[Lisa H]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

Thank you for atleast attempting to have a snesible debate/arguement.
Unfortunately.. you did not do to well.

1. Using quotes from the book that is in question really, really, doesn't work I'm sorry.

2. Lack of evidence

3. See 2

4. Dinosaur fossils are remains of dinosaurs.
These dinosaurs roamed the earth before it was supposedly created by god.

I would say nice try, but it really wasn't.

Goodnight! Don't let jesus bite!

You are just mocking the Lord. All the points I answered are valid and correct. You do realize Plant of the Apes was just a movie series.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

1. How do you know god wrote it? By the rubbish written in there I think a drunken pirate may have written it What proof do you have that god wrote the bible?

It is written in our hearts God wrote The Bible. Atheists like you lie and refuse to admit you know it to.

2. First of all you spelt 'evolution' wrong, stupid illiterate fool
Evolution has been proved, you are wrong, get over it.
Only one species of apes evolved into what are now modern day humans, not all of them.

Question invalidated by personal attack.

3. So rather than a logical, somewhat extreme but true theory (The Big Bang) you believe that someone created the universe and everything in six days? Sorry but thats hilarious.

You do know a Catholic priest came up with The Big Bang theory and Einstein never accepted it.

In six days I couldn't even finish 'Oblivion' on xbox 360, let alone make everything in the universe.

Time as we perceive it only happens this way on the surface of the Earth. See the Theory of Relativity.

4. Ever heard of fossils? You know proof of dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs are in The Bible. There is a theory Jesus worked on a dinosaur ranch at one point in His life before His public ministry.

Oh wait, no of course you haven't, you've never left your cave of ignorance..

as for you, you think walking into the darkness at the end of the cave is leaving it.

Seriously dude, learn your own stuff before pointing fingers at others. The arrogance of blatantly ignorant people like you is insufferable. It's one thing to become an atheist because of some lifetime journey, God may forgive that, but because you are to lazy to find it out is just pathetic.

[Dingleberry]

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You are just mocking the Lord. All the points I answered are valid and correct. You do realize Plant of the Apes was just a movie series.

I have never seen that movie, is it good?
Just saying 'Because god made it so' and 'It just is' etc are not decent enough.

It is written in our hearts God wrote The Bible. Atheists like you lie and refuse to admit you know it to.


Question invalidated by personal attack.


You do know a Catholic priest came up with The Big Bang theory and Einstein never accepted it.

Time as we perceive it only happens this way on the surface of the Earth. See the Theory of Relativity.

Dinosaurs are in The Bible. There is a theory Jesus worked on a dinosaur ranch at one point in His life before His public ministry.

as for you, you think walking into the darkness at the end of the cave is leaving it.

Seriously dude, learn your own stuff before pointing fingers at others. The arrogance of blatantly ignorant people like you is insufferable. It's one thing to become an atheist because of some lifetime journey, God may forgive that, but because you are to lazy to find it out is just pathetic.

THANK YOU

Honestly thank you very much, really I mean it.

1. My heart pumps blood around my body.
It doesn't keep hidden secrets about books I'm sorry.

2. I apolagise, it's just when people say evil-ution I get annoyed.
Whats wrong with evolution? It means that someday us humans may evolve to be smart/strong enough to actually be something great.

3. So what? Not every scientist has to agree to a theory.

Here's some information about the big bang, I did not write it, I am just using it:

"Scientist do have an explanation as to how the world was created, and there is more than ample evidence to back it up. It does not involve God at all. Alien has more or less said it all, but here's a condensed version, and the evidence.

*The Universe came into existence 13.7 billion years ago. There was literally nothing beforehand, no time, even. The concept of "before" the big bang makes no sense. The physics is exceedingly complicated, but let's move on.

*Stars formed from matter created in the big bang, and supernova explosions from the larger stars created heavier elements. Some of these elements were lying around in a big gas cloud, which collapsed under its own gravity (probably triggered by the gravity wave of a nearby supernova explosion). As it collapsed, heavier elements condensed to form the planets (including Earth), whilst hydrogen gas collected to form the sun. The sun got so hot that nuclear fusion commenced, generating heat and light.

That is, more or less, how the solar system an the Earth was created.

The evidence:
* Hubble predicted using some very complex physics I won't go into, that were the universe to be created like this, then most of the gas in space should be roughly 75% hydrogen and 25% helium, ignoring Traceelements. It is.
*The COBE satellite has detected cosmic background radiation of the same frequency as scientists predicted would be the case.
*We can observe the universe expanding and it must therefore have existed originally at a single point.
*Here on earth, we can use the decay of uranium samples to measure the date of certain rocks. Our oldest ones are roughly 4.6 billion years old. Other measurements, such as the size of the sun, also support the idea that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old.
We also have fossils, genetic evidence, and the like...I could go on for ages.

