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  • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

    Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
    we'll get a priest at our death bed and denounce all our sins and take on your God…(people who kill can still go to heaven cant they? and gay people can be saved as you've stated, cant they?) well there you go then..
    Here you go, then:

    1. “we'll get a priest at our death bed” Even a Bible believing protestant who got-a-priest-to-their-death-bed would not go to Heaven nor would they go to Heaven if they recovered and died later with no priests in attendance because they'd've committed the unforgivable sin. God explains:
    Matthew 12:31 ¶ Wherefore I say vnto you, All maner of sinne and blasphemie shall be forgiuen vnto men: but the blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men.
    ©1611

    The evidence we have that God is able to save I John 1:9 and its source II Peter 1:21 is particularly clear on this point. Priests, whether catholic or Russian orthodox or coptic or Zoroastrian, priests of Zeus or Jewish or buddhist priests are not only defunct and impotent but declare The Holy Ghost a liar and a fool. If they don't actively encourage idolatry, prohibited in both the Old and the New Testaments, they live and breathe and have their being in a world view which holds Christ's Sacrifice void, empty and without merit. To conjoin oneself with any such gross blasphemy, even momentarily after a lifetime of mimed religiosity, is to choose irrevocable damnation.

    That teaching has Divine provenance.
    ALL PRIESTS DENY THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY GHOST; otherwise they would not be priests.

    To impute any capacity to forgive to such charlatans who embrace the demonic philosophy that The Holy Ghost is Himself a charlatan is the most repugnant blasphemy, a choice for satan and the eternal paroxym of unrequited longing in a hell of ugly devils.

    2. “gay people can be saved as you've stated, cant they?” Yes they can, as we attest and as God has stated. It is the opposite of what you insinuate and we not only repudiate your lies but identify your father John 8:44

    Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
    ''God strikes down people often as a punishment for others behavior''

    Prove that statement beyond Any reasonable doubt.

    and what sort of system does that anyway??? This would NEVER EVER be allowed within our society EVER, if a father kills someone, why would you send the child to prison? No society would entertain such a rule.
    ..whores
    ..disabilities
    ..so sick
    ..planet
    3. “No society would entertain such a rule” And yet you do entertain such devilish notions (as that there is no sin). God punishes children (whom the fathers may observe) and grandchildren (the grandfathers may observe and despair) great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren and blasted progeny unto the tenth generation and beyond (whom the wretched sinners would never observe)

    Deuteronomy 23:2 Genesis 9:25 (if ever an obvious curse were still current this is it)

    the laws of satan are so enshrined in your desire for everlasting torture that you'd see them shoved through the legislature with state regulated hookers, such vile sickness and maimed progeny as defies logic not only condoned but, in many cases COMPULSORY in the form of temple prostitutes, payback spearings and ritual trepanning it makes me vomit. What sort of a "god" would you serve?

    4. “..planet” The earth is not a planet.

    Why your God? how can you prove its not Allah or Rah or any other, why should we 'choose' your God over any other claiming just as much truth as yours.
    5. “claiming just as much truth” Neither Allah nor Rah nor Zarathustra nor Siddhartha nor the jerking jungle witchdoctor claim to be unique. They represent themselves as part of a continuum stretching-back-forever/originating-in-fire/ejaculated-from-demons/crouching-in-caves/possessed-by-myriad-ancestors and proffer no proof or evidence.

    They are mutually exclusive. God is always consistent the Bible teaches us:


    Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt haue no other Gods before me.

    Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord and there is none els there is no God besides me I girded thee though thou hast not knowen me


    1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay, then that is laide, which is Iesus Christ.

    Acts 4:10-12 Be it knowen vnto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the Name of Iesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whome God raised from the dead, euen by him, doeth this man stand here before you, whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there saluation in any other: for there is none other name vnder heauen giuen among men whereby we must be saued.
    ©1611

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    • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

      Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
      but its the way in which you interpret the words that makes all the difference between a fringe religious cult on the internet and 99% of all other Christianity!
      Hi ilovethelandoverbapt, I've been steering clear of your post (mainly because of your anal sex oriented discussions) but when you posted the above I felt I had to step in a defend Jesus

      The good folks here are very devout and even though I rarely get involved in the more vigourous debates with the unSaved® I feel I need to add my two pen'th worth.

      You have made a point that needs addressing with your above post and loath as I am to contradict anyone (apart from people misrepresenting the Bible) I think it time I explained my disagreement to the above post.

      The above post appears to imply that we (the good people who are my brothers and sisters in Christ who, even though I have not met them I have skyped them on many occaisons and a more devoted bunch of decent God fearing, touching (not in a pedophillia way, much more like the touch of a favourite uncle) people that you could ever meet.

      My point is that how can such good, decent people interpret the Bible when all that is required is that it (the Bible) is read and obeyed?

      For example: Leviticus 20:13 tells us the gaywise should be killed.

      How can that be misinterpreted?

