[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I have as much proof for you misinterpreting the bible as you do that it is the word of god. You don't deal in proofs you deal in faith and it is mine and everyone whom i have shown this websites faith you have it wrong! Talking about people with disabilities as you do IS WRONG!

So why do you think God hates the retards so much?

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I have as much proof for you misinterpreting the bible as you do that it is the word of god. You don't deal in proofs you deal in faith and it is mine and everyone whom i have shown this websites faith you have it wrong! Talking about people with disabilities as you do IS WRONG!

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Also some do go on to be productive members of society, several large UK stores now hire people with down syndrome, and that has nothing to do with God before you start. Its down to a change in human rights law through secular reasoning !

and please dont sink to any level about me typing 'close relations' either....that would asinine ! actually go ahead thats just up you street isnt it!

I notice that neither you or your false Christian friend have given any examples where we have misquoted or misinterpreted the Bible. Are you going to try to do this or are you both just going to admit that we are right?

YIC

Jack

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Also some do go on to be productive members of society, several large UK stores now hire people with down syndrome, and that has nothing to do with God before you start. Its down to a change in human rights law through secular reasoning !

and please dont sink to any level about me typing 'close relations' either....that would asinine ! actually go ahead thats just up you street isnt it!

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

This is the type of language & Attitude i'm on about,,but still you persist?

''How do you expect them to have the desire to get off of their lazy asses and become productive members of society''


......but then.....

''Positive reinforcement. They do a good job, they get praised, perhaps a little treat. Screw up and they will be reprimand''

Absolutely right there as any person in this world, praise them when they do well, perhaps a treat, and if they do wrong reprimand them. Thats what happens all the time for everybody including people with disabilities , like down syndrome for instance, I have close relations with a down syndrome girl, if shes naughty we tell her off, if shes good we praise her. Pretty obvious stuff really!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

what ever i say will only fuel your self deluded idealism's and make you feel what your doing is right, so i give up on reasoning with you. Carry on guys what possible difference does it make to my life anyway. Only in America...Theres not a chance in the area of the UK i live in people would get away with talking about people with Disabilities as displayed on here...Moreover this type of primitive attitude towards such matters is long gone, and so it should be! Just dont talk about people like that its misguided ,cruel , heartless and unnecessary. Maybe to you they are going to hell or are sinner or being punished, but why get offensive? thats all im saying

Friend, you can coddle and pander to the lazy retards all you want. But God sees you enabling their lifestyle, perpetuating the myth. They have a burden to deal with, a price to pay. The more you let them deal with it ON THEIR OWN, the better off they will be. How do you expect them to have the desire to get off of their lazy asses and become productive members of society. I am up at 4:30 every day and working by 5:30. I'll never let one of them slouch about, drooling and screwing up. Positive reinforcement. They do a good job, they get praised, perhaps a little treat. Screw up and they will be scolded and reprimanded. Just like God tells us to do in the Bible.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

what ever i say will only fuel your self deluded idealism's and make you feel what your doing is right, so i give up on reasoning with you. Carry on guys what possible difference does it make to my life anyway. Only in America...Theres not a chance in the area of the UK i live in people would get away with talking about people with Disabilities as displayed on here...Moreover this type of primitive attitude towards such matters is long gone, and so it should be! Just dont talk about people like that its misguided ,cruel , heartless and unnecessary. Maybe to you they are going to hell or are sinner or being punished, but why get offensive? thats all im saying

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

but its the way in which you interpret the words that makes all the difference between a fringe religious cult on the internet and 99% of all other Christianity!

Hi ilovethelandoverbapt, I've been steering clear of your post (mainly because of your anal sex oriented discussions) but when you posted the above I felt I had to step in a defend Jesus

The good folks here are very devout and even though I rarely get involved in the more vigourous debates with the unSaved® I feel I need to add my two pen'th worth.

You have made a point that needs addressing with your above post and loath as I am to contradict anyone (apart from people misrepresenting the Bible) I think it time I explained my disagreement to the above post.

The above post appears to imply that we (the good people who are my brothers and sisters in Christ who, even though I have not met them I have skyped them on many occaisons and a more devoted bunch of decent God fearing, touching (not in a pedophillia way, much more like the touch of a favourite uncle) people that you could ever meet.

My point is that how can such good, decent people interpret the Bible when all that is required is that it (the Bible) is read and obeyed?

For example: Leviticus 20:13 tells us the gaywise should be killed.

How can that be misinterpreted?

Looking forwards to you response, Mr Niles, PhD, Ms Dips, Ms Cert, BSc (Hons), esq

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

we'll get a priest at our death bed and denounce all our sins and take on your God…(people who kill can still go to heaven cant they? and gay people can be saved as you've stated, cant they?) well there you go then..

Here you go, then:

1. “we'll get a priest at our death bed” Even a Bible believing protestant who got-a-priest-to-their-death-bed would not go to Heaven nor would they go to Heaven if they recovered and died later with no priests in attendance because they'd've committed the unforgivable sin. God explains:

Matthew 12:31 ¶ Wherefore I say vnto you, All maner of sinne and blasphemie shall be forgiuen vnto men: but the blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men.
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The evidence we have that God is able to save I John 1:9 and its source II Peter 1:21 is particularly clear on this point. Priests, whether catholic or Russian orthodox or coptic or Zoroastrian, priests of Zeus or Jewish or buddhist priests are not only defunct and impotent but declare The Holy Ghost a liar and a fool. If they don't actively encourage idolatry, prohibited in both the Old and the New Testaments, they live and breathe and have their being in a world view which holds Christ's Sacrifice void, empty and without merit. To conjoin oneself with any such gross blasphemy, even momentarily after a lifetime of mimed religiosity, is to choose irrevocable damnation.