Essentially, the formation of the earth and evolution is one of the best supported scinetific theories (note: a theory in science does NOT mean a guess...it means it is supported with evidence and experiments. A hypothesis is a guess) in existence. How anyone could possibly doubt the evidence I don't know. "

4. But dinosaurs roamed the earth for many many millions of years, much longer than god had created the earth, supposedly.
So how does that work out?

By the way, heres some more stuff I've found:

"I am sure you know this but I will still note that, the bible is nothing more than fiction, it has no basis in science and can only be comprehended through faith ( faith being the one thing able to explain the unexplainable) The Human race is known to be at least, 6 million yrs old, though 10 million is likely. Creationism is just a DESIGN to fit with the understanding of its bronze age authors, people that had no way of explaining their own or the universes existence, thus God did it??? Creationism is easily flawed in every sense and the only reason it still survives is because without the creation story of Adam and Eve and the first original sin, there would be no need for the Atonement of Jesus, thus Christianity as a whole would become unnecessary!!"


I am not just trying to annoy you people, believe me. I value faith.
But if you are trying to persuade someone to become religious then you will need some facts, not just saying that "If you don't you will go to hell!". that doesn't work anymore, people aren't scared.

[Dr. Zaius]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

Did someone mention Planet of the Apes?

[A Follower]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

I have never seen that movie, is it good?
Just saying 'Because god made it so' and 'It just is' etc are not decent enough.



THANK YOU

Honestly thank you very much, really I mean it.

1. My heart pumps blood around my body.
It doesn't keep hidden secrets about books I'm sorry.

Have you ever considered reading the Bible? You make a bunch of assertions but without any evidence to back this up your assertions are worthless.

2. I apolagise, it's just when people say evil-ution I get annoyed.
Whats wrong with evolution? It means that someday us humans may evolve to be smart/strong enough to actually be something great.

What's wrong with evolution is that Darwin is trying to steal the glory God deserves.

Besides, evolution doesn't create something great, smart or string, it creates bland efficiency. If evolution caused intelligence every being on earth would be intelligent. If evolution caused strength every being would be strong. If evolution were true every creature would be equally able to do something great. Reality is the exact opposite, only a few chosen species are strong, the rest are weak. Only one species is intelligent, the rest are just dumb animals and plants.

Fact is: greatness requires moral behavior which is not required/created/caused by evolution. Morals come from the Bible. They can only come from the Bible (or directly from God) because only God is wise enough to know what is good for us.

Does your dog know not to shit on the floor? How does it know? Because you taught it. Not because the dog is evolved to know it's improper to shit on the floor, but because a more intelligent being used punishment and enticement to teach the dog proper behavior. God teaches us the same way, if we do as He tells us to He rewards us with Heaven. If we disobey we get smitten and burn in Hell.

3. So what? Not every scientist has to agree to a theory.

Why not, aren't you and scientists claiming that there is sufficient evidence for their theories? If different scientists hold different theories than the evidence for both is obviously insufficient and wrong. It's either that or scientists lie about needing evidence, and what they believe is no more than a believe.

Here's some information about the big bang, I did not write it, I am just using it:

You copied and pasted something found on the internet... Wow, good for you. What made you choose this particular text from the internet? You could have copied an internet site that claims the universe is created by aliens, or that the universe is just a figment of the imagination, or that the universe is a simulation running on someone's computer. Did you actually verify any of it? Or is the author known to be infallible? Could you point out who the author is? And what miracles he has performed?

Compare this to the author of the Bible: God who is proven to be infallible, who is proven to have the capability to do all that is attributed to Him, who is proven to have performed miracles.

"Scientist do have an explanation as to how the world was created, and there is more than ample evidence to back it up. It does not involve God at all. Alien has more or less said it all, but here's a condensed version, and the evidence.

"More than ample evidence", why is none of that evidence provided here?

*The Universe came into existence 13.7 billion years ago. There was literally nothing beforehand, no time, even. The concept of "before" the big bang makes no sense. The physics is exceedingly complicated, but let's move on.

If there was no time, than no change is possible, so the big bang could not have happened. Also making a claim and then stating the physics is too complicated to explain makes the claim worthless. Either your claim is backed up by evidence or you just made this nonsense up.

*Stars formed from matter created in the big bang, and supernova explosions from the larger stars created heavier elements. Some of these elements were lying around in a big gas cloud, which collapsed under its own gravity (probably triggered by the gravity wave of a nearby supernova explosion). As it collapsed, heavier elements condensed to form the planets (including Earth), whilst hydrogen gas collected to form the sun. The sun got so hot that nuclear fusion commenced, generating heat and light.

