[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Nope. I'm talking about events that actually happened.

Friend,

We have documental evidence of the Flood. What is your source please?

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Before you rattle on anymore about your ignorance of God's Holy Word, you might want to take a look at THIS thread, pal.

Looks like a meteoritic iron to me. And it's probably not from Cretaceous period - it was found in a loose nodule not attached to the main layer.

Also, FeO is a black powder, which is easily scraped with a fingernail. You can also easily grind it into very fine particles (and you can actually make black ink from it). So it's not a good component for coating for a hammer - it will be quickly destroyed when the hammer is used.

It's also unstable and quickly oxidizes to ferric oxide (common rust) even without presence of moisture (in labs it must be stored in sealed cans).

It's possible, though, that it was formed during fossililization in a highly reducing environment under pressure.

So I don't really see anything science-shattering. Try again.

PS: Yes, I'm a chemist specialized in biochemistry.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

We have documental evidence of the Flood. What is your source please?

Sorry, but you don't.

Because in this case we also have a documentary evidence of:
1) Hydrogen bombardment of the Earth in the past (Scientologists also have a documentary evidence, right?)
2) Creation of the Earth from a lotus flower by Brahma.
3) Creation of the Earth from Izanagi's spear (Shinto).
...

The Bible is NOT a documentary evidence. It's a great book, sure. But not a documentary...

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Sorry, but you don't.

Because in this case we also have a documentary evidence of:
1) Hydrogen bombardment of the Earth in the past (Scientologists also have a documentary evidence, right?)
2) Creation of the Earth from a lotus flower by Brahma.
3) Creation of the Earth from Izanagi's spear (Shinto).
...

The Bible is NOT a documentary evidence. It's a great book, sure. But not a documentary...

I don't know... great is a pretty strong adjective. I think of it more as a good night time story book.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

I love the hard scientific facts these atheists provide.

Well, yes. We have a corroborating evidence of fossil record and "DNA clock" record. We can now directly analyze the whole DNA sequences of different species and directly search for relationships and common ancestors.

For example, you yourself carry decayed and inactive genes which encoded egg proteins in our very far reptile ancestors.

So far, fossil record is in complete agreement with the DNA record.



I always wanted to know why do fundamental Christians so hate evolution? Creationism proponents consistently show complete ignorance of biology and evolution theory. Evolution theory it completely compatible with religious believes if you admit the possibility that the evolution was guided by the God.

[Nobar King]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

For example, you yourself carry decayed and inactive genes which encoded egg proteins in our very far reptile ancestors.

That's a pretty tall claim.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Looks like a meteoritic iron to me. And it's probably not from Cretaceous period - it was found in a loose nodule not attached to the main layer.

PS: Yes, I'm a chemist specialized in biochemistry.

It's a hammer made by human beings with a wooden handle! How can it be 5 bazillion years old!! Your joo professors have brainwashed you and filled your head with crazy lies!

You need to answer THESE questions pal, and recognize that God made everything. That's the only reasonable explanation.

Also, I'd like to offer you THIS Chick Tract on the subject of atheism. I pray that Jack Chick's Godly drawings and commentary will help you open your heart to Christ.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

That's a pretty tall claim.

??
No, it's a fact.

Read here: http://biology.plosjournals.org/perl...o.0060063&ct=1 from the words "VIT Gene Remnants in Placental Mammals".

We also have in our genomes TONS of other remnants of old genes for functions lost or unnecessary in mammals.

For example, ferments are biological catalysts. They typically increase reaction speeds by factors of more than 1000. However, ferments are usually _extremely_ sensitive to temperature changes - they can tolerate only about 10C temperature difference.

That's why cold-blooded animals usually have in their DNA several different versions of one ferment, each version for a specific temperature range. AFAIR, frogs have about 20 versions of ATPase (a ferment crucial for cell functioning) for different temperatures.

However, mammals are warm-blooded, our interior is always at nearly the same temperature and all these extra versions of ferments are unnecessary. And so then they became slowly decay from generation to generation from the time our ancestors acquired warm blood.

However, we still can find a lot of remnants of these genes - they are irreparably damaged and inactive. But we still can use them to confirm that somewhere in the past our ancestors were cold-blooded.

[Cyberax]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

It's a hammer made by human beings with a wooden handle! How can it be 5 bazillion years old!! Your joo professors have brainwashed you and filled your head with crazy lies!

Once again: this hammer IS PROBABLY NOT from Crestacene - it was found in A LOOSE NODULE. It's entirely possible that a prehistoric man dropped it into a karst sinkhole (which can sometimes be hundreds of meters deep).

BTW, it's indirectly proven by the fact the this hammer was found near calcite strata - the usual mineral for karst terrains.

You need to answer THESE questions pal, and recognize that God made everything. That's the only reasonable explanation.

I can answer these questions. I don't see anything unusual or world-shattering in them.

However, I will ask you to answer MY questions in return.

