No, "Lie for Jesus" is not all bad for Anti Abortion Christians

[Johny Joe Hold]

A friend tipped me off about a rabid liberal blogger who claims Christian women's centers which persuade women not to get abortions are dishonest. The blogger claims these Christian centers tell pregnant women they are farther along in their pregnancy than they actually are. This helps persuade the woman it is too late to get a legal abortion. The blogger claims the Christian motto is "Lie for Jesus."

To be honest, I don't think the Bible condemns a "Lie for Jesus" Christian. Paul instructed us to present ourselves as locals even if we are foreign to make spreading the Gospel easier. He urges believers to act as if they fit in to the culture they are saving for Jesus (Acts 17:16-34). So when a pregnant women needs to hear something that is not quite correct but leads her away from sin, it can't be all wrong to help her.

Do Anti Abortion Centers Have a Motto, "Lie for Jesus" (freethinkerjon.blogspot.com)

[handmaiden]

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There is a big difference between actual lying and telling people the things that Jesus wants them to hear.

"Alternative facts" is another way to put it.

[WWJDnow]

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Jesus himself lied for Jesus. When his disciples asked why he spoke in parables, Jesus explained that is was so people who weren't meant to be saved would not accidentally be saved just because they heard His message:

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

This is why, when I witness, I try to make the message as confusing as possible. Which, to be honest, is not terribly difficult. I'd feel terrible if I mistakenly saved a soul that God had marked out for eternal torture.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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Jesus also made liars of His disciples when He said Peter would deny Him thrice before the cock croweth twice.

Mark 14:30
And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.

If Peter had not lied then he would have made Jesus a liar, which Brother Dnow proved He was, but regardless, He told him to lie and he did so he is a liar for Him.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I'd feel terrible if I mistakenly saved a soul that God had marked out for eternal torture.

Amen!

Ro:9:20: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Ro:9:21: Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Ro:9:22: What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Amen!

As a practical matter, these Christian Pregnancy Centers need women to carry until birth. Too many abortions and they have no one to read scripture to and bring to Jesus.

And, there is the money. The centers charge pregnant women for care and medical services. The big money, however, comes when they persuade a woman to put the child up for adoption. There is some cost, they have to pay off the mother. After that it's good for the pregnancy center. Fees charged adoptive parents have shot through the old goal of $20,000 and sometimes Centers can bring in $60,000.

The future looks even better. As more couple have fertility problems, they will be bidding against each other at Christian Pregnancy Centers for the few available babies. I'm thinking revenue of $80,000 to $100,000 from each baby in a few years.

How Much Does it Cost to Adopt? - Adoptions TogetherAdoptions Together

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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I'm thinking revenue of $80,000 to $100,000 from each baby in a few years.

Fees can be added to get a Certified Christian™ baby especially the ethnically compromised ones that do not command top tier pricing. These are used babies, not brand new, so buyers feel more confident if it has passed a 21-point inspection.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Fees can be added to get a Certified Christian™ baby especially the ethnically compromised ones that do not command top tier pricing. These are used babies, not brand new, so buyers feel more confident if it has passed a 21-point inspection.

Thank you, Dr. Toole--As the political season progresses, we have to remember this revenue stream from placing babies for adoption depends on anti-abortion laws. If abortions are available, Christians in the adoption business will have no income. Let's remain loyal to Right-to-Life.

[MitzaLizalor]

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(Acts 17:16-34)

I read that passage, it's one I find very encouraging, in particular Paul quoting Cleanthes and Epimenides.

27-28a That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being

28b-29 as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

The poets are writing about Zeus. They're saying that we are all the offspring OF ZEUS. Their observation is that IN ZEUS we live & move & have our being. Some people call this a bait-and-switch tactic. But when presenting The Truth, it's not deceptive because God already knows who's Saved and who's not. Other people say that nothing in Acts is historical and that Paul never existed as an individual; presumably his writings are done by several different authors "in the style of" they'd claim. But if that were true, how come we know who the poets were? This is an important precedent when witnessing for Him.

[handmaiden]

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As some top legal minds have pointed out, we have a critical need for a "domestic supply of infants", in this country. It is outrageous how many people have to go overseas to adopt children. Not only are they spending their American dollars there, but they are bringing in scores of non-white children in the process.

An abortion ban just makes economic sense when seen in this light.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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As some top legal minds have pointed out, we have a critical need for a "domestic supply of infants", in this country. It is outrageous how many people have to go overseas to adopt children. Not only are they spending their American dollars there, but they are bringing in scores of non-white children in the process.

An abortion ban just makes economic sense when seen in this light.

Yes, sometimes the stars align and a thing is good whichever way you look at it. Fortunately we have hard-headed leadership on the Supreme Court that can cut through the bull and tell us how it is - it's incredible the rest of us have missed this insight the last 50 years. The trickle down effect of poor people selling supplying their surplus infants to the market is part of the beauty of God's unknowable plan.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Yes, sometimes the stars align and a thing is good whichever way you look at it. Fortunately we have hard-headed leadership on the Supreme Court that can cut through the bull and tell us how it is - it's incredible the rest of us have missed this insight the last 50 years. The trickle down effect of poor people selling supplying their surplus infants to the market is part of the beauty of God's unknowable plan.

While we at Landover Baptist know poor people could better themselves by simply working harder, we should not ignore the aspect poor white people can play in the revenue we need badly at LBC. Why would we let the Catholics and other money grabbing groups take the white babies and collect big fees from adoptive parents?

Anti abortion is a Godly principle, but it also involves money changing hands. There is a Christian revenue stream here and we need to get our fare share.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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Anti abortion is a Godly principle, but it also involves money changing hands. There is a Christian revenue stream here and we need to get our fare share.

The absurdity here is that human life begins at conception. We Christians who love life in all its incest-induced medical deformity splendor should be allowed to collect aborted fetuses and grow them in jars. This may be a compromise that abortion-loving Democrats could accept while we get to honor God's precious gift, and make a little cash.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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while we get to honor God's precious gift, and make a little cash.

It's just business. When a competitor, like the Catholics, come up with a good idea, stop women from having abortions then take the babies that result and receive (sell) a fee from adoptive parents, we need to get in on it. Getting all teary eyed and sentimental about it is a waste of time.

[WWJDnow]

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If we're going to do this, let's do it right. We're going to need to set up a first-class auction site for the babies to maximize our profits. We should also have a trading operation that buys babies to hold in our inventory. That way we will never run out, and we can wholesale any surplus babies to other adoption agencies. Finally, somebody needs to make sure that people from the lesser races don't adopt any white babies--after all, our religious principles come before making profits!

How about this for our first promotion: "Adopt your first baby from Landover Child Placement and get a free gun!"