[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

It's clear she is full of Satan's false word, this lost girl. She needs to Live By Faith I don't want to write an SA (sorry, essay), but this Child of God needs to become full of God's Grace.

[crazychick]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

It's clear she is full of Satan's false word, this lost girl. She needs to Live By Faith I don't want to write an SA (sorry, essay), but this Child of God needs to become full of God's Grace.

Who's God's Grace????

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Personally, I think she's an unsaved harlot with no chance of redemption. Twenty bucks says she's the type of girl that sends out videos of her receiving men into her defecatory orifice.

[Nobar King]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Who's God's Grace????

God's Grace is the name of one of Pastor Ezekiel's jets, plus also the name of a Church choir in Cedar Rapids.

[crazychick]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Personally, I think she's an unsaved harlot with no chance of redemption. Twenty bucks says she's the type of girl that sends out videos of her receiving men into her defecatory orifice.

Such a bet would hardly make you a rich man, Rev, but it could at least buy you a Mc'D's happy meal!!

And you're very wrong about no chance of redemption. Although I have gone astray, I know that my God, the True God, will forgive me right now, if I fall on my knees and repent my sins. I know that He will welcome me back with open arms and forgive me my sins, because I do believe in Him, and we all know He died for the sins of those who believe, right?!!!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

The problem is, Suzie, is that the Bible says you will go to Hell for sinning after you've been saved. You may pay lip service to saying you are a servant of God, but your actions speak otherwise. Let's look at some particular parts of the Bible which are applicable towards you.

1st Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1st Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You defile the temple of God which is you by partaking in whoredoms. And God says He will destroy you...

1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Those that abide in Christ do not sin. You, however, have sinned repeatedly, so you've fallen away from Christ.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

This tells us that people who have given themselves to Christ can fall away and it is impossible to come back. Being Saved® is a one-time deal. Now, if you're unsaved you can sin and sin, but once you repent and accept Christ you are making a lifelong contract not to sin. By engaging in whoredoms after you've accepted Christ, you've nullified your contract. You are no longer a Christian.

And what happens to Christians who do not abide in Jesus Christ?

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

There's your answer Suzie. You're a harlot and you will burn in hell. Jesus is not some kind of "spiritual cleaner" you wash upon yourself whenever you sin. You made a contract, you broke it, now you will pay the consequences.

[crazychick]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

The problem is, Suzie, is that the Bible says you will go to Hell for sinning after you've been saved. You may pay lip service to saying you are a servant of God, but your actions speak otherwise. Let's look at some particular parts of the Bible which are applicable towards you.

1st Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1st Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You defile the temple of God which is you by partaking in whoredoms. And God says He will destroy you...

1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Those that abide in Christ do not sin. You, however, have sinned repeatedly, so you've fallen away from Christ.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

This tells us that people who have given themselves to Christ can fall away and it is impossible to come back. Being Saved® is a one-time deal. Now, if you're unsaved you can sin and sin, but once you repent and accept Christ you are making a lifelong contract not to sin. By engaging in whoredoms after you've accepted Christ, you've nullified your contract. You are no longer a Christian.

And what happens to Christians who do not abide in Jesus Christ?

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

There's your answer Suzie. You're a harlot and you will burn in hell. Jesus is not some kind of "spiritual cleaner" you wash upon yourself whenever you sin. You made a contract, you broke it, now you will pay the consequences.

Then I guess I will have to become catholic then? I hear they are big on forgiveness of sins!!

Rev, you are so very wrong about everything. I know that where I am now in my life is not where God wants me to be and what He wants for my life. But I assure you, without a shadow of a doubt, there is forgiveness, even for a harlot such as myself. His love is so much bigger than what you try and make people believe.

My sins are not beyond God's Grace and forgiveness. Jesus (who was a Jew, by the way) died on the cross for my sins, whether you want to believe it or not! It's called Faith Rev, and I LIVE BY FAITH.

No verse in the KJV will convince me that I am beyond saving, beyond forgiveness. So do stop wasting your time! Just because I am a harlot does not mean I am weak in all my beliefs! One weakness does not win/loose a war!

-- YouKnowWho

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/california.gang.rape.investigation/index.html

Police: As many as 20 present at gang rape outside school dance

CNN are well-known for their needlessly misleading and attention grabbing headlines and missing the point: this is no exception.

Richmond, California (CNN) -- Investigators say as many as 20 people were involved in or stood and watched the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a California high school homecoming dance Saturday night.

Police posted a $20,000 reward Tuesday for anyone who comes to them with information that helps arrest and convict those involved in what authorities describe as a 2½-hour assault on the Richmond High School campus in suburban San Francisco.

Two teenage suspects have been jailed, but more arrests, as many as 20 total, are expected, according to a police detective.

"We will be making arrests continually as we develop probable cause," said Richmond Police Lt. Mark Gagan. "With this number of people implicated in the incident we're going to be making arrests on an ongoing basis."

As many as 10 people were involved in the assault in a dimly lighted back alley at the school, while another 10 people watched without calling 911 to report it, police said.

A 1999 California law makes it illegal not to report a witnessed crime against a child, but the law applies only to children 14 and under.

"We do not have the ability to arrest people who witnessed the crime and did nothing," Gagan said. "The law can be very rigid. We don't have the authority to make an arrest."

Charles Ramsey, a member of the Richmond school board, said the school district bears some responsibility for the attack. School administrators and police apparently weren't watching the area as they should have, Ramsey said.

The school said it would hold a safety meeting for parents and students Wednesday evening to address the assault.