So for a star to form there needs to be an exploding star beforehand. Where does the first star come from? And what causes gravity waves? You do know explosions don't cause gravity waves right?

That is, more or less, how the solar system an the Earth was created.

No it's not.

The evidence:
* Hubble predicted using some very complex physics I won't go into, that were the universe to be created like this, then most of the gas in space should be roughly 75% hydrogen and 25% helium, ignoring Traceelements. It is.

Really, you are once again refusing to provide evidence for your theories?

And how did mr. Hubble predict this, did he by any chance first look at space and then decide to make a theory that matched what he saw? As I understand it that is the normal way for scientists to create theories, they look at the world, make some stuff up about what it is and proclaim it to be truth. And was this 75% hydrogen 25% helium mixture ever verified to exist? Have scientists gone across space to see what is out there? And what about black matter? Aren't scientists claiming that 75% of the universe is made out of matter that is not regular matter? Doesn't that make mr. Hubble wrong? Or do you scientists simply create so many conflicting theories that it is impossible to verify that veracity of them all?

*The COBE satellite has detected cosmic background radiation of the same frequency as scientists predicted would be the case.

Really? How do we verify this claim? Is there any evidence to suggest that the readings this satellite sends to earth were not preconcocted so they would match the silly little theory?

*We can observe the universe expanding and it must therefore have existed originally at a single point.

Really? If my car is observed driving 50 mph does that proof that 1 billion years ago it was located 50 billion miles away? Second scientists have not proven the universe to be expanding. Nor do they know where the center of the universe is, even though if it were really expanding there should be more matter at the center than the edges.

*Here on earth, we can use the decay of uranium samples to measure the date of certain rocks. Our oldest ones are roughly 4.6 billion years old. Other measurements, such as the size of the sun, also support the idea that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old.

Provided that the relation between radioactive and non-radioactive uranium and its decay-products has been exactly the same for those 4.6 billion years. (Hint: even the turning of the earth changes decay rates of isotopes). Before this theory can even be tested all the assumption it makes before it even predicts a single thing have to be verified, which just by total coincidence happens to be impossible. This whole idea is based on quicksand.

We also have fossils, genetic evidence, and the like...I could go on for ages.

And what do fossils proof? And what does genetic evidence proof? Ever heard of the saying "don't invent the wheel a second time"? If evolution were random there would be nothing to stop it from reinvinting the wheel all the time. Only an intelligent being will reuse prior inventions. A plant and a dog both having DNA simply proves that someone of very high intelligence didn't want to do double work and decided to use DNA both in plants and in dogs, despite the huge difference between those species.

Essentially, the formation of the earth and evolution is one of the best supported scinetific theories (note: a theory in science does NOT mean a guess...it means it is supported with evidence and experiments. A hypothesis is a guess) in existence. How anyone could possibly doubt the evidence I don't know. "

The formation of earth and evolution is one theory?

And it is supported by evidence and experiments?

Lies!

No scientist has ever verified evolution in an experiment. No scientist has ever managed to take a monkey and turn it into a human. No scientist has ever managed to take some gas and turn it into a sun and an earth and a moon. Scientists will even claim such experiments are impossible, proving once again that scientists do not have any evidence for their claims. It also proves that God did create earth, because if humans can't do it then it must have been created by someone far more powerful and intelligent: God.

4. But dinosaurs roamed the earth for many many millions of years, much longer than god had created the earth, supposedly.
So how does that work out?

It works out through the word "supposedly". It never happened the way scientists describe it, but they think to confuse us by sneaking in the word supposedly. The Bible tells us all about dinosaurs no more than a few thousand years ago, well after God created earth, so it all works out splendidly in reality.

By the way, heres some more stuff I've found:

Is it as useless as the previous nutcase conspiracy theory you lifted from some random idiot's webpage?

"I am sure you know this but I will still note that, the bible is nothing more than fiction, it has no basis in science and can only be comprehended through faith ( faith being the one thing able to explain the unexplainable) The Human race is known to be at least, 6 million yrs old, though 10 million is likely. Creationism is just a DESIGN to fit with the understanding of its bronze age authors, people that had no way of explaining their own or the universes existence, thus God did it??? Creationism is easily flawed in every sense and the only reason it still survives is because without the creation story of Adam and Eve and the first original sin, there would be no need for the Atonement of Jesus, thus Christianity as a whole would become unnecessary!!"

Yes, it is as useless. It makes an assertion about the human race being 6 to 10 million years old with no evidence and uses that unfounded assertion to claim God is a liar. That's not how logic works dumbass. By the way, funny how you scientists can be accurate to the year when it comes to the creation of the universe (which can't be verified) but leave yourself lots of leeway when you are dealing with things that regular people can verify (and you guys still get it wrong).

