[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Excuse me, 'unbelievers like me' do stuff like murdering people to prove we're right? As far as I know, 'god' and religion are one of the major causes of murders and wars. "oh, you don't think the exact same thing as me? Then I will kill you." There were countless wars all over the world with believing in another god being the only reason. Need an example? There you go, WWII. A quote from "Mein Kampf": "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." This means that Hitler in fact had a religion. So what does this mean? Hitler killed around 6 million jews because of and only because of religion. And you still want to convince me of the fact that people that don't believe in a god murder people because others don't believe, while people that DO believe commited such awful historical things? Please, stop believing that you're somehow better than any other person because you believe in some kind of god.

Hitler was a damned Papist, not a Christian. He worshiped false gods.

And by the way, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

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Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

[Atheus]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

What does this have to do with religion? Religion is about morals and ethics. The only reason unbelievers like you go to such elaborate lengths to prove God doesn't exist so you do stuff you know is wrong like murdering people and having butt sex.

Excuse me, 'unbelievers like me' do stuff like murdering people to prove we're right? As far as I know, 'god' and religion are one of the major causes of murders and wars. "oh, you don't think the exact same thing as me? Then I will kill you." There were countless wars all over the world with believing in another god being the only reason. Need an example? There you go, WWII. A quote from "Mein Kampf": "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." This means that Hitler in fact had a religion. So what does this mean? Hitler killed around 6 million jews because of and only because of religion. And you still want to convince me of the fact that people that don't believe in a god murder people because others don't believe, while people that DO believe commited such awful historical things? Please, stop believing that you're somehow better than any other person because you believe in some kind of god.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

For these reasons I would also like to question why you believe something if there is no prove to it. Let me compare the whole religion idea with a magic trick.

What does this have to do with religion? Religion is about morals and ethics. The only reason unbelievers like you go to such elaborate lengths to prove God doesn't exist so you do stuff you know is wrong like murdering people and having butt sex.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Why do atheists think they can stop people believing in God by displaying their ignorance about the nature of faith to the world (in this case in big red letters).

I've never understood that one.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

I can personally say that I do not obey God and I don't feel like lots of bad things happen to me. I am happy with my life as it is and I'm sure it will not get better by changing my mind.

"The evidence for God is the Bible" I strongly disagree with this, because there is too much about that book to be questioned. at first, since it has been translated in many languages, many times, one can never actually say what is meant by the original texts. You can't simply translate something if you don't know every single meaning of a sentence and this is impossible with a book as the bible since it can be interpetated in many ways. Second thing I'd like to say about it, is, how do you know that the bible is not just written by some kind of mormon who just wanted to say some crazy things. Adolf Hitler wrote a book, and it became popular to many people. What if I personally go out on the streets tomorrow, running around, yelling I am the son of God? Would you believe me now? You wouldn't would you, why would you believe someone who did it 2012 years ago? It's not that hard to convince someone who is ignorant if you add some nice words to it.

For these reasons I would also like to question why you believe something if there is no prove to it. Let me compare the whole religion idea with a magic trick. I am holding a deck of cards and allow you to pick one. After you did this, I tell you which one it is, while I haven't seen the card. You might be wondering how I knew that. I tell you it's "magic". It's not very convincing, since you know I'm just a normal person. You know I can't do magic, so you will not believe me. But exactly the opposite is what you do by believing in a God. Someone tells you there is a God, and you believe them just because you don't know the answer. I do not know many things but I am not making things up to get the answer. I am not believing it is "magic" just because I don't know what the answer exactly is.

tl;dr

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

One should never just obey something, there is always something to be questioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your god allow us to have a free will? Since I haven't seen any form of evidence that there may be a higher power, please try to convince me with something that makes sense.

Yes, we have free will.

Think of it this way:

You can choose to obey the speed limit, or you can choose to recklessly speed through a residential neighborhood at 100MPH. Yes?

And if you are caught doing so, you will get a ticket, or perhaps have your driver's license taken away. These are the consequences of your freely-chosen actions.

God presented His Law in the Bible. You can choose to obey it or not.

