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  • Viggo B. Kristoffersen
    True Christian™
    True Christian™
    • Aug 2010
    • 492

    #1

    Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

    Should we obey God if his command to us is to kill our own children? Of course we should.

    Genesis 22:1-18
    And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. 3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

    Just as Abraham had to make a choice we also have to make one if God feels like testing our faith, and just as Abraham choosed to obey God in Genesis we should of course accept God's wishes no matter what they might be. He always have a good reason, we can be sure of that.

    Nobody say that it's easy to follow every word of God, but that doesn't make it okay to ignore his commands. We must obey him unconditionally.
    It's really all about making the right priority here; on one side you love your children and would hate to see them in pain, but by refusing to sacrifice them, even if God told you to kill them, you hate God, and if you hate God you also hate everything God has created, including your own children.
    So in a situtation like the one Abraham was in, you really only have one way to show your love to your kids, and that is to slay them.

    Do you obey the Lord when you are told to do the seemingly impossible? Or do you give excuses why you can’t obey the Lord’s command?

    If not, you will burn in HELL for eternity!

    2 Thessalonians 1:5-9
    5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


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  • Titus Templeton
    Director of the German "Holy-caust" Evangelical Crusade
    Jesus macht frei
    True Christian™
    • Aug 2010
    • 5912

    #2
    Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

    Well my first Son has only 4 fingers. God told me to cut off his finger and i did it.
    -The Parable of the white laundry and the black man
    -Scientific proof that GAY SEX IS UNHYGIENIC!
    -Holocaust Jokes
    -Diarrhea: The Va​ginal Lubrication of the Homosexuals
    -Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?
    -10 Reasons why GOD HATES FRANCE!
    -5 Reasons why GOD HATES LEAGUE OF LEGENDS!
    -Today I am declaring War against Woman's Rights!

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    • Viggo B. Kristoffersen
      True Christian™
      True Christian™
      • Aug 2010
      • 492

      #3
      Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

      Originally posted by Titus Templeton View Post
      Well my first Son has only 4 fingers. God told me to cut off his finger and i did it.
      Bless you Brother. You're exactly the kind of person God loves. I wonder how many fingers your son would've had if you didn't cut one off. My guess is that he would have lost an arm or a leg. God would definitely have punished you in some way. Actually I'm pretty sure you saved the kids life by that heroic act.


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      Ephesians 5:23_(King James Version)"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

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      • Titus Templeton
        Director of the German "Holy-caust" Evangelical Crusade
        Jesus macht frei
        True Christian™
        • Aug 2010
        • 5912

        #4
        Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

        Originally posted by Viggo B. Kristoffersen View Post
        Bless you Brother. You're exactly the kind of person God loves. I wonder how many fingers your son would've had if you didn't cut one off. My guess is that he would have lost an arm or a leg. God would definitely have punished you in some way. Actually I'm pretty sure you saved the kids life by that heroic act.
        Amen Brother! Yes, what i have done was right und just is. But it was a terrible situation, my wife was screaming and has cried . And i was not prepared that soo much blood comes out of that litte finger. But he survived and i did what God wanted from me.
        At least i want to say that this Thread is very important, because many people hear God but they deny Him and His commands. Thank you.
        -The Parable of the white laundry and the black man
        -Scientific proof that GAY SEX IS UNHYGIENIC!
        -Holocaust Jokes
        -Diarrhea: The Va​ginal Lubrication of the Homosexuals
        -Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?
        -10 Reasons why GOD HATES FRANCE!
        -5 Reasons why GOD HATES LEAGUE OF LEGENDS!
        -Today I am declaring War against Woman's Rights!

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        • David Rothstein
          Unsaved trash, Christ-killing joo
          • Sep 2010
          • 95

          #5
          Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

          Then you both are Jewish, as this scripture was written for the Jew? I thought you Christians were absolved of Torah laws and scriptures by your "Good News"?

          I expect you will now also follow all dietary laws of Judaism as well.

          Shalom brothers!
          Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.

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          • Levi Jones
            Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
            Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
            Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
             
            • Jul 2009
            • 13930

            #6
            Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

            Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
            Then you both are Jewish, as this scripture was written for the Jew? I thought you Christians were absolved of Torah laws and scriptures by your "Good News"?

            I expect you will now also follow all dietary laws of Judaism as well.

            Shalom brothers!
            Don't be ridiculous, hook nose.

            Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

            James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

            You see? It's all there and non-contradictory at all!
            Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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            • jessicababe
              Unsaved trash
              • Oct 2011
              • 19

              #7
              Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

              Originally posted by Titus Templeton View Post
              Well my first Son has only 4 fingers. God told me to cut off his finger and i did it.
              thats a mentel illness

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              • Alphonse Alban
                Apostle to the Samites and Laplander Eskimos.
                 
                • Feb 2011
                • 5724

                #8
                Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                Originally posted by jessicababe View Post
                thats a mentel illness
                Having 4 fingers does not necessarily mean that someone is demon possessed.

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                • Josh Blount
                  Forum Member
                  Forum Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 31

                  #9
                  Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                  Originally posted by Alphonse Alban View Post
                  Having 4 fingers does not necessarily mean that someone is demon possessed.

                  Lev 21:17 - "Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever [he be] of thy seed in their generations that hath [any] blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God."

                  This tells us that those whose children have unnatural defects will present us a false god. This could mean that yes, parents of defected babies ARE messengers of the devil.

                  Lev 21:18 - "For whatsoever man [he be] that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous"

                  Lev 21:23 - Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.

