[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

the killing of an animal for personal benefit? sounds rather sadistic

Every time you breathe you kill millions of innocent bacteria. Please stop breathing to save them. And I always shoot animals through their head, there is nothing sadistic about that. They don't see it coming and they don't suffer.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

i breathe in order to survive

So like me, you admit to killing animals to survive.

[crowley]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

So like me, you admit to killing animals to survive.

firstly bacteria is not an animal you idiot
its a BACTERIA

and do they not have anything in your forgotten town?
then animals and guns?

do you just eat meat ?
by itself ?

[crowley]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

firstly bacteria is not an animal you idiot
its a BACTERIA

and do they not have anything in your forgotten town?
then animals and guns?

do you just eat meat ?
by itself ?

also i dont belive jesus told noah to get micro-organisms apon his special boat that magically held two of every ANIMAL without sinking or the animals destroying one another like fact shows

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

firstly bacteria is not an animal you idiot
its a BACTERIA

So you can kill millions of innocent bacteria, but I can not kill one annoying chicken?

and do they not have anything in your forgotten town? then animals and guns?

Oh we have shops where you can buy food as well. But I prefer to kill my own food like God intended me to.

do you just eat meat ? by itself ?

No I also eat the great pies my wife bakes for example.

[crowley]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

So you can kill millions of innocent bacteria, but I can not kill one annoying chicken?

Oh we have shops where you can buy food as well. But I prefer to kill my own food like God intended me to.

No I also eat the great pies my wife bakes for example.

your attempt to be cocky and intelligent are failing you whore.

you say you kill to survive
when you can survive on your scarlet slut of a wifes pies
and the shops you can by non meats and survive apon that

and why not kill one annoying chicken?

because murder is a sin

you whore, are a sinner
and sinners burn for all eternity

[mutant]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Why did you drive them apart? Did you not love your parents?

Drive them apart? How can you assume I did that? They split before they knew I had been conceived. I WAS A FOETUS. ALL I COULD DO THEN WAS FLOAT ABOUT IN AMNIOTIC FLUID. I love my parents dearly, they are happier with the people they are with now, Christ you can't blame a split on a foetus no one piffleing knows about. IM OFF TO BED NOW. TO SLEEP NOT FORNICATE. fuck it, im gunna bang satan.

[crowley]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

your attempt to be cocky and intelligent are failing you whore.

you say you kill to survive
when you can survive on your scarlet slut of a wifes pies
and the shops you can by non meats and survive apon that

and why not kill one annoying chicken?

because murder is a sin

you whore, are a sinner
and sinners burn for all eternity

im off to get some sleep
i hope to speak to you beautiful people another time x

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

your attempt to be cocky and intelligent are failing you whore

That is unfortunate. I was so hoping you would be impressed by my intelligence.

you say you kill to survive

Indeed I do. It has something to do with food and eating and such.

when you can survive on your scarlet slut of a wifes pies

Hey, I didn't know you knew my wife? Nice to know that. Her beef pot pie with onion and carrots is delicious as is her two crust chicken pie. So thank you for the tip, I know what i will be eating now.

and sinners burn for all eternity

You might want to spend a tad more time on reading the Bible. You seem to have missed a page or two.

[James Dewitt]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I sure as heck do not understand vegetarian's. The Good Lord put humans on the top for the food chain for a reason. He created cows for us to eat, and might I add they are tasty when grilled outside over charcoal. The non meat eaters of the world need to understand, we carnivorous are doing them a service. Look at how low we keep the carbon dioxide levels by eating meat.
Ya know I think they owe us a big thank you!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

How can you assume I did that?

Well for the same reason everyone who has known you for more than 5 seconds will assume that. You are not a nice person.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

This thread is for discussing why a woman has to marry her rapist because God commands her to, not to discuss vegetarianism or other off-topic banter. Any unsaved trash that continue to do so will get reprimanded.