If you choose not to obey it, God WILL catch you. There's no "if". He knows what you will do before you decide, since He knows the future.

The consequence for disobedience is an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire. .

Understand now?

I was arguing about adultery and about 'good' and 'evil' in principle. I tried to show, that adultery - seen as evil - is not really evil depending on the viewpoint.

Your unending hypothetical philosophizing is meaningless.

Good: Obedience to God.

Evil: Disobedience to God.

That's it. The only "good" that a human can do is to obey God. The only "evil" is to disobey God.

The constructs you're jabbering about are flawed human relativism, having nothing whatsoever to do with God's objective morality. And your jabbering has not yet provided "absolute proof that God does not exist", which is the subject of this thread.

I can personally say that I do not obey God and I don't feel like lots of bad things happen to me. I am happy with my life as it is and I'm sure it will not get better by changing my mind.

Spending eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire for disobeying Him may be a bit of a disappointment for you, but it is your own choice.

[Atheus]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Of course you should obey God.

The evidence for God is the Bible and it's totally consistent with the message that when people disobey God bad things happen.

I can personally say that I do not obey God and I don't feel like lots of bad things happen to me. I am happy with my life as it is and I'm sure it will not get better by changing my mind.

"The evidence for God is the Bible" I strongly disagree with this, because there is too much about that book to be questioned. at first, since it has been translated in many languages, many times, one can never actually say what is meant by the original texts. You can't simply translate something if you don't know every single meaning of a sentence and this is impossible with a book as the bible since it can be interpetated in many ways. Second thing I'd like to say about it, is, how do you know that the bible is not just written by some kind of moron who just wanted to say some crazy things. Adolf Hitler wrote a book, and it became popular to many people. What if I personally go out on the streets tomorrow, running around, yelling I am the son of God? Would you believe me now? You wouldn't would you, why would you believe someone who did it 2012 years ago? It's not that hard to convince someone who is ignorant if you add some nice words to it.

For these reasons I would also like to question why you believe something if there is no prove to it. Let me compare the whole religion idea with a magic trick. I am holding a deck of cards and allow you to pick one. After you did this, I tell you which one it is, while I haven't seen the card. You might be wondering how I knew that. I tell you it's "magic". It's not very convincing, since you know I'm just a normal person. You know I can't do magic, so you will not believe me. But exactly the opposite is what you do by believing in a God. Someone tells you there is a God, and you believe them just because you don't know the answer. I do not know many things but I am not making things up to get the answer. I am not believing it is "magic" just because I don't know what the answer exactly is.

[Didymus Much]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

...whatever...

Can the admins PLEASE disable Tom's fonts and colours somehow?

It's painful enough already trying to decipher what point he's trying to make.

Tom: more proof of God's non-existence, less pointless gum flapping, kk? That's what this thread is here for, after all.

[Noah Sole]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

What miracles DOES poor dead Jesus currently perform?
I have no proof he performed any miracles even those
mentioned in the bible. Oh, the walking on water is an easy
one to perform, didn't you know? Even I could do that one
if I was so inclined. It's called being slight of foot.
Can I make myself invisible? Yup, go behind a curtain or
into the next room.
You say Jesus has made himself invisible for thousands of
years. TC when your corpse is rotting (in JCs case rotted)
in a grave, you are invisible to sight because you are
elsewhere, with the worms.
I disagree that a mortal human has not accomplished the same
feat. Every human who has died since Jesus' died has done
exactly that - they are invisible to the naked eye of a currently
living human being - same thing. . Can you prove that Zeus or Thor do not exist? Please do. We'll
use the same method to prove your god does not exist. It should be
easy once you show us how. Especially if he was intending to impregnate
a virgin, chuckle.
In fact, weren't there "many" children born of
and from, the Gods?

Tom
Writing in BIG PURPLE LETTERS was pretty rubbish, writing in red with lines under it is even worse.

We're still waiting for your proof, not evidence of your ability to work with fonts (not the baptismal type).

