[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I know full well that you're suggesting that True Christians don't pick and choose, but the very fact that you're not killing the homosexuals as the KJV1611 Bible clearly states is a testament to the fallacies of your argument. That's all well and good if the Bible tells you to 'cure gays' but it also tells you to kill them.

Since you only read some small parts of the Bible you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Either you read 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7 and you figure out how it works or you ignore it and you will never understand and burn in hell. The choice is up to you.

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

If you dictate a letter to your secretary, is it her letter or yours? Same with the Bible. The KJV 1611 Bible was dictated by God. The others are corruptions. It's very simple as Mr. Man already demonstrated.





Are you telling a Christian that Christianity is a religion?

We have no proof that the people who wrote the bible were "divinely" inspired. No, facts whatsoever. Your version of the bible was edited and some things were added to it by King James. So if any man or person in power can edit it or add stuff to it because they say they were simply inspired by "god" then that just makes the bible full of sh**. Yes I am telling you that it is a religion because that is what it is. Just thought I would let you know that I was once a Christian.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

We have no proof that the people who wrote the bible were "divinely" inspired. No, facts whatsoever.

Of course we do have proof: Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.

[ilovetehjeesus]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

And this is not denied by us in any way. The problem is that secular law does not allow it yet and the Bible is unequivocally clear that we should abide by secular law.

We are working on the solution. In 2012, Sister Palin and Mike Huckabee will be elected and they will amend the US Constitution to Biblical standards including Leviticus. Only then will killing homosexuals be allowed.

So what you're saying is that, not only does the [IMG]file:///C:/Users/ZACKGO%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-7.png[/IMG]Bible specifically say that you should follow secular law, but you should put it ahead of the instructions of God? Is there a verse in which this is outlined?

You understand it cannot merely be a paraphrasing of "follow the secular law", there must be some depiction of value; there needs to be a evident and clear instruction that Christians should follow the secular law even if it contradicts other Godly demands.

And, though you may profess this will happen, both the American government and American public would never willingly allow the mass extermination of the second most prominent American sexuality.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

So what you're saying is that, not only does the Bible specifically say that you should follow secular law, but you should put it ahead of the instructions of God? Is there a verse in which this is outlined?

There is scripture that explains exactly how this works: 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7. As I already mentioned to you several times now. Your stupidity is really amazing.

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

Of course we do have proof: Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.

That is not proof. Give me evidence that is physical evidence. Also, do not say the Earth you walk upon or food or anything like that.

[ilovetehjeesus]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

There is scripture that explains exactly how this works: 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7. As I already mentioned to you several times now. Your stupidity is really amazing.

I am fully aware of your attempts at shoving these verses down my throat. What you don't realise is that they did not follow my guidelines.

I suggested, that for your True Christian argument to be infallible, God must specifically say that you must honour the word of man above that of God. Only in that way can you justify not murdering homosexuals in cold blood.

However, in both of the books you suggested, the Bible merely details that you should follow the secular law. It in no way covers how to deal with contradictions. There is no guidance on whether you should listen God or the secular law when the two sources contradict one another, e.g. on the subject of killing gay people.

The reason for this, as evident in several of the passages, is that the Bible assumes that those who are in power are servants of God and therefore are abiding by the rules set by the Bible. Unfortunately for you True Christians, times have changed and the secular law is entirely different to God's teachings. And, since there is no suggestion on whether to abide by God's word or the secular law when such opposition arises, this is clearly a flaw and contradiction in the KJV1611 Bible.

In conclusion, you cannot call yourself a True Christian, whether you slaughter homosexuals or not.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I am fully aware of your attempts at shoving these verses down my throat. What you don't realise is that they did not follow my guidelines.

As so you have guidelines for which parts of the Holy Bible you can ignore. It does not work that way. You have to follow the entire Holy Bible.

Why you need to follow the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

[GOD=life]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

Just thought I would let you know that I was once a Christian.

Your Christianity was not based on fact, but on opinion. You were once a misguided Christian, now you're a misguided atheist: you use the fallacy from incredulity to assert your opinion.

