[James Hutchins]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

nobody in the Bible ever sacrificed a child to God. God even has a provision for the firstborn of men to be redeemed with animal sacrifice. If you are worried about God demanding the life of your child you need to pay a little more attention to the word, it's purely a reading comprehension issue

While a small mind might think that (because it is all warm and fuzzy) God has quite clearly stated other wise. He'd dash a childs head agains the rocks faster than you could ask for sprinkles.

1 Samuel 15
1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
10 Then came the word of the Lord unto Samuel, saying,
11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
12 And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.
13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.
14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.
16 Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the Lord hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.
17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the Lord anointed thee king over Israel?
18 And the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the Lord?
20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord.
26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
28 And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
30 Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord thy God.
31 So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the Lord.
32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal.
34 Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul.
35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

if I can't even figure out whether 1 Samuel 15 has anything to do with child sacrifice, how in the world are I going to understand the weightier matters of the law?
Please put some effort into my Bible study Educate me for I am clueless.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

if I can't even figure out whether 1 Samuel 15 has anything to do with child sacrifice, how in the world are I going to understand the weightier matters of the law?
Please put some effort into my Bible study Educate me for I am clueless.

I suggest reading it a few more times. If you have scripture that contradicts the KJV, please, by all means, present it.
Law friend, means nothing. God's Holy Word, does.

Just beacause God hates you, does not mean you have to make us see your misery. He gave us closets for a reason. Please return to yours.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

nobody in the Bible ever sacrificed a child to God. ... it's purely a reading comprehension issue

J'g:11:31: Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.J'g:11:34: And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
J'g:11:35: And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
J'g:11:36: And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
J'g:11:37: And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
J'g:11:38: And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
J'g:11:39: And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
J'g:11:40: That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

The comprehension issue is that you can't read.

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

brother, re-read what you are quoting please, it clearly says "bewail my virginity". She was sacrificed to God the same way as the child Samuel was, serving at the temple till the end of her life. Where does it say that she was killed on the altar?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

A simplistic, fluffy-bunny Christian approach, totally lacking in all common sense.

Are you suggesting that Jephthah, who, in return for victory, expected to come home and see a duck or a sheep come wandering out and that he would have then taken it to a temple for bestiality?

J'g:11:31e I will offer it up for a burnt offering. It seems strange to me that Jephthah should set fire to his daughter before giving her to the temple...

The trouble with you is that you have no idea what loyalty our God inspires in the believer. You seem to be living in a little world of your own invention and your "god" is remarkably like you.

Go away: we should not be associating with disgusting people like you. You are bringing down the tone of Landover.

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

The child Samuel was sacrificed to God too, but it didn't prevent him from living on to be an old man. Why do you think is that? There is a difference between how (unclean) animals, and humans are sacrificed to God. The former are killed, the latter are redeemed

Num 18:15 every one opening a womb of all flesh which they offer to Jehovah, among man and among animal, shall be yours. Only, you shall certainly redeem the first-born of man, and you shall redeem the firstling of the unclean beasts.
Num 18:16 And their redeemed ones, from a month old, you shall redeem with your valuation of silver, five shekels, by the shekel of the sanctuary; it is twenty gerahs.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

The child Samuel was sacrificed to God too, but it didn't prevent him from living on to be an old man. Why do you think is that?

Probably because nobody set fire to him.

There is a difference between how (unclean) animals, and humans are sacrificed to God. The former are killed, the latter are redeemed

You’re mad. Beset by demons of delusion.

1. Unclean animals were never accepted as sacrifices: see how far you get at some Jewish temple offering a pig.

2 Of course animals and humans are different: we are like gods and have command over animals

3. John:3:16

4. Your verses relate to the time after Numbers was written.

5. To redeem does not mean “to dedicate to the temple”, it means “pay a fee to the temple upon”

Are you misleading people for fun?

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

wine and grains are not sacrificed in the same manner as animals either, by the way. You never see any wine killed on the altar of God in the Bible

[James Hutchins]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

nobody in the Bible ever sacrificed a child to God. God even has a provision for the firstborn of men to be redeemed with animal sacrifice. If you are worried about God demanding the life of your child you need to pay a little more attention to the word, it's purely a reading comprehension issue

The child Samuel was sacrificed to God too, but it didn't prevent him from living on to be an old man. Why do you think is that? There is a difference between how (unclean) animals, and humans are sacrificed to God. The former are killed, the latter are redeemed

Num 18:15 every one opening a womb of all flesh which they offer to Jehovah, among man and among animal, shall be yours. Only, you shall certainly redeem the first-born of man, and you shall redeem the firstling of the unclean beasts.
Num 18:16 And their redeemed ones, from a month old, you shall redeem with your valuation of silver, five shekels, by the shekel of the sanctuary; it is twenty gerahs.

Well friend, I am just a simple county gentleman, but aren't you contradicting yourself.
Now, you first claim nobody did. I gave you scrtipture, clear as day, showing you one example (of many, I assure you) Then you agree yet still you carry on like a stuck pig. Friend, what is you problem? Is it demons in your rectum?
God gives all a final destiantion. The Chosen(c) ones, True Christians(tm) will go to Heaven. The unwanteds and bad, soul-less creatures, to Hell.

[Jim Farmer]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

I think our friend is having difficulty understanding anything he wasn't taught at JW school.

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

it's because baptists are closeted Catholics, any protestant will seem like a JW to you because protestants aren't "progressive"

[Didymus Much]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

it's because baptists are closeted Catholics, any protestant will seem like a JW to you because protestants aren't "progressive"

Of the thousands of adjectives I've used to describe the people here, "progressive" is quite absent, let me assure you.

[demosfen]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

you are not very familiar with baptists then, they progressed over the last 150 years from a protestant denomination to the point of being barely distinguishable from Catholicism. That's quite progressive in anyone's book

[James Hutchins]

Re: How Should I Prepare to Sacrifice My Child?

it's because baptists are closeted Catholics, any protestant will seem like a JW to you because protestants aren't "progressive"

Sorry friend, I do not follow you. How has that got anything to do with the fact you lied earlier? Wandering off topic like a hooker with ther popes red shoes does not cut it.
I think you've 'gone all straw man' and the barn is on fire.