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  • Pastor Ezekiel
    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
     
    • Sep 2006
    • 78555

    #1

    Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

    Praise JESUS! For HE shall reveal the Truth© to the entire world! And we're doing that again today here on Landover Baptist Church forums. The mudslimes ADMIT that their false god NEVER EXISTED! HA! I knew it!

    Professor Hired for Outreach to Muslims Delivers a Jolt
    Islamic Theologian's Theory: It's Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed

    MÜNSTER, Germany -- Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany's first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn't like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.

    So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.

    Muslims, not surprisingly, are outraged. Even Danish cartoonists who triggered global protests a couple of years ago didn't portray the Prophet as real. German police, worried about a violent backlash, told the professor to move his religious-studies center to more-secure premises.

    "We had no idea he would have ideas like this," says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. "I'm a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I'm not a Muslim."

    When Prof. Kalisch took up his theology chair four years ago, he was seen as proof that modern Western scholarship and Islamic ways can mingle -- and counter the influence of radical preachers in Germany. He was put in charge of a new program at Münster, one of Germany's oldest and most respected universities, to train teachers in state schools to teach Muslim pupils about their faith.

    Muslim leaders cheered and joined an advisory board at his Center for Religious Studies. Politicians hailed the appointment as a sign of Germany's readiness to absorb some three million Muslims into mainstream society. But, says Andreas Pinkwart, a minister responsible for higher education in this north German region, "the results are disappointing."

    Prof. Kalisch, who insists he's still a Muslim, says he knew he would get in trouble but wanted to subject Islam to the same scrutiny as Christianity and Judaism. German scholars of the 19th century, he notes, were among the first to raise questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible.

    Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad's life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad's existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus.

    "Of course Muhammad existed," says Tilman Nagel, a scholar in Göttingen and author of a new book, "Muhammad: Life and Legend." The Prophet differed from the flawless figure of Islamic tradition, Prof. Nagel says, but "it is quite astonishing to say that thousands and thousands of pages about him were all forged" and there was no such person.

    All the same, Prof. Nagel has signed a petition in support of Prof. Kalisch, who has faced blistering criticism from Muslim groups and some secular German academics. "We are in Europe," Prof. Nagel says. "Education is about thinking, not just learning by heart."

    Prof. Kalisch's religious studies center recently removed a sign and erased its address from its Web site. The professor, a burly 42-year-old, says he has received no specific threats but has been denounced as apostate, a capital offense in some readings of Islam.

    "Maybe people are speculating that some idiot will come and cut off my head," he said during an interview in his study.

    A few minutes later, an assistant arrived in a panic to say a suspicious-looking digital clock had been found lying in the hallway. Police, called to the scene, declared the clock harmless.

    A convert to Islam at age 15, Prof. Kalisch says he was drawn to the faith because it seemed more rational than others. He embraced a branch of Shiite Islam noted for its skeptical bent. After working briefly as a lawyer, he began work in 2001 on a postdoctoral thesis in Islamic law in Hamburg, to go through the elaborate process required to become a professor in Germany.

    The Sept. 11 attacks in the U.S. that year appalled Mr. Kalisch but didn't dent his devotion. Indeed, after he arrived at Münster University in 2004, he struck some as too conservative. Sami Alrabaa, a scholar at a nearby college, recalls attending a lecture by Prof. Kalisch and being upset by his doctrinaire defense of Islamic law, known as Sharia.

    In private, he was moving in a different direction. He devoured works questioning the existence of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Then "I said to myself: You've dealt with Christianity and Judaism but what about your own religion? Can you take it for granted that Muhammad existed?"

    He had no doubts at first, but slowly they emerged. He was struck, he says, by the fact that the first coins bearing Muhammad's name did not appear until the late 7th century -- six decades after the religion did.

    He traded ideas with some scholars in Saarbrücken who in recent years have been pushing the idea of Muhammad's nonexistence. They claim that "Muhammad" wasn't the name of a person but a title, and that Islam began as a Christian heresy.

    Prof. Kalisch didn't buy all of this. Contributing last year to a book on Islam, he weighed the odds and called Muhammad's existence "more probable than not." By early this year, though, his thinking had shifted. "The more I read, the historical person at the root of the whole thing became more and more improbable," he says.

    He has doubts, too, about the Quran. "God doesn't write books," Prof. Kalisch says.

    Some of his students voiced alarm at the direction of his teaching. "I began to wonder if he would one day say he doesn't exist himself," says one. A few boycotted his lectures. Others sang his praises.

    Prof. Kalisch says he "never told students 'just believe what Kalisch thinks' " but seeks to teach them to think independently. Religions, he says, are "crutches" that help believers get to "the spiritual truth behind them." To him, what matters isn't whether Muhammad actually lived but the philosophy presented in his name.

    This summer, the dispute hit the headlines. A Turkish-language German newspaper reported on it with gusto. Media in the Muslim world picked up on it.

    Germany's Muslim Coordinating Council withdrew from the advisory board of Prof. Kalisch's center. Some Council members refused to address him by his adopted Muslim name, Muhammad, saying that he should now be known as Sven.

    German academics split. Michael Marx, a Quran scholar at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences, warned that Prof. Kalisch's views would discredit German scholarship and make it difficult for German scholars to work in Muslim lands. But Ursula Spuler-Stegemann, an Islamic studies scholar at the University of Marburg, set up a Web site called solidaritymuhammadkalisch.com and started an online petition of support.