      Looking forwards to you response, Mr Niles, PhD, Ms Dips, Ms Cert, BSc (Hons), esq
      1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

      Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

      Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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      • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

        what ever i say will only fuel your self deluded idealism's and make you feel what your doing is right, so i give up on reasoning with you. Carry on guys what possible difference does it make to my life anyway. Only in America...Theres not a chance in the area of the UK i live in people would get away with talking about people with Disabilities as displayed on here...Moreover this type of primitive attitude towards such matters is long gone, and so it should be! Just dont talk about people like that its misguided ,cruel , heartless and unnecessary. Maybe to you they are going to hell or are sinner or being punished, but why get offensive? thats all im saying
        Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
        abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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        • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

          Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
          what ever i say will only fuel your self deluded idealism's and make you feel what your doing is right, so i give up on reasoning with you. Carry on guys what possible difference does it make to my life anyway. Only in America...Theres not a chance in the area of the UK i live in people would get away with talking about people with Disabilities as displayed on here...Moreover this type of primitive attitude towards such matters is long gone, and so it should be! Just dont talk about people like that its misguided ,cruel , heartless and unnecessary. Maybe to you they are going to hell or are sinner or being punished, but why get offensive? thats all im saying
          Friend, you can coddle and pander to the lazy retards all you want. But God sees you enabling their lifestyle, perpetuating the myth. They have a burden to deal with, a price to pay. The more you let them deal with it ON THEIR OWN, the better off they will be. How do you expect them to have the desire to get off of their lazy asses and become productive members of society. I am up at 4:30 every day and working by 5:30. I'll never let one of them slouch about, drooling and screwing up. Positive reinforcement. They do a good job, they get praised, perhaps a little treat. Screw up and they will be scolded and reprimanded. Just like God tells us to do in the Bible.
          Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
          Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
          Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
          Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
          Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
          Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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          • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

            This is the type of language & Attitude i'm on about,,but still you persist?

            ''How do you expect them to have the desire to get off of their lazy asses and become productive members of society''


            ......but then.....

            ''Positive reinforcement. They do a good job, they get praised, perhaps a little treat. Screw up and they will be reprimand''

            Absolutely right there as any person in this world, praise them when they do well, perhaps a treat, and if they do wrong reprimand them. Thats what happens all the time for everybody including people with disabilities , like down syndrome for instance, I have close relations with a down syndrome girl, if shes naughty we tell her off, if shes good we praise her. Pretty obvious stuff really!
            Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
            abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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            • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

              Also some do go on to be productive members of society, several large UK stores now hire people with down syndrome, and that has nothing to do with God before you start. Its down to a change in human rights law through secular reasoning !

              and please dont sink to any level about me typing 'close relations' either....that would asinine ! actually go ahead thats just up you street isnt it!
              Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
              abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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              • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
                Also some do go on to be productive members of society, several large UK stores now hire people with down syndrome, and that has nothing to do with God before you start. Its down to a change in human rights law through secular reasoning !

                and please dont sink to any level about me typing 'close relations' either....that would asinine ! actually go ahead thats just up you street isnt it!
                I notice that neither you or your false Christian friend have given any examples where we have misquoted or misinterpreted the Bible. Are you going to try to do this or are you both just going to admit that we are right?

                YIC

                Jack
                Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

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                I know God wouldn't let me believe in Him if He didn't exist.

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                • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                  I have as much proof for you misinterpreting the bible as you do that it is the word of god. You don't deal in proofs you deal in faith and it is mine and everyone whom i have shown this websites faith you have it wrong! Talking about people with disabilities as you do IS WRONG!
                  Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
                  abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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                  • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                    Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
                    I have as much proof for you misinterpreting the bible as you do that it is the word of god. You don't deal in proofs you deal in faith and it is mine and everyone whom i have shown this websites faith you have it wrong! Talking about people with disabilities as you do IS WRONG!
                    So why do you think God hates the retards so much?
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                    Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

                    John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

                    Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
                    The truth about volcanos
                    Sex and debauchery in public schools
                    Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
                    God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
                    Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

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                    • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                      Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
                      LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
                      Put up or shut up.

                      Originally posted by Jack O'fagan View Post
                      I notice that neither you or your false Christian friend have given any examples where we have misquoted or misinterpreted the Bible...

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                      • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                        Redeemed Papist,,,,,go away with your asinine behavior and grow up!
                        Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
                        abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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                        • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                          Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
                          I have as much proof for you misinterpreting the bible as you do that it is the word of god. You don't deal in proofs you deal in faith and it is mine and everyone whom i have shown this websites faith you have it wrong! Talking about people with disabilities as you do IS WRONG!
                          Leviticus 21:16 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
                          18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
                          19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
                          20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;


                          God discriminates between the handicapped and the able bodied. What does your false christian friends think of this? Ask him.


                          YIC


                          Jack
                          Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

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                          I know God wouldn't let me believe in Him if He didn't exist.

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                          • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                            Originally posted by ilovethelandoverbapt View Post
                            Redeemed Papist,,,,,go away with your asinine behavior and grow up!
                            No, seriously, what is God punishing them for by making them irrevocably retarded? In your opinion. Babies born as retards with no hope of recovery. Why? You claim to know so much. Let's hear it.
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                            Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

                            John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

                            Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
                            The truth about volcanos
                            Sex and debauchery in public schools
                            Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
                            God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
                            Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

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                            • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                              yeah re-quoting me back as LALALALALALALALALALALALALA, well done!??

                              I shall do NO such thing, neither put up, nor shut up with anything of this nature!!!! If people did black people would still be slaves and seen as inferior, disabled people wouldn't have the rights they do, theres so many historical PROOFS that people will NOT put up, and shut up!
                              Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
                              abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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                              • Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

                                wow im i going to have to very simply explain to you how reproduction works along side genetics, and the slight changes and mutations that occur in the copying process, otherwise everyone would look identical, the fact you look similar to your parents is because you were formed from their DNA, and if by chance something goes wrong in the process your are born with a disability, or a mirriad of other reason can go to explain complications with babies and adults!
                                Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
                                abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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