                  As you can see, those with defects have been rejected by God.
                  The Pope: Satan incarnate- 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
                  "13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

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                  • salacious
                    Unsaved trash
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 24

                    #10
                    Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                    Originally posted by Viggo B. Kristoffersen View Post
                    Bless you Brother. You're exactly the kind of person God loves. I wonder how many fingers your son would've had if you didn't cut one off. My guess is that he would have lost an arm or a leg. God would definitely have punished you in some way. Actually I'm pretty sure you saved the kids life by that heroic act.
                    Theres a thread about a lesbian emo cutting herself and it clearly STATES THAT GOD SAID YOU SHALL NOT CUT INTO URSELF FOR THE DEAD!!! so therefore you have contradicted yourselves and you shall all go to hell for being sadistic bastards... even hitler looks like a saint compared to you lot!!! i hope god makes you all suffer for your sadistic ways, you all are suffering from mental illnesses, infact your ways seem what some would could devil like, infact they are devil like, you are a reflection of the devil himself, i feel sorry for your children, in england people like you would be killed because god would will it, unfortunately in your hillbilly land you people seem to think its ok to hack off your childrens body parts.. what if your child was told by god that your all the devil and that he should kill you, would you believe him? probably not coz your money grabbing dirty satanist fools... i will now pray that god sorts you out before your children suffer, dont forget that the angel over your childs head is watching your every move, karma comes back around TENFOLD!!!!

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                    • Mary Etheldreda
                      Gushing for Jesus
                       
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 23775

                      #11
                      Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                      Originally posted by salacious View Post
                      Theres a thread about a lesbian emo cutting herself and it clearly STATES THAT GOD SAID YOU SHALL NOT CUT INTO URSELF FOR THE DEAD!!! so therefore you have contradicted yourselves and you shall all go to hell for being sadistic bastards
                      Oh for crying out loud. Stop your tantruming long enough to read the comment from brother Templeton again:

                      Originally posted by Titus Templeton View Post
                      Well my first Son has only 4 fingers. God told me to cut off his finger and i did it.
                      He didn't cut himself but his child. This was an act of love, obviously, and obedience. Brother Templeton did what any True Christian would do.

                      Originally posted by Titus Templeton View Post
                      . i will now pray that god sorts you out before your children suffer, dont forget that the angel over your childs head is watching your every move, karma comes back around TENFOLD!!!!
                      Can you share what chapter and verse in the KVJ1611 Bible this would be found? I didn't think so.
                      Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                      • salacious
                        Unsaved trash
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 24

                        #12
                        Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                        Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                        Oh for crying out loud. Stop your tantruming long enough to read the comment from brother Templeton again:



                        He didn't cut himself but his child. This was an act of love, obviously, and obedience. Brother Templeton did what any True Christian would do.



                        Can you share what chapter and verse in the KVJ1611 Bible this would be found? I didn't think so.
                        is it in gods image that he shall harm children? are children not watched over by angels? are you trying to divert the text by saying that its ok to cut into the flesh of others? god is telling me that you should all die before your satanic ways affect your children, but let me guess you'll deny that god spoke to me, because only you lot can hear him right? its funny that because thats what he told me.

                        Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


                        so go burn yourself aswell as you have been affected because i can guarantee that at least one person in your town applies to this rule therefore you are all infected and must die for the purity... good luck in hell

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                        • Deaner
                          Christ's Love Messenger
                          True Christian™
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 5932

                          #13
                          Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                          Originally posted by Viggo B. Kristoffersen View Post
                          Should we obey God if his command to us is to kill our own children? Of course we should.
                          What kind of decrepit wing-nut would even dare to ask such a stupid quetion Brother Viggo? We all know you have a golden heart full of compassion but have you been witnessing to the drooling retards again?

                          You are such a softie Brother. Christ has a special place for you in Heaven.

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                          • Mary Etheldreda
                            Gushing for Jesus
                             
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 23775

                            #14
                            Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                            Originally posted by salacious View Post
                            is it in gods image that he shall harm children?
                            The Love and Mercy of our LORD does not stop at the comfort of children:

                            "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle" (Exodus 12:29)

                            "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." (2 Kings 2:23-24)

                            "Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; And with thee will I break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee will I break in pieces the chariot and his rider; With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers. And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD." (Jeremiah 51:20-24)

                            Originally posted by salacious View Post
                            are children not watched over by angels?
                            The impish child Brother Winner lost clearly rejected any divine intervention and welcomed demons into his own soul, thus putting himself and his entire family in danger. Brother Winner was right to chastise him and if the boy child chose to hang on to those demons then what could be done?

                            Originally posted by salacious View Post
                            are you trying to divert the text by saying that its ok to cut into the flesh of others? god is telling me that you should all die before your satanic ways affect your children, but let me guess you'll deny that god spoke to me, because only you lot can hear him right? its funny that because thats what he told me.
                            If you can show me the chapter and verse where God is telling you that I should die now, then I will consider it. Otherwise this looks like nothing more than frenzied babbling because you cannot understand the ways of the LORD. "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness." (1 Corinthians 1:18)

                            Originally posted by salacious View Post
                            Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
                            The actual passage reads:

                            "Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God."

                            (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

                            So yes, if certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among me and mine, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of my city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known, then I shall do as the LORD commands.

                            Originally posted by salacious View Post
                            so go burn yourself aswell as you have been affected because i can guarantee that at least one person in your town applies to this rule therefore you are all infected and must die for the purity... good luck in hell
                            I won't burn. Christ has died for my sins, Hallelujah!
                            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                            • Isaac Fisher
                              Forum Member
                              Forum Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 270

                              #15
                              Re: Of course we must kill our own children if it's God's wish

                              As much as it'd hurt me I'd kill me son or daughter if asked.

                              God knows better than I.

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