[True Disciple]

Re: Castrating my son?

True disciple if you wanted to follow the Bible directly you would notice the "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake" part.

Friend, if you wanted to follow the Bible directly, you would have noticed the "which were made eunuchs of men" part.

This does not mean it is advisable to force such a thing on someone.

So, yes, it is.

You are calling me a coward and goading me to do an act of evil.

Is answering my questions and pointing out to me where I do not follow the Bible or do not answer your questions an act of evil? Friend, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But yes, refusing to back up your accusations with Scripture (while you claim you can) is an act of cowardice.

If you have read the Bible as much as you claim I am sure I needn't quote everything.

That's a pathetic cop-out. I have read the Bible enough to know that what you're saying is not supported by it.

You might just as well say: "If you had read the Bible as much as you claim, you would have known that it teaches that there live purple elephants in the clouds, I don't have to quote anything." That would be about as ridiculous, because it simply isn't in the Bible.

Why should I find Scriptural quotes to support your ideas if those quotes aren't anywhere to be found?

I never said that the Bible is wrong.

Then why do you claim following the Bible is serving Satan?

I merely said you do not believe in God.

Exodus 20:16:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

As for when I say you ignoring me, that has to do with the fact I am a radical Christian here to make fun of those people you are, and possibly just Christians in general.

Why do you want to make fun of us? Aren't you aware that Salvation is a very important issue, and definitely no laughing matter?

Anyway, you haven't said anything so far that made me even smile, so if you desire to be funny, another approach would be advisable.

You seem to be under the illusion that I do not know about it.

Where did I ever said that you didn'tknow yourself why you were here?

Which is why you are replying as if I was believing your act.

Well, I hoped you were believing what I said,as I believe you are currently hellbound. And previously, you said you did believe in the Bible. Why have you changed your mind?

You are purposely trying to promote the more unaccepted ideas here and disregarding everything accepted.

I won't deny that. Many things we at Landover believe are rejected by mainstream Christianity. Are we therefore wrong? Of course not. We follow the Bible, not mainstream Christianity.

After all, God wrote the entire Bible. He wrote the "love-your-enemies" part, as well as the "stone-unbelievers" part. The "I-am-the-way-the-truth-and-the-light" part as the "and-the-smoke-of-their-torment-went-up-for-ever-and-ever" part.
Mainstream Christians only follow the things they like, and discard the things they don't like, out of no better reason that personal preference. We aren't like that. We believe that God wrote the entire Bible, and that He wouldn't write "kill witches" if He didn't really mean it.

Nevertheless, I am disregarding only accepted things if they contradict Scripture, of course.

Even thought all the things you say are in the Bible. I just tend to ignore them like the rest of Christianity.

Friend, on what basis, then, do you decide which Verses to follow and which Verses to ignore? Who are you to decide for God what He did and didn't say?

[handmaiden]

Re: Castrating my son?

Friend, if you wanted to follow the Bible directly, you would have noticed the "which were made eunuchs of men" part.



So, yes, it is.



Is answering my questions and pointing out to me where I do not follow the Bible or do not answer your questions an act of evil? Friend, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But yes, refusing to back up your accusations with Scripture (while you claim you can) is an act of cowardice.



That's a pathetic cop-out. I have read the Bible enough to know that what you're saying is not supported by it.

You might just as well say: "If you had read the Bible as much as you claim, you would have known that it teaches that there live purple elephants in the clouds, I don't have to quote anything." That would be about as ridiculous, because it simply isn't in the Bible.

Why should I find Scriptural quotes to support your ideas if those quotes aren't anywhere to be found?



Then why do you claim following the Bible is serving Satan?



Exodus 20:16:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.



Why do you want to make fun of us? Aren't you aware that Salvation is a very important issue, and definitely no laughing matter?

Anyway, you haven't said anything so far that made me even smile, so if you desire to be funny, another approach would be advisable.



Where did I ever said that you didn'tknow yourself why you were here?



Well, I hoped you were believing what I said,as I believe you are currently hellbound. And previously, you said you did believe in the Bible. Why have you changed your mind?



I won't deny that. Many things we at Landover believe are rejected by mainstream Christianity. Are we therefore wrong? Of course not. We follow the Bible, not mainstream Christianity.