That teaching has Divine provenance.
ALL PRIESTS DENY THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY GHOST; otherwise they would not be priests.

To impute any capacity to forgive to such charlatans who embrace the demonic philosophy that The Holy Ghost is Himself a charlatan is the most repugnant blasphemy, a choice for satan and the eternal paroxym of unrequited longing in a hell of ugly devils.

2. “gay people can be saved as you've stated, cant they?” Yes they can, as we attest and as God has stated. It is the opposite of what you insinuate and we not only repudiate your lies but identify your father John 8:44

''God strikes down people often as a punishment for others behavior''

Prove that statement beyond Any reasonable doubt.

and what sort of system does that anyway??? This would NEVER EVER be allowed within our society EVER, if a father kills someone, why would you send the child to prison? No society would entertain such a rule.
..whores
..disabilities
..so sick
..planet

3. “No society would entertain such a rule” And yet you do entertain such devilish notions (as that there is no sin). God punishes children (whom the fathers may observe) and grandchildren (the grandfathers may observe and despair) great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren and blasted progeny unto the tenth generation and beyond (whom the wretched sinners would never observe)

Deuteronomy 23:2 Genesis 9:25 (if ever an obvious curse were still current this is it)

the laws of satan are so enshrined in your desire for everlasting torture that you'd see them shoved through the legislature with state regulated hookers, such vile sickness and maimed progeny as defies logic not only condoned but, in many cases COMPULSORY in the form of temple prostitutes, payback spearings and ritual trepanning it makes me vomit. What sort of a "god" would you serve?

4. “..planet” The earth is not a planet.

Why your God? how can you prove its not Allah or Rah or any other, why should we 'choose' your God over any other claiming just as much truth as yours.

5. “claiming just as much truth” Neither Allah nor Rah nor Zarathustra nor Siddhartha nor the jerking jungle witchdoctor claim to be unique. They represent themselves as part of a continuum stretching-back-forever/originating-in-fire/ejaculated-from-demons/crouching-in-caves/possessed-by-myriad-ancestors and proffer no proof or evidence.

They are mutually exclusive. God is always consistent the Bible teaches us:

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt haue no other Gods before me.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord and there is none els there is no God besides me I girded thee though thou hast not knowen me

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay, then that is laide, which is Iesus Christ.

Acts 4:10-12 Be it knowen vnto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the Name of Iesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whome God raised from the dead, euen by him, doeth this man stand here before you, whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there saluation in any other: for there is none other name vnder heauen giuen among men whereby we must be saued.
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[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

Man has worshipped 10,000 gods. If your friend accepts that the scientific explanation is correct then he has to accept that the God of Abraham has bee proved wrong. Then why does your friend not choose another god whose creation account more closely matches the 'evidence', there are thousands to pick from. Why doesn't he reject the idea of gods completely?

If your friend does not accept the Bible 100% then the only conclusion must be that his choice of his personal god is just based on his upbringing and the accident of the time and the place he was born. What a ridiculous position is that? And how pathetic to base your career on it.

We accept the Bible is the INNERANT word of our God. This is the only view that makes sense, your friend is a fool.

YIC

Jack

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

im not defending anything, I simply oppose your simplistic attitude to those with disabilities.

''As I have already explained, given that there is a God who answers prayer''

Explaining something doesn't make it true! people used to explain the suns movements across the sky as a battle between two lizard gods from Aboriginal Australia. that doesnt make it true.

PROVE what you are saying, PROVE IT!

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

Re-read the last few posts. To summarize:

1. We don't interpret; we follow the clear meaning.
2. Most people will be damned. We didn't say so; Jesus did, and in words that you can't interpret your way out of.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

if your SO right, why doesnt everyone just follow the way you interpret the bible? rather than you guys being the fringe group in this discussion?

We do NOT interpret the Bible.

YIC

Jack

[Didymus Much]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

''So what level of fanaticism has he reached?''...He hasnt , you lot have done all the work there...

You misunderstand me (among other things). I am atheist. I am merely here to learn about the Bible and it's teachings, and to help others to do so.

I am kind of sad for your friend who has obviously devoted a great deal of time and effort into studying the Scripture, yet can't admit to himself that he doesn't believe any of it to be true. He himself said that fanaticism is PROVEN to come with religion, yet would probably deny himself the chance to do what his God has commanded him to do:

2 Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman."

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I showed him this website, and he mearly said it saddened him that his brothers had become so lost and that it proves that with religion come fanaticism. You would have to ask him yourself, and that's not going to happen!! but he takes a slightly more academic or should i say adult approach to the story of creation, its more metaphoric than absolute truth.

Is the virgin birth a metaphor? What about the resurrection? How does he know that these are not metaphors? After all science tells us that virgins don't give birth or the dead rise. I would love to hear his reasoning.

YIC

Jack