I am not just trying to annoy you people, believe me. I value faith.
But if you are trying to persuade someone to become religious then you will need some facts, not just saying that "If you don't you will go to hell!". that doesn't work anymore, people aren't scared.

You "value" faith? How high do you value it? Not very high if you are willing to risk an eternity of suffering... Son, you need to read the Bible and get yourself baptized.

Have you ever heard of "game theory"? It's a little something scientists have come up with and it says how to behave based on the chance of future reward. Even if you as a heathen atheist believe you're 99.999% sure there is no afterlife and no risk of being smitten by God in this life that leaves still 0.0001% chance of a one way ticket to Hell, the cost of which easily offsets the supposed gain of spending your days in this life seeking out Christian communities on the internet and harassing them. Yes, even science tells you to become a True Christian™! Praise God!

[Lisa H]

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I have never seen that movie, is it good?
Just saying 'Because god made it so' and 'It just is' etc are not decent enough.

So we cannot believe in the Lord because you dingleberry say we cannot. Therefore your word is good enough proof for you.

I am surprised you have not watched Planet of the Apes. It is what you evolutionists believe in.

[Dingleberry]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

Have you ever considered reading the Bible? You make a bunch of assertions but without any evidence to back this up your assertions are worthless.What's wrong with evolution is that Darwin is trying to steal the glory God deserves.

Besides, evolution doesn't create something great, smart or string, it creates bland efficiency. If evolution caused intelligence every being on earth would be intelligent. If evolution caused strength every being would be strong. If evolution were true every creature would be equally able to do something great. Reality is the exact opposite, only a few chosen species are strong, the rest are weak. Only one species is intelligent, the rest are just dumb animals and plants.

Fact is: greatness requires moral behavior which is not required/created/caused by evolution. Morals come from the Bible. They can only come from the Bible (or directly from God) because only God is wise enough to know what is good for us.

Does your dog know not to shit on the floor? How does it know? Because you taught it. Not because the dog is evolved to know it's improper to shit on the floor, but because a more intelligent being used punishment and enticement to teach the dog proper behavior. God teaches us the same way, if we do as He tells us to He rewards us with Heaven. If we disobey we get smitten and burn in Hell.
Why not, aren't you and scientists claiming that there is sufficient evidence for their theories? If different scientists hold different theories than the evidence for both is obviously insufficient and wrong. It's either that or scientists lie about needing evidence, and what they believe is no more than a believe.You copied and pasted something found on the internet... Wow, good for you. What made you choose this particular text from the internet? You could have copied an internet site that claims the universe is created by aliens, or that the universe is just a figment of the imagination, or that the universe is a simulation running on someone's computer. Did you actually verify any of it? Or is the author known to be infallible? Could you point out who the author is? And what miracles he has performed?

Compare this to the author of the Bible: God who is proven to be infallible, who is proven to have the capability to do all that is attributed to Him, who is proven to have performed miracles.
"More than ample evidence", why is none of that evidence provided here?If there was no time, than no change is possible, so the big bang could not have happened. Also making a claim and then stating the physics is too complicated to explain makes the claim worthless. Either your claim is backed up by evidence or you just made this nonsense up.So for a star to form there needs to be an exploding star beforehand. Where does the first star come from? And what causes gravity waves? You do know explosions don't cause gravity waves right?No it's not.Really, you are once again refusing to provide evidence for your theories?

And how did mr. Hubble predict this, did he by any chance first look at space and then decide to make a theory that matched what he saw? As I understand it that is the normal way for scientists to create theories, they look at the world, make some stuff up about what it is and proclaim it to be truth. And was this 75% hydrogen 25% helium mixture ever verified to exist? Have scientists gone across space to see what is out there? And what about black matter? Aren't scientists claiming that 75% of the universe is made out of matter that is not regular matter? Doesn't that make mr. Hubble wrong? Or do you scientists simply create so many conflicting theories that it is impossible to verify that veracity of them all?
Really? How do we verify this claim? Is there any evidence to suggest that the readings this satellite sends to earth were not preconcocted so they would match the silly little theory?Really? If my car is observed driving 50 mph does that proof that 1 billion years ago it was located 50 billion miles away? Second scientists have not proven the universe to be expanding. Nor do they know where the center of the universe is, even though if it were really expanding there should be more matter at the center than the edges.Provided that the relation between radioactive and non-radioactive uranium and its decay-products has been exactly the same for those 4.6 billion years. (Hint: even the turning of the earth changes decay rates of isotopes). Before this theory can even be tested all the assumption it makes before it even predicts a single thing have to be verified, which just by total coincidence happens to be impossible. This whole idea is based on quicksand.And what do fossils proof? And what does genetic evidence proof? Ever heard of the saying "don't invent the wheel a second time"? If evolution were random there would be nothing to stop it from reinvinting the wheel all the time. Only an intelligent being will reuse prior inventions. A plant and a dog both having DNA simply proves that someone of very high intelligence didn't want to do double work and decided to use DNA both in plants and in dogs, despite the huge difference between those species.The formation of earth and evolution is one theory?