After all, God wrote the entire Bible. He wrote the "love-your-enemies" part, as well as the "stone-unbelievers" part. The "I-am-the-way-the-truth-and-the-light" part as the "and-the-smoke-of-their-torment-went-up-for-ever-and-ever" part.
Mainstream Christians only follow the things they like, and discard the things they don't like, out of no better reason that personal preference. We aren't like that. We believe that God wrote the entire Bible, and that He wouldn't write "kill witches" if He didn't really mean it.

Nevertheless, I am disregarding only accepted things if they contradict Scripture, of course.



Friend, on what basis, then, do you decide which Verses to follow and which Verses to ignore? Who are you to decide for God what He did and didn't say?

Amen, Brother! Some days it seems that every single person claiming to be a follower of God does just that.

When will they show a shred of integrity and admit that they are following their own self-serving agendas?

How do they live out their lives, mocking the very God that they claim to worship by snipping up the Bible into paper garlands which they then drape around the false image of God crafted to meet their personal preference?

Where do they even get such ideas about God anyway?

Ponderingly Yours,

Handmaiden

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

Friend, what is so radical about trying to follow the entire Bible? That would seem to be the most orthodox and beautiful thing that anyone who claims to be a Christian could strive for.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Do you not listen?

I never said that the Bible is wrong.

If it is forced upon someone for the kingdom of heaven's sake then I can't see the wrong in that. It's still better for him to live his life as an eunuch for Jesus than to burn in hell for all eternity.

The verse says specifically that people who "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake" not "people who have been made eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake". You claim to follow the Bible to the word but when it comes to the Bible being right you claim it is not. Is it truly so wrong for me to follow the Bible?

"Accepted" by whom? You? Other cherry-picking, salad bar false christians who only accept what they can stomach and disregard the rest? You sicken me, sinner. And now you stoop to questioning True Disciple's True Christianhood™ when you have clearly been bested. You think that calling the good brother names changes anything?

Matthew 7:12 "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets."
You have broken this rule, you have insulted people deliberately.
Matthew 5:39 "But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also."
I am assuming you believe a lot of people here are evil, yet you debate, goad and mock them. You have broken this rule.
Matthew 5:40 "If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too."
You only need to check my first post and the reply to that. You have broken this rule.
Matthew 5:43 "You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy."
Matthew 5:44 "But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!"
You are talking of hate all the time, hating him and hating those. You have broken this rule.
Romans 14:1-4 "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."
Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"
You are judging people all the time. That is the point of this website. It is to judge people. To judge those who believe in your statues and those who do not. You are not God and you can not judge. You have even decided who goes to hell and who does not. You have broken these rules, the Bible tells you specifically not to quarrel over opinions of a person weak in faith.
John 8:7 "And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."
You are debating that you have done nothing wrong, you are debating that you have done no sin. You have broken this rule.
Ten commandments:
"Do not lie"
I'm sure I need not point this out. You know what I am talking about

You are saying you do not accept the accepted parts of the Bible.


Mat 7:8 "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
This means that those who wish to be Christian and wants to seek out Christianity will find it. In other words, forcing a religion to someone who does not wish to seek faith is wrong.

God gave us the option to choose:
- Deut 30:15-18; Josh 24:15; Jn 15:6-7; 3:16
- Man can "resist the Holy Spirit": Acts 6:10; 7:51-55
- 2. Without free will, many of Bible statements make no sense:
"Why do you call me Lord & don't do what I say" Lk 6:46 Why? God
willed it that way!
"Whosoever believes shall be saved" Jn 3:16 (Rather whosoever God
makes a believer)
"Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Re 22:17
"And whosoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city,
shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them."
Lk 9:5 (Testimony against God you mean)
"Come to me you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest" Mt 11:28

Notice that the verse doesn't condemn eunuchs born that way, nor does it condemn people who were castrated for reasons other than the kingdom of Heaven's sake. Wouldn't the Bible specifically condemn those eunuchs if God were trying to stress the fact that only those who made themselves eunuchs were worthy?