[fr0sty]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Martin cites Deut 22:28-29 as dealing with a situation where “a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her.” He immediately states, without argument, that this refers to acts of rape. Although he does not say, it appears this conclusion is based on the verb “seizes” in the English version he cites. Martin imports into this word the connotation of violent, coercive, abduction so that the sexual intercourse that follows is a rape. There are several problems with this claim. First, and most obvious, the English word “seizes” is not in The Torah. The word in The Torah is tabas; in Hebrew, tabas “does not in itself indicate anything about the use of force.”[3] While the word can refer to the capture of a city,[4] it is also used for “handling” the harp and flute,[5] the sword,[6] a sickle,[7] a shield,[8] oars or a bow,[9] “taking” God’s name[10] or dealing with the law of God.[11] The word simply means to “lay hold of,” “to take hold of something” or to “grasp it in hand.” The more formal King James translation interprets the passage as, “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her and lie with her.”
Second, there are good reasons in this context for interpreting the word in a manner where it does not have a connotation of force or violence. Here I will mention three.
The first reason is that the context strongly suggests it. Had the author intended to refer to rape then he would have used the word chazak which does carry the connotations Martin plays on. This is reinforced by the fact that three verses earlier the author does refer to a rape. The law immediately preceding this one begins, “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her …” here the word used is chazak, which suggests a violent seizure is used. Bahsen notes, “Just three verses later (Deut. 25:28), the verb is changed to simply ‘take hold of’ her – indicating an action less intense and violent than the action dealt with in verse 25:25 (viz., rape).”[12]
The second reason is that Deut 22:28-29 actually repeats a law which has already been laid down in the book of Exodus. When one examines this law it is clear it does not refer to rape. The word “Deuteronomy” in Greek means “second law;” throughout the book of Deuteronomy, Moses repeats laws already laid down in the book of Exodus, sometimes expanding on them. The Decalogue, for example, which was delivered on Sinai in Exodus 20, is repeated again in Deuteronomy 5. The laws about releasing an ebed (or indentured servant) in Exodus 21:1 are repeated and expanded on in Deuteronomy 15:12-18. The same occurs with the law under discussion. Gordon Wenham points out that that Deut 22:28-29 is a repetition of a law spelled out in Exodus 22:15, which states “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.”[13] Here, the penalty for sleeping with an unbethrothed virgin is that the man must marry the woman which is why the man must pay the mohar or “bride-price” to the bride’s father. A mohar was security money (50 shekels) that the groom paid to the bride’s father. It was held in trust for the woman in case the man later abandoned her or divorced her without just cause.[14] Such money protected women from the poverty that could occur if they were abandoned with children. What is important, however, is that we are left in no doubt that in Exodus 22:15 the case deals, not with rape, but with what was traditionally called seduction.
The third reason is that, to interpret the law in Deut 21:28-29 as a rape is to make God the commander of a morally heinous command. Martin is correct, given what we know about the psychological harm that rape inflicts upon its victims to command that a woman marry her rapist is cruel and hence clashes with strong moral intuitions. Elsewhere I have defended the claim that if one interpretation of divine commands coheres better with our moral intuitions than another then that fact constitutes evidence for the former interpretation. All else being equal, an interpretation that coheres with our pre-theoretical moral intuitions is always preferable. This hermeneutical principle applies here.
The passage then does not refer to a rape. The Hebrew word does not, by itself, indicate rape and interpreting it this way both ignores the context where the word chazak is used to designate a rape. It also makes the second law inconsistent with the exposition of the same law in Exodus 22:15 and also with our prior moral discernment about what is right and wrong. Seduction, however, is consistent with the meaning of tabas, the context it is used in, the original law it was derived from and it coheres with our moral intuitions. These factors, to me, provide decisive reasons for rejecting Martin’s interpretation.

Just in case any of you who see this actually think it's real...

[Mrs. Rogers]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Just in case any of you who see this actually think it's real...

I'm terribly sorry, dear -- unless it's the Bible, or something a Landover Baptist man has written, it is, as the kiddiewinks say, tl;dr.

[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

My friends know I think the bible belittles women and that I don't beleive in the christian God.

Why not show them the vulgarities you spout here then? The Bible is 100% clear about the position of women. There are no two ways about it.

And stop telling me Im going to burn in hell, I already know that.

And yet you continue your sinful lifestyle? If you know what's coming to you and you don't take steps to avoid it, then the textbook definition of "stupid" applies to you. Your parents will obviously go to Hell, but maybe YOU don't have to.