You understand it cannot merely be a paraphrasing of "follow the secular law", ...

You seem to really insist that we go out and kill homersexuals. What's your agenda, friend?

And, though you may profess this will happen, both the American government and American public would never willingly allow the mass extermination of the second most prominent American sexuality.

It is obvious that we would try to convert them to heterosexuality first.

It is scientific fact that homersexuals can turn into functioning heterosexuals if given the proper treatment. With Christ in one's heart, anything is possible! There are some highly-respected people on this very forum who used to be homers. They followed the treatment program and now True Christians. So, yes, it can be done!

[GOD=life]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

What you don't realise is that they did not follow my guidelines.

You're unsaved trash. Why should we hold your guidelines over God's guidelines.

Besides, you're not even American. Why should we let some foreigner from some country we probably rescued in the past dictate to us that we should abandon God in favor of some misguided and unsubstantiated opinion that you probably conjured up during some handrosexual act.

God must specifically say that you must honour the word of man above that of God.

We do not honor the word of man, we honor the law of the land. By doing so, we do exactly what God tells us to do. There is no confusion here.

Only in that way can you justify not murdering homosexuals in cold blood.

If you want to kill them so badly, do it yourself, coward.

In conclusion, you cannot call yourself a True Christian, whether you slaughter homosexuals or not.

But you want us to slaughter homersexuals either way.

[ilovetehjeesus]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

You're unsaved trash. Why should we hold your guidelines over God's guidelines.

These aren't guidelines in relation to religion, they're in relation to logic. The logic I have set out, which is based (if you cared to follow my argument) on sound reasoning pointed out that, for the Bible to not contradict itself, it needed to state that, when God's word and secular law opposed one another, we should follow secular law.

Besides, you're not even American. Why should we let some foreigner from some country we probably rescued in the past dictate to us that we should abandon God in favor of some misguided and unsubstantiated opinion that you probably conjured up during some handrosexual act.

Casual racism aside, it seems like you clearly don't know your history. I won't dignify your ignorant comment with a similar retort.

We do not honor the word of man, we honor the law of the land. By doing so, we do exactly what God tells us to do. There is no confusion here.

Semantics aside, yes there is confusion. God is telling you to kill homosexuals. God is also telling you to follow secular law. Secular law is telling you not to kill homosexuals.

If you cannot honestly see the problem here, then you don't understand the Bible as well as I thought you did.

If you want to kill them so badly, do it yourself, coward.

You know full well that this isn't the point. Stop deflecting and face the issue. I've chosen the topic of homosexuality because it is one of the most evident problems with your version (and that said, most versions) of the Bible. There's no clear path to take as to what to do, and it wouldn't matter whether the topic was about killing homosexuals, suicide, adultery, you name it. Regardless, the contradictions still stand.

But you want us to slaughter homersexuals either way.

It's interesting how you seem to be completely the problem here. There's no well thought out 'GOD=life' argument that I've seen elsewhere. Instead, you're ignoring the argument at hand - that the Bible self-contradicts - and instead you're accusing me of wanting to kill homosexuals. I'm happy to see that I've not only hit a nerve, but hit it hard.

[GOD=life]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

The logic I have set out, which is based on sound reasoning...

I have already demonstrated that you use fallacious reasoning. Secondly, it was news to you that we follow ONLY the KJV 1611 Bible on this forum. If I have to teach you such elementary facts about the Bible, then it's only logical that I don't regard you as an expert on the Bible, particularly when you admittedly haven't read said Bible.

In contrast, our Pastors have done decades of careful research and analysis of God's Word. THEY are the experts regarding the KJV 1611 Bible.

...it needed to state that, when God's word and secular law opposed one another, we should follow secular law.

That would be redundant. The only reason you require such an explicit statement is because you're trying to point out a perceived contradiction, no matter how weak. EVEN if that means enticing people to kill homersexuals.

That doesn't show much integrity or compassion on your side, friend. You want to win this argument so badly that you would risk the lives of people you deem innocent.