The Bible does not say it is a good thing to do, either. In fact, it says it is a bad thing, as I proved with the quotes above. But you wish to insist on the Bible being a bad thing. It is not. You claim to follow the Bible to the word yet you make your own assumptions. Who are you to say what God thinks?

Additionally, there are other verses in the Bible that speak favorably of eunuchs.

"Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off." Isaiah 56:3-5

The Bible does not say it is good to force a castration upon someone, like I already made very clear. The Bible verse you speak of clears out that eunuchs and foreigners also go to heaven. Read the whole Isaiah 56.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/isaiah/56.htm

Also read my earlier quotes. Do not ignore them.

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."[/B] 1 Corinthians 7:1

And it continues:
"But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband" http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_corinthians/7.htm

Wouldn't being a eunuch therefore be a good thing, and also help avoid fornication without a man being saddled with a wife, implied in 1 Corinthians 7:2 to be a necessary evil to avoid fornication?

We are talking about the Bible. You said you obey it to the letter, you should not think of what would or wouldn't be or try to figure out ways to disregard what is said in the Bible. The Bible says SPECIFICALLY "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband". And SPECIFICALLY says it is not good to be an eunuch. It is to avoid immorality. Do not think your wisdom can overcome the Bible. If the Bible says you should have a wife then you should have. If the Bible says it reduces immorality then it does. I can't be the only one here who actually follows what the Bible says.

Finally, the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7 and 14 are specifically mentioned as being men who were not defiled with women. Surely you can agree that it would be easier for a man to achieve that Godly state by being a eunuch.

This has very little to do with anything. They were not Godly. Also the Bible does not encourage people to be like the 144,000. And it definitely does not encourage castration, as proved above.

Friend, think about this for a moment. Forget about whatever you think about us, and look at the scripture we've shown you. It's what the Bible says. You can look these verses up yourself if, for whatever reason, you don't believe me.

Now please, just answer me this question.

How do you reconcile your belief in God, and your belief that you're doing His work, when you disagree with the message in these verses?

I never implied or said that I disagree with any of the messages in the Bible.

Buddy boy, it is you who lacks proper understanding and Christian discernment. Jesus says that people with their wangs cut off are a blessing.

Read what I said.

Who are you to strive against your maker?

I don't.

I want someone to tell me if I am messing up and tell me what I am doing wrong, so Hosanna to the highest!

This:

Jesus never called people names, like generation of vipers, dogs, swine, reprobate, sinners, faithless?

If it is good enough for our Lord, it's good enough for us.

You are not Jesus, the Bible does not tell you to call people vipers, dogs, swines, reprobates sinners or faithless. You should follow the Bible. Do you disregard every verse like this?

And you do? You sound like a bit of a hypocrite here. You are telling us we are wrong and calling us God mockers, yet you seem very glad to defend your own position while persecuting us. Are you cold, friend? Shall we walk a twain together?

So you admit that you do not follow the Bible. I am not defending my position at all. Judging something imaginary is not the same as judging a person. You are here to mock the radical Christians and you are trying to pretend to be one. I am judging merely what you pretend to be, something imaginary.

I have no idea what a ruling on eating meat or not has to do with us.

"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters"
It tells you not to judge those who are weak in faith.

While you sit high on your judgment seat over us. Do you get a nose bleed up there or did you continue to read Luke 6 to know that is a prohibition against hypocritical judgment?

I only judge what you pretend to be. Are you disregarding what the Bible says? Even if I did judge you it would not make you allowed to judge others. You did not actually say anything to your defense concerning that Bible verse.

40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

Oh, master. Come teach us more.

Thank you, that very much summarizes it.

While you judge us.

I do not judge you, I judge what you pretend to be. This does not make you allowed to judge others and break the rules of the Bible.

We are not papists. We do not worship statues.

I never said you did.

Yet you continue to judge us, but I suppose it is different with you. You are specially led by God Himself, right?

That is not the reason and it does not make you allowed to judge others.

What if God is telling me one thing and He is telling you something else? Which one of us is right? We both hear the voice of God whispering in our ear. We both truly believe we are right. Which one of us is correct? You? Because you say you are?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

So, by your opinion if that is correct, we would go to hell? How judgmental of you! You really are a hypocrite. How is that working out for you?

