? http://www.xkaw.com/Arts_Humanities/...asp?id=1498376

Well, I hope that seeing how plagiarism effects the original author firsthand has given you an appreciation for how it is wrong morally. Of course, you can only appreciate it if you first believe in an objective morality.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Oh, really? Go on, prove that "the Lord's wrath is kindled against me"... using a source other than the Bible. Go on.

9/11

If you're referring to the nonsense in my introduction post, that was just to see the reactions from the people here. You'll see that nowhere else have I mentioned such things.

Why would you go on the internet and pretend to believe something that you don't actually believe in? That sort of behaviour is very rude and disrespectful. Not to mention that I've caught you lying once again, since you brought that nonsense up in at least two different threads.

No, Karma is thought to be an underlying rule of the universe.

So if I redefine God and His Laws as underlying rules of the universe, I can join your atheist club too?

Explain why you think so, please.

You've said that you're not keen on humanity, so I was giving a helpful suggestion as to how you could reduce the human problem without harming anyone else.

But what are morals, in reality? Vague concepts with no real definition.

That's true of secular morals. Not of Christian morals. That's why we're superior. There is a very specific definition of what our morality means.

Just what's in accordance to the conduct expected. And of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, that was my entire point - one second it's "Thou shalt not kill," the next it's "Burn witches," for an example.

You're trying to invent a contradiction when there is none. It's legal to smoke cigarettes, but it's not legal to do so in restaurants. Is that a contradiction?

I can prove the existence of Brahma with Hindi holy texts in the same way that I can prove the existence of God with Christian holy texts. Actually, seeing as you prove God with the Bible, I can prove Harry Potter's existence based off the Harry Potter books. I can prove that Legloas and Frodo exist with the Lord of the Rings! Think about your logic.

But God didn't write any of those books.

I meant, prove to me that God did create the universe... without using the Bible. Again, just try.

It exists. If God hadn't created it, it wouldn't be there. That was simple.

What a grand excuse for ignorance that is. And how could they be Christians when there was no Christ yet?

The Godly Sister Lycia has already completely destroyed you on this point.

... When on Earth did I say that about the New Deal? I said just the opposite. Please stop making up things I say.

But FDR was an atheist.

Yes, I know of Jeff Luers - he was an environmentalist that tried to bring attention to the unsustainability of the extreme capitalist system of America.

Right. Trying to bring attention. Terrorism sounds so nice and fluffy when you put it like that.

1) I agree completely! I'm glad you got that.

And I'm glad that you admit environmentalism is immoral.

2) Depends on how you define terrorism. Are not all revolutionaries considered terrorists? Jesus was considered a terrorist, you know, for having philosophies that differed from the norm.

Provide evidence to support that statement.

3) ... No... No, it's not... Please do some research on that topic.

I have. I've lost count of the amount of threads I've read on this forum about why global warming is a lie. That's how rigourous my research has been.

Oh, come off it. The Bible contradicts itself too many times to count.

Nonsense. Why would God contradict Himself? He's perfect, remember.

Another step in preventing revolutions and internal dissent.

Do you even know what the Freedom of Information Act is? Or are you just spouting buzzwords to try and sound clever?

Again, I can prove them with the holy texts of those religions in the same way that I can prove that God exists with the holy texts of Christianity. "This anthology says this guy exists." Well gee, then he must!

The fact that they have holy texts is yet more proof that they're just imitations of the Christian model.

WHAT. Judaism and Zoroastrianism both existed before Christianity, sorry to say!

Real Jews are Christians. The sect now known as "Judaism" only emerged when some false Jews decided to reject Christ's message.

Yeah, they were atheists and communists. And? Communism requires atheism because they put the Party in place of a god.

So you admit that atheism leads to evil and Christianity prevents it. We'll make a Christian out of you yet, girl.

Excuse me, but I wrote that. I emailed the website that plagiarised it from me, and they took it down. See? http://www.xkaw.com/Arts_Humanities/...asp?id=1498376

I wasn't talking to you. It's rude to interrupt. I was responding to the atheist fool who was trying to claim that atheists have morals, a point which I'm sure you'll agree with me on. So there's really no need to be so argumentative.