Casual racism aside, it seems like you clearly don't know your history.

I know enough history to not make the stupid mistake of confusing nationality with race

Semantics aside, yes there is confusion.

You are the only one who finds it confusing. None of us True Christians find it confusing.

God is telling you to kill homosexuals. God is also telling you to follow secular law. Secular law is telling you not to kill homosexuals.

You are repeating yourself, friend. The reason we do not kill homersexuals is because it's not allowed by secular law, which God teaches us to follow. What should happen is that we should amend secular law to Biblical standards and that's something we're working on.

If you cannot honestly see the problem here, then you don't understand the Bible as well as I thought you did.

Considering that I had to go out of my way to convince you that we follow ONLY the KJV 1611 Bible, I will take your comment in jest

You know full well that this isn't the point.

Can you state then, for the record, that you do NOT want us to kill homersexuals and that you yourself do NOT encourage OR condone the killing of homersexuals in any way as long as secular law does NOT allow it?

Stop deflecting and face the issue.

As soon as you stop telling me to break the law.

I've chosen the topic of homosexuality because it is one of the most evident problems with your version...

No, it's a problem with society.

Regardless, the contradictions still stand.

The contradiction is between your opinion and reality. I see no contradiction here, sorry. God is abundantly clear as always.

It's ironic that you don't even bother to mention the many millions of babies who have been killed since Roe vs. Wade. You have nice priorities, friend.

It's interesting how you seem to be completely the problem here.

I have no doubt that you, as an atheist, have a solution in mind to get rid of this problem and that this final solution involves my violent demise.

Instead, you're ignoring the argument at hand - that the Bible self-contradicts - and instead you're accusing me of wanting to kill homosexuals.

No, because:

1. You keep repeating that the Bible contradicts. If you had a solid argument, you would have had to say it only once. Instead, you keep repeating it, hoping that it will stick. It doesn't.
2. You keep insisting that we should kill homersexuals because not doing so would mean holding the word of man in higher regard than the Word of God. I have argued that we should not kill them. You have argued that we should.

I'm happy to see that I've not only hit a nerve, but hit it hard.

That sounds hateful on your part. Is this where you do the victory dance to the applause of everyone who agrees with you (yourself) and leave? I've seen it time and again that an atheist loses the argument, then proclaims himself the victor and leaves, never to be heard from again.

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

[QUOTE=GOD=life;497274]Your Christianity was not based on fact, but on opinion. You were once a misguided Christian, now you're a misguided atheist: you use the fallacy from incredulity to assert your opinion.[QUOTE]

I am not an athiest. Also, your bible is just an opinion of a bunch of men thousands of years ago in a time where things were very different from today.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I am not an athiest. Also, your bible is just an opinion of a bunch of men thousands of years ago in a time where things were very different from today.

If you aren't an atheist, why do you think God has changed?

I mean, 500 years goes by in a blink to a Being who has always been there since the beginning of time 6000+ years ago.

The Bible clearly says that God never changes and that Jesus Christ is the same today and forever.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I am fully aware of your attempts at shoving these verses down my throat. What you don't realise is that they did not follow my guidelines.

I suggested, that for your True Christian argument to be infallible, God must specifically say that you must honour the word of man above that of God. Only in that way can you justify not murdering homosexuals in cold blood.

However, in both of the books you suggested, the Bible merely details that you should follow the secular law. It in no way covers how to deal with contradictions. There is no guidance on whether you should listen God or the secular law when the two sources contradict one another, e.g. on the subject of killing gay people.

The reason for this, as evident in several of the passages, is that the Bible assumes that those who are in power are servants of God and therefore are abiding by the rules set by the Bible. Unfortunately for you True Christians, times have changed and the secular law is entirely different to God's teachings. And, since there is no suggestion on whether to abide by God's word or the secular law when such opposition arises, this is clearly a flaw and contradiction in the KJV1611 Bible.

In conclusion, you cannot call yourself a True Christian, whether you slaughter homosexuals or not.

Please, provde me a link to your guidelines.
Thank you,
JH, True Christian (tm)