[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism. You would have to ask him yourself, and that's not going to happen!! but he takes a slightly more academic or should i say adult approach to the story of creation, its more metaphoric than absolute truth.

Your friend is deceived, then, by the modern trappings of convenience. As convenient as it is to believe evolution, what with all the so-called "evidence" in various labs and museums around the world, the centuries of scientific journals that seem to both foreshadow and confirm this hypothesis, and all the logical connections one can make should one be so inclined, it is still a lie and one that the Adversary likes to make use of. I personally do not have the faith to believe in this evolution. I have faith in Christ Jesus Crucified, and Resurrected.

\o/

[Didymus Much]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism...

So what level of fanaticism has he reached?

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

''All scripture is given by inspiration of God'' this I know he would agree with you on without question.

and quite possibly the rest of it,,''and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness''

but its the way in which you interpret the words that makes all the difference between a fringe religious cult on the internet and 99% of all other Christianity!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism. You would have to ask him yourself, and that's not going to happen!! but he takes a slightly more academic or should i say adult approach to the story of creation, its more metaphoric than absolute truth.

Why should the creation account be read as a metaphor or allegory, and for what? Also, the Old and New Testaments both contain genealogies stretching back to Adam. At what point does a metaphor “beget” a flesh-and-blood human being?

Furthermore, what is your friend's test for determining which parts of the Bible are metaphorical or allegorical and which are meant literally? If Genesis is metaphorical, why aren’t the Gospels metaphorical as well? In other words, if your friend is right about Genesis, why aren’t the magic-mushroom cultists right about the Gospels? In short, how can he be sure that any part of the Bible means what it says?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism. You would have to ask him yourself, and that's not going to happen!! but he takes a slightly more academic or should i say adult approach to the story of creation, its more metaphoric than absolute truth.

Why doesn't he follow God's words and correct us?

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

I think the coward know his position is ridiculous

YIC

Jack

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

but its the way in which you interpret the words

We don't interpret them; we simply read what they say. Interpretation is for religious liberals who first decide what to believe and then rework Scripture to fit.

that makes all the difference between a fringe religious cult on the internet and 99% of all other Christianity!

How is that not the fallacy of appeal to popularity? Salvation is not a popularity contest:

Matt. 7:13-14: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

''So what level of fanaticism has he reached?''

He hasnt , you lot have done all the work there, its like normal Muslims are tarnished because of the fanatical splinter group the al qaeda ! Thats not the normal way Muslims act, I know i used to live in a heavily Muslim area! a small minority spoil it for the rest! just as you are doing and the next wave of Fanatics will do once you have gone...

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

''All scripture is given by inspiration of God'' this I know he would agree with you on without question.

and quite possibly the rest of it,,''and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness''

but its the way in which you interpret the words that makes all the difference between a fringe religious cult on the internet and 99% of all other Christianity!

The Bible tells us that most are wrong.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


YIC

Jack

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism. You would have to ask him yourself, and that's not going to happen!! but he takes a slightly more academic or should i say adult approach to the story of creation, its more metaphoric than absolute truth.

Is the virgin birth a metaphor? What about the resurrection? How does he know that these are not metaphors? After all science tells us that virgins don't give birth or the dead rise. I would love to hear his reasoning.

YIC

Jack

[Didymus Much]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

''So what level of fanaticism has he reached?''...He hasnt , you lot have done all the work there...

You misunderstand me (among other things). I am atheist. I am merely here to learn about the Bible and it's teachings, and to help others to do so.

I am kind of sad for your friend who has obviously devoted a great deal of time and effort into studying the Scripture, yet can't admit to himself that he doesn't believe any of it to be true. He himself said that fanaticism is PROVEN to come with religion, yet would probably deny himself the chance to do what his God has commanded him to do:

2 Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman."

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

We do NOT interpret the Bible.

YIC

Jack

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

Re-read the last few posts. To summarize:

1. We don't interpret; we follow the clear meaning.
2. Most people will be damned. We didn't say so; Jesus did, and in words that you can't interpret your way out of.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

im not defending anything, I simply oppose your simplistic attitude to those with disabilities.

''As I have already explained, given that there is a God who answers prayer''

Explaining something doesn't make it true! people used to explain the suns movements across the sky as a battle between two lizard gods from Aboriginal Australia. that doesnt make it true.

PROVE what you are saying, PROVE IT!

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

Man has worshipped 10,000 gods. If your friend accepts that the scientific explanation is correct then he has to accept that the God of Abraham has bee proved wrong. Then why does your friend not choose another god whose creation account more closely matches the 'evidence', there are thousands to pick from. Why doesn't he reject the idea of gods completely?

If your friend does not accept the Bible 100% then the only conclusion must be that his choice of his personal god is just based on his upbringing and the accident of the time and the place he was born. What a ridiculous position is that? And how pathetic to base your career on it.

We accept the Bible is the INNERANT word of our God. This is the only view that makes sense, your friend is a fool.

YIC

Jack