And it is supported by evidence and experiments?

Lies!

No scientist has ever verified evolution in an experiment. No scientist has ever managed to take a monkey and turn it into a human. No scientist has ever managed to take some gas and turn it into a sun and an earth and a moon. Scientists will even claim such experiments are impossible, proving once again that scientists do not have any evidence for their claims. It also proves that God did create earth, because if humans can't do it then it must have been created by someone far more powerful and intelligent: God.
It works out through the word "supposedly". It never happened the way scientists describe it, but they think to confuse us by sneaking in the word supposedly. The Bible tells us all about dinosaurs no more than a few thousand years ago, well after God created earth, so it all works out splendidly in reality.Is it as useless as the previous nutcase conspiracy theory you lifted from some random idiot's webpage?Yes, it is as useless. It makes an assertion about the human race being 6 to 10 million years old with no evidence and uses that unfounded assertion to claim God is a liar. That's not how logic works dumbass. By the way, funny how you scientists can be accurate to the year when it comes to the creation of the universe (which can't be verified) but leave yourself lots of leeway when you are dealing with things that regular people can verify (and you guys still get it wrong).

You "value" faith? How high do you value it? Not very high if you are willing to risk an eternity of suffering... Son, you need to read the Bible and get yourself baptized.

Have you ever heard of "game theory"? It's a little something scientists have come up with and it says how to behave based on the chance of future reward. Even if you as a heathen atheist believe you're 99.999% sure there is no afterlife and no risk of being smitten by God in this life that leaves still 0.0001% chance of a one way ticket to Hell, the cost of which easily offsets the supposed gain of spending your days in this life seeking out Christian communities on the internet and harassing them. Yes, even science tells you to become a True Christian™! Praise God!

I like you.
I really do.
Unlike other members you argue really well.



I have never considered reading the bible, and never will.
I've read many other books though, but I don't believe that god wrote them either.
Evolution does create greatness, the reason that everyone isn't the ultimate species is because its survival of the fittest. We can't all be the greatest, so only a few go through to the top. I guess you could say that humans are great, thats an example.

My dog actually does shit on the floor..

God was not the author of the bible, I'm sorry but he wasn't.
Did he come down to earth and write it?
No.
No he didn't.

I do not understand how the earth started really, I'll be honest.
Maybe a supreme diety did make it, that is not absurd.
However I do not believe that the Christian god created.
Hell, I don't believe any of human religious' gods made it.

I believe in a 'god', sure.
I do not believe storys about this 'god' however.
I am just glad for life, I'm not going to waste it worshiping this 'god'.

Sorry I know I've left out heaps of stuff but I'm really bleeeugh at the moment.

Oh one last thing, I do value faith.
Faith in something that does not discriminate women and other races.
Faith in something that does not cause pain and hatred.
Faith in something that is harmless, not something as dangerous as most religions.

[A Follower]

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I like you.
I really do.
Unlike other members you argue really well.



I have never considered reading the bible, and never will.

Obviously you haven't read the Bible, the demons inside you make you afraid of it. If you were a reasonable person you wouldn't debate from ignorance.

I've read many other books though, but I don't believe that god wrote them either.

I doubt you read many other books. Your knowledge and intelligence clearly show you have no clue about the world around you.

Evolution does create greatness, the reason that everyone isn't the ultimate species is because its survival of the fittest. We can't all be the greatest, so only a few go through to the top. I guess you could say that humans are great, thats an example.

And another book you haven't read, you claim to believe in Darwin but haven't even bothered to read his book. Nor have you read any books on logic because you obviously can't think straight. You claim survival of the fittest leads to greatness, but in reality it means that everything that is alive today is equally great. According to evolution you are worth exactly the same as a worm or a fungus. Only the Bible says humans are inherently more worthy than animals.

My dog actually does shit on the floor..

You claim you are of the master race but you cannot control a pet... You are pathetic.

God was not the author of the bible, I'm sorry but he wasn't.
Did he come down to earth and write it?
No.
No he didn't.

That's not what God says. That's not what the Bible says. If you would read the Bible you wouldn't look so incredibly stupid by making these unwarranted claims.

I do not understand how the earth started really, I'll be honest.

Then why were you arguing so forcefully before that it was caused by a big bang? Why did you try to convert us to your belief-system when you don't even know what you believe for yourself? You have just proven once again why no one likes heathens like you, you have no clue what you are talking about but still try to push your ridiculous beliefs upon others.