The victim was found unconscious under a bench shortly before midnight Saturday, after police received a call from someone in the area who had overheard people at the assault scene "reminiscing about the incident," Richmond Police Lt. Mark Gagan said.

The girl was flown by helicopter to a hospital where she was admitted in critical condition. She was in stable condition Tuesday, police said.

Investigators canvassed the community with fliers, which included the reward offer, hoping to identify more suspects Tuesday.

"There is one individual in custody who has made some spontaneous statements that have led me to believe that he is culpable for what happened," Richmond police Lt. Johan Simon said.

Nineteen-year-old Manuel Ortega, described as a former student at the school, was arrested soon after he fled the scene and will face charges of rape, robbery and kidnapping, police said.

A 15-year-old was later arrested and charged with one count of felony sexual assault. A third teenager was being interviewed, Gagan said.

"Based on witness statements and suspect statements, and also physical evidence, we know that she was raped by at least four suspects committing multiple sex acts," Gagan said.

"As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated," Gagan said.

We have a Biblical conundrum here and I will pray for enlightenment from God. As you know God says,

De:22:28: If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
De:22:29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Granted these are all beaners and, in their own country, this is probably all part of life’s rich tapestry of iniquities but that is not the point.

Obviously, the woman cannot marry 20 men and the father would be wrong to accept 1,000 shekels of silver; so what is the solution?

[Chasteforthelord]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Geez. What is wrong with you "Brother"? Why should the victim of a rape marry her attacker?! Do you actually believe what you say? He should go to prison where he will get raped on a daily basis. She should get an abortion or put the child up for adoption. Buying her for 50 shekels? What is wrong with you? This isnt medieval times and WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS. She is the VICTIM of an ATTACKER. Im sure Ill just get banned for writing this but thats fine.I dont even know what to say, you people are crazy! You honestly think Jesus would prosecute this women for being raped? No, Satan would prosecute this woman. Jesus WOULD NOT force her to marry someone she didnt love. You cannot buy and sell a human being and to actually believe what your doing is right is just insane. You need help. You need a psychiatrist. I feel for that poor woman and she will be in my prayers.

[Lola Handcock]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

We Christian ladies have many rights,we have the right to cook,clean and do as our husbands tell us.We have the right to a whoopin if we don't do our jobs.We have the right to bare Christian soldiers for our husbands. WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO GET AN ABORTION,no way no how EVER !


Why have you not gone to the Introduction section,are you a Christian,what is your favorite Bible Verse ? What church do you belong to ?

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Geez. What is wrong with you "Brother"? Why should the victim of a rape marry her attacker?! Do you actually believe what you say? He should go to prison where he will get raped on a daily basis.

Truly sister, this thread should serve as a notice to not follow right wing fundamentalist Christianity if you are not cut out for it.

I think it's fine that they do it, but it's not my thing, if you know what I mean. I don't judge them because we'll all be in Heaven together in the end.

I did want to reluctantly point out that your statement was not a very nice thing say. It's not what Jesus would want. You wanted them to call you their brother in another one of your friendly posts wishing rape and cancer on your fellow man.

Mat 18:21-22
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Lord forgive my short attention span.

I wish you peace in our Lord,
Sam

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Geez. What is wrong with you "Brother"? Why should the victim of a rape marry her attacker?! Do you actually believe what you say? He should go to prison where he will get raped on a daily basis. She should get an abortion or put the child up for adoption. Buying her for 50 shekels? What is wrong with you? This isnt medieval times and WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS. She is the VICTIM of an ATTACKER. Im sure Ill just get banned for writing this but thats fine.I dont even know what to say, you people are crazy! You honestly think Jesus would prosecute this women for being raped? No, Satan would prosecute this woman. Jesus WOULD NOT force her to marry someone she didnt love. You cannot buy and sell a human being and to actually believe what your doing is right is just insane. You need help. You need a psychiatrist. I feel for that poor woman and she will be in my prayers.

Friend, you have no idea what Jesus would do. Jesus left His crystal clear instructions in the Bible, and obviously you have never even glanced in the general direction of one, or else you would realize everything we say comes straight out of God's word.

[AngelRose]

hi haters

why do you all call yourselves christians when you spew hateful verbal garbage about people you never met? i know a lot of goths are they are very nice people. your kind are the reason the rest of the world hates christians. instead of fearing people which has turned to hate maybe you should educate yourselves in such matters. not every goths is a "Satan worshiping slut".

do you seriously think god approves of your stupid actions and judging people like you do? you are not ones to judge since we ALL are born of original sin. it says in the bible that only god will and can judge so why dont you all just shut up?

get a life all of you and stop the hate. ffs you people have started wars in your own god's name.

one more thing, i hope everyone of you haters has a daughter who gets raped so the world can say the same thing about you. congrats for proving what the world has known for a LONG time you ALL are savage idiots.

[AngelRose]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Abou $190. So, that means that goth scum won't be able to get them. They'll have spent all their money on crack and sacrificial cats.

God's provision and thought for our well-being amazes me sometimes.

are you serious grandma? you aren't worth one penny. jesus christ you are ugly and are going on about someone else looking funny? it's called a mirror you should invest in one and take a long hare look at yourself. you are not at all a beauty queen granny. -.-

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

why do you all call yourselves christians when you spew hateful verbal garbage about people you never met?

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it says in the bible that only god will and can judge so why dont you all just shut up?

get a life all of you and stop the hate.

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are you serious grandma? you aren't worth one penny. jesus christ you are ugly and are going on about someone else looking funny? it's called a mirror you should invest in one and take a long hare look at yourself. you are not at all a beauty queen granny. -.-

Better take that beam out of your eye, you unsaved piece of satanic filth.