I never said that. I do not judge who goes to hell and who does not. God judges that. You people, on the other hand, have countless of times told people they will go to hell. You are only replying that I do break these rules as well, not that you don't break them.

You have answered hypocritically and without understanding.

Why?

You have committed no sin by discussing the Bible. Chapter and verse? I'm pretty sure Jesus wants us to

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I gave into the temptation. Such things are not to be quarreled over. If I committed a sin here, it would be that.

So, you have made numerous statements claiming to speak for God. You have indicated your belief in the existance of the devil and hell. You are VERY sure that we are the ones headed there and not you, mainly, it seems, because we are reluctant to take your word that you are speaking for God over that of the Bible, which itself makes a case that it speaks for God.

Hmmm . . . somebody is confused here. But that's what happens when people pick apart the Bible and ignore the parts that THEY choose to ignore.

For real clarity of mind, you need to read the whole Bible and take its entire contents at face value.

Realisticaly Yours,

Handmaiden

I never ignored anything and I never claimed you were headed to hell. Like I previously said, I am not the one to judge who goes to hell and who does not.

Friend, if you wanted to follow the Bible directly, you would have noticed the "which were made eunuchs of men" part.

Read above. Besides, the kingdom of heaven part refers to those who chose.

So, yes, it is.

Read above. "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband" Do you ignore this?

Is answering my questions and pointing out to me where I do not follow the Bible or do not answer your questions an act of evil? Friend, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But yes, refusing to back up your accusations with Scripture (while you claim you can) is an act of cowardice.

Read above.
"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters"

That's a pathetic cop-out. I have read the Bible enough to know that what you're saying is not supported by it.

You might just as well say: "If you had read the Bible as much as you claim, you would have known that it teaches that there live purple elephants in the clouds, I don't have to quote anything." That would be about as ridiculous, because it simply isn't in the Bible.

Why should I find Scriptural quotes to support your ideas if those quotes aren't anywhere to be found?

Read above

Then why do you claim following the Bible is serving Satan?

I never said that.

Exodus 20:16:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

This forum is meant to mock radical Christians. Maybe I did commit a sin. Now that I think about it I couldn't know for sure.

Why do you want to make fun of us? Aren't you aware that Salvation is a very important issue, and definitely no laughing matter?

Do not edit my posts please. Exodus 20:16:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Where did I ever said that you didn'tknow yourself why you were here?

Do not edit my posts please. Exodus 20:16:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Well, I hoped you were believing what I said,as I believe you are currently hellbound. And previously, you said you did believe in the Bible. Why have you changed your mind?

Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"

I won't deny that. Many things we at Landover believe are rejected by mainstream Christianity. Are we therefore wrong? Of course not. We follow the Bible, not mainstream Christianity.

After all, God wrote the entire Bible. He wrote the "love-your-enemies" part, as well as the "stone-unbelievers" part. The "I-am-the-way-the-truth-and-the-light" part as the "and-the-smoke-of-their-torment-went-up-for-ever-and-ever" part.
Mainstream Christians only follow the things they like, and discard the things they don't like, out of no better reason that personal preference. We aren't like that. We believe that God wrote the entire Bible, and that He wouldn't write "kill witches" if He didn't really mean it.

Nevertheless, I am disregarding only accepted things if they contradict Scripture, of course.

Why then do you ignore me?

Friend, on what basis, then, do you decide which Verses to follow and which Verses to ignore? Who are you to decide for God what He did and didn't say?

Do not edit my posts please. Exodus 20:16:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Castrating my son?

Do you not listen?

Until you apologize for that disrespectful reply, I will not even bother to read the rest of your post. I treated you with respect; I expect the same.

Z. Smyth

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

You're right, I was out of of line to say that. I am sorry.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Castrating my son?

You're right, I was out of of line to say that. I am sorry.

Accepted. Thank you.

I will now go and read the rest of your reply.

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: Castrating my son?

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tl;dr

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

Do you not listen?

The verse says specifically that people who "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake" not "people who have been made eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake". You claim to follow the Bible to the word but when it comes to the Bible being right you claim it is not. Is it truly so wrong for me to follow the Bible?