Maybe a supreme diety did make it, that is not absurd.

Hey, you changed your religion again. Did you pick the right one this time?

However I do not believe that the Christian god created.

Too bad, you didn't pick the right one. So what makes you believe that God didn't create the universe? Do you have any reasoning to back up your new found belief? Or do you keep changing your believes until we tire of explaining to you how weak your faith is?

Hell, I don't believe any of human religious' gods made it.

Are you not human? You just made up a religion with a god that created the universe. Or did you change religions again?

I believe in a 'god', sure.
I do not believe storys about this 'god' however.

So you believe there is a God out there that is so powerful it can create the entire universe and all plants, animals and people, but somehow that God isn't capable of telling us how he wants us to live? Your made up religion makes no sense.

I am just glad for life, I'm not going to waste it worshiping this 'god'.

You like life, but you are not willing to take a little time every day to worship God, even if that will give you eternal life? How stupid is that, you'd rather spend a few years on earth acting all ignorant and then spend all eternity dieing than having an everlasting second life...

Sorry I know I've left out heaps of stuff but I'm really bleeeugh at the moment.

Of course you left out heaps of stuff, you have no clue what you believe in, you have no clue what others believe in, you have no reasons for your beliefs, but you still claim your belief is the only right one and 2 billion Christians are wrong.

Oh one last thing, I do value faith.
Faith in something that does not discriminate women and other races.
Faith in something that does not cause pain and hatred.
Faith in something that is harmless, not something as dangerous as most religions.

Why do you discriminate women? You force them to behave like men even when they aren't. Women are weaker than men, so they need our protection. Women bear our sons, so we need to provide for them. Unlike you, we do not think women are objects to be used and then cast aside, we actually value women for what they are.

You make up new believes and try to force them upon us. You have claimed to be a Darwinist, Darwinists are responsible for the eugenics experiments by Nazi Germany. Darwinists caused Stalin to wipe out tens of millions of lesser people. Darwinists caused the cultural revolution in China, killing everyone who did not behave like a proper socialist. If you don't want to cause pain and suffering you would stop advocating the Darwinist belief of evolution, instead you would follow God.

Your "faith" is not harmless, it is evil. You are evil. You refuse to listen to us. You refuse to find out who God is. You even refuse to find out what you believe in. You promote ignorance. You espouse beliefs that anyone in their right mind finds ridiculous.

[JoburgFrancois]

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Nor have you read any books on logic because you obviously can't think straight.

1) You deride the poor guy because he hasn't read any books pertaining to logic? Please elaborate? Does a book that claims to cast you aside (Luke 14:26) if you do not profess hatred for yourself and your family sound very logical?

Only the Bible says humans are inherently more worthy than animals.You claim you are of the master race but you cannot control a pet... You are pathetic.

2) James 4:11-12. I believe it refers to not passing judgement or speak evil against your brothers, yet across this thread I see references to others being "retarded" or "pathetic". Is this acceptable in your eyes or is it the special brand of American faith that seems so prevalent across your country?

You have just proven once again why no one likes heathens like you, you have no clue what you are talking about but still try to push your ridiculous beliefs upon others.

3) Another large generalisation and slightly hypocritical if I may say. I'm sure you know exactly what kind of friendship circle and social life this guy has because you're so popular yourself, my friend? The truth is, YOU don't like this "heathen" you kindly refer to because it is YOU who's failed at pushing YOUR beliefs onto him.

but you still claim your belief is the only right one and 2 billion Christians are wrong.

4) Is this not what you yourself do?

You espouse beliefs that anyone in their right mind finds ridiculous.

5) Yes, I do find people who espouse such beliefs ridiculous. I see a similar trend in Tehran where theological authoritarianism is pushed down the throats of everybody. 1 John 4:20-21 is a noble verse indeed, we must love everybody as ourselves, although I see in your case that can also mean the ability to proudly show off how many queers you've punched.

Does the same apply to Jews? Muslims? Blacks? Probably not eh? As long as you're white, conservative, American and believe that applying a piece of paper created in 1787, word for word, in 2010, then you're right in God's eyes, right? And what's this about being a "Real American?", unless you are not of Caucasian descent, then I don't believe you're entirely correct in your assertion? But I digress.

I myself sir am a humanitarian worker from South Africa. I've worked as part of the Red Cross for over 10 years now, I've seen children die and I've dealt with very painful situations, both mentally and physically. I don't profess to being an atheist, I simply say that I am not arrogant enough to have a cast-iron belief either way. A bit of critical analysis never hurts there.

Furthermore, I've enjoyed a sound existence so far. I was raised well, I've worked for what I want, I've raised a family with two beautiful, polite kids and everything is in order. So it really grates when I read such rubbish spouted towards the innocent because they do not share your beliefs, or their interpretation is different. You are equals among men, nothing more.