Agreed?

Also, I'd like to offer you THIS Chick Tract on the subject of atheism. I pray that Jack Chick's Godly drawings and commentary will help you open your heart to Christ.

A common BS from a someone who doesn't understand evolution.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Sorry, but you don't.

Because in this case we also have a documentary evidence of:
1) Hydrogen bombardment of the Earth in the past (Scientologists also have a documentary evidence, right?)
2) Creation of the Earth from a lotus flower by Brahma.
3) Creation of the Earth from Izanagi's spear (Shinto).
...

The Bible is NOT a documentary evidence. It's a great book, sure. But not a documentary...

Now friend, don't you Darwinist always argue that best supported theory is the most likely to have happened. Sure, the Bible appears to have some minor soft spots (though as a True Christian I contest that), but it still is a document that is accept by at lest 60% of the American population. Can you show any such document for your theory?

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Pastor Ezekiel, I'm surprised you're trying to use the hammer as evidence. Its been long debunked. It had been carbon dated and found to be at the most 700 yrs old. Also since it was loose nodule sitting on surface, there is not evidence to connect it with the local bedrock. You can find many excellent articles on the hammer that show why, on its own, it lacks the evidence to support the anti-evolution claims and also how the testing allowed verifies the conclusion drawn from visual inspection. Here is one example article.

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/hammer.htm

Also, your list of questions is a very poor attempt to disprove evolution. I would recommend that you do the research using reputable resources such as scholarly papers from respectable peer review journals to answer all of these questions yourself. It would take me far too long to explain and educate you on Evolution, Abiogenesis, Physics, Geology, Genetics, and other sciences. This board is not a science class and it is not my responsibility to do the foot work you should do before you make unsupported assertions like this. I will go as far as to say that there is an astounding amount of evidence in the science I mentioned to support the slow natural process from simple to complex. Your assertion is that something complex was created by something even more complex which you have no supporting evidence for but you accept as true. That is circular reasoning and like shooting yourself in the proverbial foot.

Well, that enough for now since this is my first post!

~Atomic Chimp

[Talitha]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

>>>>Blah Blah Blah<<<<

Well, that enough for now since this is my first post!

~Atomic Chimp

I suggest you use your second post in the Introduction Forum.
Tell us what you know of Jesus.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

I would recommend that you do the research using reputable resources such as scholarly papers from respectable peer review journals to answer all of these questions yourself.

Yes, why not read a bunch of atheists prattle on and support each other in making stuff up to try and drive a wedge between humanity and God?
No thank you. The Bible has lasted millennia without nonsense like "peer review" as the Lord has no peer, and none of it has ever been proved wrong.

[Atomic Chimp]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Yes, why not read a bunch of atheists prattle on and support each other in making stuff up to try and drive a wedge between humanity and God?
No thank you. The Bible has lasted millennia without nonsense like "peer review" as the Lord has no peer, and none of it has ever been proved wrong.

Mary and Talitha, I have read and still read the bible. I understand it very well since I grew up Christian and served the church until I was college age. I would like to see your evidence to support the assertion that the bible you read is the word of your god. As for your assertion that "...none of it has ever been proved wrong.", have you read your own bible without your Christian goggles?! There are many errors in the bible. I would like an explanation of the why it contradicts itself in certain parts, it preaches things we would consider to be cruel and morally incorrect and contains passages that are historically incorrect. If you want a starter for where its incorrect, please show me the historical evidence Moses and the events that are connected to him took place. This will be difficult since Egyptian history shows this to be incorrect and the lack of archaeological evidence that should have been left behind by a large group of people who spent 30 years in the desert. I think you and I differ in one specific way, When I read something whether its scientific, or religious in nature, I don't believe it immediately, I do research myself to either confirm or refute the claims I've read. As new information is found, I do the process all over again. I do this to assure the information I accept is correct. I don't trust something just because I'm told so. This is how all science works and that is why it has been the most successful method of learning we've found.

As for the information I spoke of being atheists prattle, you are incorrect. The information I speak of comes from the same scholarly sources that we use for medicine, computer sciences, etc. If you doubt these sources or methods of learning please stop using your computer or visiting you local doctor because (to name a few) it all is just atheist nonsense. As a matter of fact definitely forget about modern medicine since its built on evolutionary sciences. Who needs something that was developed from this eviloution nonsense. Next time you're very sick if you really believe evolution and the sciences are wrong, and you have such faith in your religion, just go directly to church and pray to get well. I'll warn you though, the last time I heard about a persons religion getting in the way of proper medical treatment in America, the poor boy died.

Also, I don't understand why you think it drives a wedge between Humanity and god. I know many very religious people and scientists who find no problem accepting evolution and god together.

Word is bond!
~Atomic Chimp

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

Blah blah blah. I'm sorry, but I see no point in reading all of that. You're just trying to turn me away from my salvation, and it's not going to work. I love God, I know He's real, and that's that.