[cheyennexcrystal]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

1. The Spain has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement. The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all. Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners? An Atheist can explain in a proven scientific manner why a natural disaster happens. For example, a tsunami. Techtonic plates in the Earth's crust shift, causing earthquakes. These earthquakes produce shockwaves that travel through water, gradually getting larger and larger until it strikes land.

3. This was obviously skipped.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet. Running around naked would be illogical because of the seasons, it becomes too cold. Natural instinct would tell us we need something covering our body to maintain our natural body temperature. Humans from the beginning of time have shunned cannibalism. Most animals shy away from this as well. So, according to Atheistic beliefs, we would not be running around naked, eating each other. And throwing feces? Do you truly think Atheists are that foul? You are wrong.

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet. And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

Please, before you go posting your argument, make sure you research your topics, which you obviously have not done. Your research of European History is significantly wrong, and my college textbook can validate that. Do not assume Atheists are immoral, foul beings, because they truly are not. It's okay to have a different view than someone else, just make sure you are able to back up your argument with valid evidence which this article seemed to contain none of which. Proofreading is also an amazing writing technique to use so you do not seem like an unintelligent mormon. Ponder these arguments instead of retreating to your brainwashed bigotry.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

This isn't a debate site, this site exists to Glorify God.

1. The Spain has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement. The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all. Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

**sigh** Catholics are not Christians
So there's your first mistake. In fact hasn't this all been covered in this very thread? Oh and Hitler was a Catholic, see above statement.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners? An Atheist can explain in a proven scientific manner why a natural disaster happens. For example, a tsunami. Techtonic plates in the Earth's crust shift, causing earthquakes. These earthquakes produce shockwaves that travel through water, gradually getting larger and larger until it strikes land.

So you decide who's sinful and innocent? How do you know that "innocent people die"? Because according to the Bible.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

3. This was obviously skipped.

Glad to see you have no response to it.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet. Running around naked would be illogical because of the seasons, it becomes too cold. Natural instinct would tell us we need something covering our body to maintain our natural body temperature. Humans from the beginning of time have shunned cannibalism. Most animals shy away from this as well. So, according to Atheistic beliefs, we would not be running around naked, eating each other. And throwing feces? Do you truly think Atheists are that foul? You are wrong.

Oh really. Can you track a criminal 15 miles using only your sense of smell? Why is running around IN AFRICA illogical? Why did we "evolve" without fur if we need it? Animals shun cannibalism? Have you ever met an animal besides the goldfish your mommy gave you when you were 5? Cat's and Dogs eat their babies ALL THE TIME! Oh, and why wouldn't an atheist throw feces, or eat it, after all, we're only bald, defensless, apes.

In fact thinking about it, how exactly could we "evolve" to the top of the food chain? No teeth, no armor, no claws, a gophers better defended than we are. How would we have even got the chance to "evolve"?

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

You've never actually read a Bible, have you. God demands a lot of killing.

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

Oh, I see, so if you're raised by people who think we're feces throwing apes, then it's okay to throw feces. Oh and how dare you frown on any Chinese person who follows you home and eats your dog, after all, he's only doing what he was raised to do. Oh, and if Atheists don't lie, cheat, or murder, can you please explain where the liars cheaters and murders come from? After all, morality is subjective in an Atheist world.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

**sigh** John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Yeah, Christianity is the first religion.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

Yet how many proclaimed atheists have come on here claiming to believe in "gaia" the "flying spaghetti monster" "Karma" or some other unbiblical garbage. You guys will believe anything that pulls people further away from God.

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

But the Jews crucified Jesus, so they're on the outs. Oh and see Biblical quote above.

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet. And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

The Jews believe in Jesus? So why'd they bother to crucify him? Oh and although the muzzies say they believe in Jesus, I've noticed they don't care if you Atheists insult him, but go insult ol' Mo and they'll burn your house down after decapitating you and your family.