[Lisa H]

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1) You deride the poor guy because he hasn't read any books pertaining to logic? Please elaborate? Does a book that claims to cast you aside (Luke 14:26) if you do not profess hatred for yourself and your family sound very logical?

2) James 4:11-12. I believe it refers to not passing judgement or speak evil against your brothers, yet across this thread I see references to others being "retarded" or "pathetic". Is this acceptable in your eyes or is it the special brand of American faith that seems so prevalent across your country?

3) Another large generalisation and slightly hypocritical if I may say. I'm sure you know exactly what kind of friendship circle and social life this guy has because you're so popular yourself, my friend? The truth is, YOU don't like this "heathen" you kindly refer to because it is YOU who's failed at pushing YOUR beliefs onto him.

4) Is this not what you yourself do?

5) Yes, I do find people who espouse such beliefs ridiculous. I see a similar trend in Tehran where theological authoritarianism is pushed down the throats of everybody. 1 John 4:20-21 is a noble verse indeed, we must love everybody as ourselves, although I see in your case that can also mean the ability to proudly show off how many queers you've punched.

Does the same apply to Jews? Muslims? Blacks? Probably not eh? As long as you're white, conservative, American and believe that applying a piece of paper created in 1787, word for word, in 2010, then you're right in God's eyes, right? And what's this about being a "Real American?", unless you are not of Caucasian descent, then I don't believe you're entirely correct in your assertion? But I digress.

I myself sir am a humanitarian worker from South Africa. I've worked as part of the Red Cross for over 10 years now, I've seen children die and I've dealt with very painful situations, both mentally and physically. I don't profess to being an atheist, I simply say that I am not arrogant enough to have a cast-iron belief either way. A bit of critical analysis never hurts there.

Furthermore, I've enjoyed a sound existence so far. I was raised well, I've worked for what I want, I've raised a family with two beautiful, polite kids and everything is in order. So it really grates when I read such rubbish spouted towards the innocent because they do not share your beliefs, or their interpretation is different. You are equals among men, nothing more.

Who are you to question a True Christian™?
Why did you not use the quote button correctly?
Where is your Introduction Post?

[A Follower]

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1) You deride the poor guy because he hasn't read any books pertaining to logic? Please elaborate? Does a book that claims to cast you aside (Luke 14:26) if you do not profess hatred for yourself and your family sound very logical?

Wow, an actual Bible-quoting Christian. I haven't seen one of those outside our church in a long time. I started to doubt they still existed. Good on you!

Yes, I deride the guy for not reading books on logic. I already elaborated in the post you quoted where I documented and explained several logic errors in Dingleberry's reasoning. One where he claims evolution leads to a master-species, which he is part of, and a second time where he changes his religious believes several times in the span of writing a single one of his posts, and even not understanding what he claims his version of religion means.

Now, let's get back to your Scripture references. The verse you quote doesn't just stand on its own, it comes with context: Jesus Himself explains why he wants us to hate our families:

Luke 14:33-35
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. 34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Your insinuation that Jesus and the Bible are not logical is not just heresy, Jesus is God, the KJV1611 is God's Word: It is perfectly logical. Your profound ignorance of the Bible is not unexpected, the Bible itself explains why you are unable to understand it:

Mark 4:11-12
11 And he said to them, To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Your homework for the coming time will be to read the KJV1611 cover to cover, so you will not misquote or ridicule it again. Reading it fully should give your proper appreciation for its superior morals and foolproof logic.

2) James 4:11-12. I believe it refers to not passing judgement or speak evil against your brothers, yet across this thread I see references to others being "retarded" or "pathetic". Is this acceptable in your eyes or is it the special brand of American faith that seems so prevalent across your country?

You obviously read Dingleberry's posts or those of his fellow heathens. They do seem to get ridiculously indignant when they are proven wrong, and start screaming obscenities like lunatics.

When we point out to them that their Biblical knowledge is "retarded" or
"delayed" is at is written nowadays in American, we mean that they do not understand the Bible at the level a 10 year old Christian would. It is not meant to be insulting, simply to be a wakeup call, it is long time that they start studying, and study hard. It certainly isn't judging in the Biblical sense, time and time again the Bible tells us to judge righteously, at no point does the Bible state we should tolerate evil and sinning in our midst. We are also implored to not tolerate sin upon any of our brothers in Christ, telling people they are sinning is not evil, it is good, because that way they can change their way and go to Heaven. Ignoring them, now that would be evil, under no circumstances would I want anyone to burn in Hell, Jesus died for everyone on earth, everyone on earth can accept His gift and live eternal life.