All the best

[tom kinight]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

What miracles DOES poor dead Jesus currently perform?
I have no proof he performed any miracles even those
mentioned in the bible. Oh, the walking on water is an easy
one to perform, didn't you know? Even I could do that one
if I was so inclined. It's called being slight of foot.
Can I make myself invisible? Yup, go behind a curtain or
into the next room.
You say Jesus has made himself invisible for thousands of
years. TC when your corpse is rotting (in JCs case rotted)
in a grave, you are invisible to sight because you are
elsewhere, with the worms.
I disagree that a mortal human has not accomplished the same
feat. Every human who has died since Jesus' died has done
exactly that - they are invisible to the naked eye of a currently
living human being - same thing. . Can you prove that Zeus or Thor do not exist? Please do. We'll
use the same method to prove your god does not exist. It should be
easy once you show us how. Especially if he was intending to impregnate
a virgin, chuckle.
In fact, weren't there "many" children born of
and from, the Gods?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Tom, Logo, I am with you. I am still amazed by the extraordanary ideas you people are having about the world. At first I would like to respond to the last post.



One should never just obey something, there is always something to be questioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your god allow us to have a free will? Since I haven't seen any form of evidence that there may be a higher power, please try to convince me with something that makes sense.

Of course you should obey God.

The evidence for God is the Bible and it's totally consistent with the message that when people disobey God bad things happen.

[loco73]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Wait: you're a Mormon????



Also: please ask your secular biology teacher to explain to you that even in as little as, say, 10 generations of a reasonably-sized spawn-pool , a monogamous pairing system ensures (practically) limitless diversity.

(As always, I'm always astonished when I have to explain the "science" that Jesus-haters use against us, but hey.)

YiC,

Zech

I was arguing about adultery and about 'good' and 'evil' in principle. I tried to show, that adultery - seen as evil - is not really evil depending on the viewpoint. I can find reasons why it can be good. It provides more genetic diversity. Again: I don't say there is no good or evil. I say, good and evil are not absolute values. They depend on the person and on the system, they're into.
It's just the group, which decides and defines the values, no matter how small or large that group may be. If there are no absolute values, there is also no God and no devil, as they are personifications of the absolute 'good' and the absolute 'evil'.
What was the war in Iraq? Good or evil? It was really evil for some iraqi childeren, when bombed by some of America's 'liberation bombs' and 'peace troups' (what a word!). But is was also good for the average US-oil worker. If US-companies get access to all the oil, the children of these workers and of many other industries will have a better life and will maybe not have to move into slums, because 'daddy' gets a job. But all on the expense of iraqi. So, there is no way out. It's neither good nor evil. It just IS. And both are not less valuable. No matter how you turn that around, you would always hurt someone. If one gets the oil, the other one doesn't.

[piratespazz]

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Why would you write such a vile, nasty and malicious lie? I hope you will take the time and educated yourself because you just come across as a foulmouthed oddball who is lacking intelligence. More and more people know YOU Southerners ARE SHAME FOR AMERICA

Why Thomas, what an ugly thing to say.

I hope you will take the time and “educated” yourself?

Matthew 5:38-40
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

I am a Southerner but it will be up to God to judge your blasphemous dark soul as he sees fit.

[Atheus]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Tom, Logo, I am with you. I am still amazed by the extraordanary ideas you people are having about the world. At first I would like to respond to the last post.

It is for us to obey, not to question. That's the entire point of Christianity.

One should never just obey something, there is always something to be questioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your god allow us to have a free will? Since I haven't seen any form of evidence that there may be a higher power, please try to convince me with something that makes sense.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

But if one man has children with many women (married or not), this will provide survival of the species.

So?

First of all, polygamy (one man, multiple wives) is perfectly acceptable from a Biblical standpoint. Check out how many wives Solomon had.

Second, what makes you think God cares one whit about what "provides genetic diversity" in deciding what is good and what is evil?

Once again, you are trying to apply your flawed humanist "logic" to God.

God knows ALL. He bases His Plan upon whatever HE determines to be most important. Or what pleases Him.

It is for us to obey, not to question. That's the entire point of Christianity.