Please, before you go posting your argument, make sure you research your topics, which you obviously have not done. Your research of European History is significantly wrong, and my college textbook can validate that. Do not assume Atheists are immoral, foul beings, because they truly are not. It's okay to have a different view than someone else, just make sure you are able to back up your argument with valid evidence which this article seemed to contain none of which. Proofreading is also an amazing writing technique to use so you do not seem like an unintelligent mormon. Ponder these arguments instead of retreating to your brainwashed bigotry.

The Good Brothers research is impeccable. Oh, I also like how you dismiss the Word of God, but take your "college text book" on pure faith.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Before posting, please learn ability to use proper grammar and to count correctly. You've also contradicted yourself greatly from the start. You claim to await any rebuttals from Atheists but then refer to a thread that claims this is not a debate site. I will, however, argue my points anyway.

1. The Spain

Pro-tip: Don't lecture others on their use of language and then refer to "The Spain".

has had Christian roots for several hundred years, and that's including the Spanish Inquisition. They have never had a large Atheistic influence; the only other religion was Islam which happened to be around the 1500-1600's. Most wars during this time were over religion, aka, Christians killing (violating the 10 Commandments) hundreds of thousands of people. For example, Queen Mary Tudor of England was a very strict Catholic. However, she made a point against Protestants that they were not welcome in her country and burned one once a week for her amusement.

We know that Catholics are scum. What's your point?

The New Deal was an economic stimulus for America to get the country out of the Great Depression during the 1920's which had nothing to do with Atheism at all.

I'm sure. Just like how Stalin had nothing to do with socialism, right?

Hitler, in fact, was Christian. He claimed to believe in an "Aryan" Christ. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

He was a Catholic too. Please research historical facts before arguing your point.

2. If a Christian claims to know why a natural disaster happens, please explain to me why many innocent people die whom are not sinners?

Which innocent people? Name them.

3. This was obviously skipped.

Yes, obviously you did skip it.

4. Atheists do believe there is a significant difference between animals and humans. Humans obviously are more intelligent than any other creature, as we have expanded throughout the whole planet.

So you believe it's acceptable to eat retards?

5. Ancient Rome was never Atheistic. They have been the birthplace for Catholicism for hundreds of years. Rome was entirely Catholic whenever they invaded other countries. I'm not sure if you are attempting to reference the Holy Roman Empire when the Hasburg's went on a massive invasion spree, but Rome and the Holy Roman Empire are not one and the same. "Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed," is what you stated; however, it is against the Ten Commandments to kill anyone, and therefore, sinning.

It's not a sin if GOD tells you to do it!

6. Atheists feel no pity is your first argument, so you are basically stating the same argument twice. Atheists have their own morals due to social standards and how they are raised. Atheistic households do not raise their children to steal, lie, cheat, or murder. Atheists have morals because they are learned from birth, just as any other Christian.

But there is no objective basis for those morals.

7. First off, it's spelled throughout. The past was not entirely Christian. Jews and Pagans ruled the Earth before Christ was born. Christianity is not the oldest religion.

But GOD is the oldest God.

8. An Atheist can't show you that a false god exists? You make entirely no sense. Atheisms believe that the Christian god is a fake god as is all the other forms of him. However, Christians can't prove that there is a true god. An Atheists argument would be: have you truly seen God, in the flesh? Right before your eyes? Not just in your prayers? Chances are, probably not.

I've seen His Book that He wrote. Have you truly seen Richard Dawkins, in the flesh? Right before your eyes?

9. Christianity is not the "Gold Standard." They were not the oldest nor the newest. Judaism was present on Earth far before Christianity and the same with Paganism. However, you cannot argue that Atheism is a new religion because it has been around for a couple millenia; they were just not in the vast majority to be counted. So no, Atheism is not a "new religion."

This is not an argument.

10. So you're saying that Islam and Judaism do not have the same ideas? You are wrong. Both religions even believe in Christ; they just do not accept Jesus as the son of God. They believed he was only a prophet.

Please back up that lie with reference to Jewish holy texts.

And Atheism doesn't believe in an eternal, infinite God? Wonder why? Because they don't believe in any god, period.

And we do, so we win!