    Alarmed that a pioneering effort at Muslim outreach was only stoking antagonism, Münster University decided to douse the flames. Prof. Kalisch was told he could keep his professorship but must stop teaching Islam to future school teachers.

    The professor says he's more determined than ever to keep probing his faith. He is finishing a book to explain his thoughts. It's in English instead of German because he wants to make a bigger impact. "I'm convinced that what I'm doing is necessary. There must be a free discussion of Islam," he says.
    Who Will Jesus Damn?

    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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  • Levi Jones
    Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
    Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
    Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
     
    • Jul 2009
    • 13930

    #2
    Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

    What an incredibly brave man to stand up and speak the truth that Muhammad is made up whole cloth myths and heresy from Christianity; the Truth®.

    I only wish more mooselimbs could understand this and accept Jesus Christ.
    Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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    • Prayer Warrior
      True Christian™
      True Christian™
      • Sep 2011
      • 853

      #3
      Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

      The only reason more Muslims haven't spoken up is because radical Islamist terrorists murder anyone who wants to have an open discussion about their ridiculous religious beliefs.

      If only more Muslims would have the courage to speak the truth about their so called "prophet". Once they've established that their so called prophet is completely made up, then they can make the next step and accept the Truth© that is Christianity.

      Here in America, people are free to become God-hating atheist scum, and the majority of people still choose to be Christians of their own free will. If people in the Middle East were allowed to choose their religion without being murdered, you can bet there'd be a lot more Christians.
      Close minded people are just right people who don't want to spend time arguing.

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      • Mary Etheldreda
        Gushing for Jesus
         
        • Sep 2011
        • 23775

        #4
        Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

        Pastor, this quote in particular really struck a chord with me.
        Prof. Kalisch was told he could keep his professorship but must stop teaching Islam to future school teachers.
        This is the muslim answer to normal, healthy skepticism - Silence those who question, and concentrate all efforts at teaching people to memorize and regurgitate what they have been taught without the benefit of critical thought. What a manipulation of one's intellect. Muslims are cowards, every last one of them.
        Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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        • Levi Jones
          Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
          Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
          Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
           
          • Jul 2009
          • 13930

          #5
          Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

          Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
          Pastor, this quote in particular really struck a chord with me.

          This is the muslim answer to normal, healthy skepticism - Silence those who question, and concentrate all efforts at teaching people to memorize and regurgitate what they have been taught without the benefit of critical thought. What a manipulation of one's intellect. Muslims are cowards, every last one of them.
          Thank God we are not like them, sister. We study to find out the Truth as Acts 17:11 tells us to.
          Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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          • Little Donkey
            Forum Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 498

            #6
            Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

            Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
            Pastor, this quote in particular really struck a chord with me.

            Prof. Kalisch was told he could keep his professorship but must stop teaching Islam to future school teachers.
            Mrs. Etheldreda, I know you're a woman but let me try to explain it to you. It is a good thing the Germans have silenced this fool. One less teacher of islam equals less terrorists attacking Americans on September 11. It's that simple.

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            • Redeemed Papist
              Former Mary Hailer who has seen The Light(c)
              True Christian™
              • Jul 2011
              • 10409

              #7
              Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

              You only need to read a few pages of the koo ran to come to the conclusion that it's a collection of rants about the sexual frustrations of some hairy desert savage punctuated by far fetched claims about the nature of the universe that stand up only to the most superficial scrutiny. It's an appeal to everyone to live like an illiterate buffoon who jumps at shadows, hears voice in his head and thinks it's an angel. How can this be true? What kind of idiots would take as truth such ridiculous testimony?

              Small wonder then that it's all just made up nonsense. Compare it to the majesty and truth of the King James Bible which is yet to be even slightly refuted. When it says there were giants and unicorns and talking serpents and world floods you can be sure it is our failure to find evidence to satisfy heretics and scientific fools that is at fault, not God.

              Why can't these fools just praise Jesus like a normal person?
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              Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

              John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

              Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
              The truth about volcanos
              Sex and debauchery in public schools
              Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
              God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
              Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

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              • Pim Pendergast
                PHD - Theophysicist
                Saving The Lost With The Truth Of Applied Theoscience
                True Christian™
                • Jun 2012
                • 3103

                #8
                Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

                Muhammad Sven Kalisch ... has spent years studying Islamic scripture

                So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.
                It just goes to show how weak their religion is if after years of studying the Koran and Islamic theology, one can be persuaded that Mohammed never lived. There's no way someone could study the Bible (KJV 1611) and Christian theology and then come to the conclusion that Jesus never really existed.
                sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

                Find out what the Bible says about: Fortnite: Battle Royale, asexuality, shaving, psychiatry, chronic fatigue syndrome, babies

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                • Thaddeus Allerton
                  Forum Member
                  Forum Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 73

                  #9
                  Re: Even The Islamists Admit Moohamad Never Existed!

                  I thank Jesus EVERY day that I am not part of a religion that is intolerant of others. Islam is a religion of pure evil and hatred. I feel nothing but love on these forums. I love everyone here! (cept the Joos, nigras, queers, members of false "christian" religions, atheist, retards, democrats, lesbians and communists). Thank you Jesus for allowing me to praise your name while being tolerant of others! Unlike the dirty Muslims.
                  Deuteronomy 23:1
                  Hee that is wounded in the stones, or hath his priuie member cut off, shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

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