Why can you not read?

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men:(meaning made by men) and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Mat 7:8 "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
This means that those who wish to be Christian and wants to seek out Christianity will find it. In other words, forcing a religion to someone who does not wish to seek faith is wrong.

God gave us the option to choose:

No He didn't. God saves those who are predestined.

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Romans 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

2nd Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

John 6:64-65But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

The Bible does not say it is good to force a castration upon someone, like I already made very clear. The Bible verse you speak of clears out that eunuchs and foreigners also go to heaven. Read the whole Isaiah 56.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/isaiah/56.htm

Also read my earlier quotes. Do not ignore them.

Don't ignore my showing you that Jesus says that some enuchs were made by man and it is a good thing.

And it continues:
"But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband" http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_corinthians/7.htm The Bible says SPECIFICALLY "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband". It is to avoid immorality. Do not think your wisdom can overcome the Bible. If the Bible says you should have a wife then you should have. If the Bible says it reduces immorality then it does. I can't be the only one here who actually follows what the Bible says.

You keep posting 1 Corinthians 7 over and over as if Paul commands all believers to be married.

1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

He goes on to say that this is not a commandment.

6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Paul later writes that he wishes people would abstain from sex.

8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide (abstain) even as I.

But if they can't..

9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

What better way to assure they abstain?

And SPECIFICALLY says it is not good to be an eunuch.

Are you claiming the Bible is contradictory? I have already shown you where Jesus says that being an eunuch is a good thing. Why do you fight against Jesus' teachings?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

You are not Jesus, the Bible does not tell you to call people vipers, dogs, swines, reprobates sinners or faithless. You should follow the Bible. Do you disregard every verse like this?

What is being disregarded? Paul calls people evil slow bellies, whited walls, whore mongers.

James calls people adulterers and adulteresses.

Paul commands us

2 Timothy 4:1-2 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Let's take a closer look at that, shall we?

Reprove- the Greek word ἐλέγχω elegcho

elegcho means
1) to convict, refute, confute
a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
2) to find fault with, correct
a) by word
1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
b) by deed
1) to chasten, to punish

Paul charges us to get into people's faces and tell them how they are wrong.

So you admit that you do not follow the Bible. I am not defending my position at all. Judging something imaginary is not the same as judging a person. You are here to mock the radical Christians and you are trying to pretend to be one. I am judging merely what you pretend to be, something imaginary.

Right, it's okay when you do it. Gotcha.

"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters"
It tells you not to judge those who are weak in faith.

I only judge what you pretend to be. Are you disregarding what the Bible says? Even if I did judge you it would not make you allowed to judge others. You did not actually say anything to your defense concerning that Bible verse.

Hmmmmm

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I do not judge you, I judge what you pretend to be. This does not make you allowed to judge others and break the rules of the Bible.

Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing you are a hypocrite.

I never said that. I do not judge who goes to hell and who does not. God judges that. You people, on the other hand, have countless of times told people they will go to hell.

Where would an unrepentant murderer go? Heaven or hell? We aren't the ones sending them to hell. We can merely read what the Bible says and know it based on that.

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

Why can you not read?

"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."
I can read. The kingdom of heaven part refers to the people who made themselves eunuchs, not to the ones who were made eunuchs by men. I verified this from an English teacher.

No He didn't. God saves those who are predestined.

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Romans 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

2nd Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

John 6:64-65But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

You disregarded my quotes. Besides, none of those quotes have anything to do with free will except for 2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 and even that only speaks of only salvation being predetermined.
Knowing something does not mean a person did not choose it.

Don't ignore my showing you that Jesus says that some enuchs were made by man and it is a good thing.

Check above, please.

You keep posting 1 Corinthians 7 over and over as if Paul commands all believers to be married.

1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

He goes on to say that this is not a commandment.

6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Paul later writes that he wishes people would abstain from sex.

8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide (abstain) even as I.

But if they can't..

9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

What better way to assure they abstain?

You're right, I was wrong about this. This is actually what I was looking for! The Bible encourages marriage in this specific case! Thank you. This proves that making someone eunuchs because "if they cannot contain" is wrong, and what should really be done is let them marry. The Bible does not tell the specific time for this, either.

