[JennyD]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Fantasizing about breaking God's Law is inherently EVIL, and SINFUL.

Nonsense. Fantsizing is not, in itself, harmful to anyone, including your deity.

Did I at any point say that things evil and sinful are harmful to God?

Nothing you or I can do can harm God! He is invulnerable to anything we might say or any act we may commit. Of course, He does punish anyone who tries to harm Him by sinning, and His feelings are wounded by those who turn their backs on Him, resulting in unending torture in the Lake of Fire.

The issues were never cloudy for me.

Obviously, rape is theft. I even explained how.

God commands that any man who rapes a woman must pay the woman's father fifty shekels and take her as his wife. Failure to do so is STEALING from the woman's father!

What part of "Thou shalt not steal" is "cloudy" to you?

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

In other words, not evil at all, since homosexuality and transvestitism are not evil, and Satan doesn't exist.

Of course they are evil. God Almighty said they are. For you, a limited human being who does not know everything, to state in absolute terms that Satan does not exist is extremely pig-headed, arrogant, and self-righteous. You don't honestly believe yourself to be omniscient do you? Of course not.

Check and Mate!!!

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Yes.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Obviously, rape is theft. I even explained how.

God commands that any man who rapes a woman must pay the woman's father fifty shekels and take her as his wife. Failure to do so is STEALING from the woman's father!

What part of "Thou shalt not steal" is "cloudy" to you?

Rape is only theft if you consider a woman the property of a man - I don't consider people to be property. I certainly am not my husband's property.

Rape is a violent crime and it is a crime against the woman who is raped, not against her father. It is not merely the sexual equivalent of shoplifting a candy bar at a convenience store.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Rape is only theft if you consider a woman the property of a man - I don't consider people to be property. I certainly am not my husband's property.

Rape is a violent crime and it is a crime against the woman who is raped, not against her father. It is not merely the sexual equivalent of shoplifting a candy bar at a convenience store.

A woman's reproductive ability is the property of her husband if she is married:

Ex. 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].

If not, it is her father's property:

Ex. 22:16-17: And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Therefore, I believe that the choice over what happens in the woman's womb should go to the rightful owner of that womb. Case closed.

[Deaner]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

It is not merely the sexual equivalent of shoplifting a candy bar at a convenience store.

Of course it isn't; we are not trying to marginalize anyone. But you have to understand the big picture.

First, who will marry a girl that has been raped? She has become unclean. This would be a terrible burden on the father and must be resolved; can you imagine the ridicule from the neighbours?

God solves this by ordering the girl to marry her rapist, grease the father a few bucks...and everybody's happy. Does the logic of this decision escape you?

[Old Iron Crotch]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

A woman's reproductive ability is the property of her husband if she is married:

Ex. 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].

If not, it is her father's property:

Ex. 22:16-17: And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Therefore, I believe that the choice over what happens in the woman's womb should go to the rightful owner of that womb. Case closed.

If a Christian woman's body belongs to her father or her husband, then that's one more reason for me to be glad that I'm not Christian.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

If a Christian woman's body belongs to her father or her husband, then that's one more reason for me to be glad that I'm not Christian.

I could turn that around and say that I'm glad I'm a Christian and not your father.

[Old Iron Crotch]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Of course it isn't; we are not trying to marginalize anyone. But you have to understand the big picture.

First, who will marry a girl that has been raped? She has become unclean. This would be a terrible burden on the father and must be resolved; can you imagine the ridicule from the neighbours?

SHE isn't the one who has done something wrong - the rapist is. SHE isn't "unclean" - he's the one whose soul is foul. And before you say it, that doesn't mena that she fouled his soul - only someone whose soul was foul to begin with would force himself on another person.

God solves this by ordering the girl to marry her rapist, grease the father a few bucks...and everybody's happy. Does the logic of this decision escape you?

That's not logic - it's punishing the woman by forcing her to spend the rest of her life with the person who violated her.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

That's not logic - it's punishing the woman by forcing her to spend the rest of her life with the person who violated her.

Yet again Dances tiresomely insist on hijacking a thread for her own agenda.

Dances, you agree with us and God that rape is wrong. The only debate is the severity of the crime. Now getting back to the thread subject; how can you condone a game that is nothing more than simulated rape? I think the answer is obvious; because you play those games yourself and harbor those same fantasies. Like more most femnazis you would love nothing more than to have your own tallywacker so you could go around penetrating other people at will.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

I for one find great moral difficulty in assuming a character that does not embody the Image in Whose Likeness I was cast, regardless of that character's rectitude or purpose. I’m not at all sure I could do it.

To play the part of something less than a True Christian™ is to show ingratitude for Salvation™. To assume a greater mantle would be presumptuous.

Play acting is also often done merely to draw attention to oneself without the attendant responsibilities (e.g. Hellywood - all of it)

I do not recall Christ finding it necessary to play games.

[Dr. Otto Bond Sr.]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

the question stands, what are your thoughts on this?

Can you roleplay as a True Christian(tm)?

[Old Iron Crotch]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

I could turn that around and say that I'm glad I'm a Christian and not your father.

I am also very glad that you're not my father. How about that? We agreed on something!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

SHE isn't the one who has done something wrong - the rapist is. SHE isn't "unclean" - he's the one whose soul is foul. And before you say it, that doesn't mena that she fouled his soul - only someone whose soul was foul to begin with would force himself on another person.

What are you babbling about? If you go into the supermarket and see that an item's freshness seal has been broken, do you just say, "Oh, well, it's not the item's fault that someone has tampered with it; I'll just buy and eat it anyway"? Of course not. You recognize that it has become unclean. So it is with a girl and her freshness seal.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are Roleplaying games Evil?

Is roleplay evil?

Not when it's between husband and wife.

(That's my position)

Husband and wife? Are those the roles that your parish priest decided that you and he should play? Which were you?