Are you claiming the Bible is contradictory? I have already shown you where Jesus says that being an eunuch is a good thing. Why do you fight against Jesus' teachings?

I am not fighting against the God's teachings nor am I claiming the Bible is contradictory. Why do you claim I do when I have only said and shown otherwise?

Paul commands us

2 Timothy 4:1-2 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Let's take a closer look at that, shall we?

Reprove- the Greek word ἐλέγχω elegcho

elegcho means
1) to convict, refute, confute
a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
2) to find fault with, correct
a) by word
1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
b) by deed
1) to chasten, to punish

Paul charges us to get into people's faces and tell them how they are wrong.

Paul does not charge you to get into people's faces. And as for that word reprove, the means you use to reprove are explained in the Bible, and you are definitely not doing as it is telling you to. Take a look at my previous posts for more info.

Right, it's okay when you do it. Gotcha.

Again, do not disregard what I or the Bible says. I am not judging anyone.

Hmmmmm

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

It tells you not to judge people who are weak in faith on disputable matters. That does not mean that all acts can not be judged or that nobody can be judged. Do not think the Bible is contradictory.

Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing you are a hypocrite.

I am not a hypocrite at all.

Where would an unrepentant murderer go? Heaven or hell? We aren't the ones sending them to hell. We can merely read what the Bible says and know it based on that.

Lk:6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
Let's take a closer look at that, shall we?
1
: to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
2
a : to pronounce guilty : convict
b : sentence, doom
(3
: to adjudge unfit for use or consumption
4
: to declare convertible to public use under the right of eminent domain)

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

Paul does not charge you to get into people's faces. And as for that word reprove, the means you use to reprove are explained in the Bible, and you are definitely not doing as it is telling you to. Take a look at my previous posts for more info.

Of course not. Words don't mean what they mean. When Paul says to reprove them (meaning chide admonish), it really means to go buy them an ice cream cone.

Your obfuscation of what words mean would make Bill Clinton proud.

You have the debate skills of jelly being nailed to the floor.

I am not judging anyone.

You have done nothing but judge constantly telling us how wrong we are when we have the scriptures on our side.

It tells you not to judge people who are weak in faith on disputable matters. That does not mean that all acts can not be judged or that nobody can be judged.

So when the Bible says,

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

it really means go out and buy a puppy for a sinner.

Lk:6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

For the millionth time, that is against hypocritical judgment. It means that I can't sit here and smoke a joint while telling you drugs are bad.

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

Of course not. Words don't mean what they mean. When Paul says to reprove them (meaning chide admonish), it really means to go buy them an ice cream cone.

Your obfuscation of what word mean would make Bill Clinton proud.

You have the debate skills of jelly being nailed to the floor.

You have done nothing but judge constantly telling us how wrong we are when we have the scriptures on our side.

So when the Bible says,

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

it really means go out and buy a puppy for a sinner.

For the millionth time, that is against hypocritical judgment. It means that I can't sit here and smoke a joint while telling you drugs are bad.

Ignoring my posts and twisting my words is not going to do you any good. Either you prove that the Bible is wrong or you do not. If you are told: Judge people but you are also told: Do not judge people with this or this attributes concerning this and this matter, then you judge people concerning all matters except those listed as exceptions. The Bible is not contradictory. Do not claim it is. You are ignoring the verses I've given you, and I've successfully explained why your belief was wrong. Is it not time to admit it already?

As for me judging you, I am not judging at all. I am merely judging what you pretend to be. Give me the verse where it says judging an imaginary thing is wrong.

It is not against hypocritical judgement. The Bible does not say it is against hypocritical judgement. If you draw your conclusions like that then I may as well say that everything in the Bible actually means something else than what is said.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Castrating my son?

If you draw your conclusions like that then I may as well say that everything in the Bible actually means something else than what is said.

So, have you sold all your possessions to give to the poor yet?

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

All? Give me the scripture, please.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Castrating my son?

All? Give me the scripture, please.

Gladly, my friend.

Mark 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

May I ask, do you also make sure that women keep their head covered when they are in church?

And when someone is sick in your church, do they call the church elders to their house to rub oil on their body?