Matthew 7:1-12
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

3) Another large generalisation and slightly hypocritical if I may say. I'm sure you know exactly what kind of friendship circle and social life this guy has because you're so popular yourself, my friend? The truth is, YOU don't like this "heathen" you kindly refer to because it is YOU who's failed at pushing YOUR beliefs onto him.

You may say if that is what you want, but you would be saying an untruth.

DingleBerry has been claiming we and God are wrong about pretty much everything, while not giving a shred of evidence, neither Scriptural or worldly. All he does is keep saying we're wrong and we should believe what he believes, followed by some idiocy copied from the internet (and no copy/paste job ever agrees with a previous copy&paste job by him). DingleBerry has changed his religious believes at least 4 times since brightening our forum with his presence, he obviously isn't mentally stable, it would be disaster for anyone to follow him to the mental asylum.

4) Is this not what you yourself do?

No, I say any Christian who believes in God and the Bible (completely and unreservedly) and acts upon his beliefs is a True Christian™

5) Yes, I do find people who espouse such beliefs ridiculous. I see a similar trend in Tehran where theological authoritarianism is pushed down the throats of everybody. 1 John 4:20-21 is a noble verse indeed, we must love everybody as ourselves, although I see in your case that can also mean the ability to proudly show off how many queers you've punched.

I'm very happy you are concerned with the behavior of muslims, I am too. It only goes to show what not believing in the right God leads to: war, suffering, and eternal damnation.

I love myself so much I don't want to burn in Hell. That's why I will not let myself sin. I love every human on earth exactly as much, so I will do everything in my power to not let anyone on earth sin.

Does the same apply to Jews? Muslims? Blacks? Probably not eh? As long as you're white, conservative, American and believe that applying a piece of paper created in 1787, word for word, in 2010, then you're right in God's eyes, right? And what's this about being a "Real American?", unless you are not of Caucasian descent, then I don't believe you're entirely correct in your assertion? But I digress.

Anyone can come to Christ and give up his former deathstyle, even nigras. They of course will stay physically black, but when they become Christian they will no longer behave black. Why don't you look at our ex-negro ministry, we have some very successful cases of nigras going through denigrafication treatment.

Same with joos, mudslimes and other assorted trash, once they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior they will stop sinning. But for now they obviously are evil, as I'm sure you know (9/11, terrorist attacks on our peaceful troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc)

I myself sir am a humanitarian worker from South Africa. I've worked as part of the Red Cross for over 10 years now, I've seen children die and I've dealt with very painful situations, both mentally and physically. I don't profess to being an atheist, I simply say that I am not arrogant enough to have a cast-iron belief either way. A bit of critical analysis never hurts there.

Stop living in your liberal fantasy land and open your eyes for once. Living in Africa and seeing painful situations you cannot have missed that in every one of those cases blacks were responsible for the tragedy. Blacks are thugs and rapists. Every crime is a 100 times more likely to have been commited by a negro than a normal person.

Furthermore, I've enjoyed a sound existence so far. I was raised well, I've worked for what I want, I've raised a family with two beautiful, polite kids and everything is in order. So it really grates when I read such rubbish spouted towards the innocent because they do not share your beliefs, or their interpretation is different. You are equals among men, nothing more.

Not everything is in order, you should get straight with God before everything is in order.

Of course we are as equal as any man: God gave us the same chances, we just took the right course. You didn't.

[Daniel4]

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I learned in my Catholic religion class that god is all powerful, all knowing and all loving but i disagree because if god knew teh horrors that are going on then god would do something to stop it.
So i came to the conclusion that god is all knowing all powerful but not all loving he/she/god treats all all the same no love no hate.That is why poor,rich,religious, none religious can go through the same struggles in their lives

[Daniel4]

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Hey from your knowledge and word usage i am guessing you are educated and hav ehad a good life because you believe in god so much. You probably grew up in a good home, had a meal everyday, and had every opportunity to go to school get educated and hav e a good career. But then how would you speak to a starving child in africa about god? to a child who may not have parents, a home or a meal in daysor even a chance at anything that you had. How will you speak to this child about god who created everything but can not put a meal in his stomach

[Mrs. Rogers]

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But then how would you speak to a starving child in africa about god?

There is really no need for the children of Africa to starve. Have you noticed how the LORD sends many flies to land on said children -- especially around their mouths? Every fly is a small yet mighty bullet of protein, and yet the children are too lazy to catch and eat the flies. I mean really, how very rude of them to turn their noses up at the Lord's bounty! Hellbound little ingrates.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Hey from your knowledge and word usage i am guessing you are educated and hav ehad a good life because you believe in god so much. You probably grew up in a good home, had a meal everyday, and had every opportunity to go to school get educated and hav e a good career. But then how would you speak to a starving child in africa about god? to a child who may not have parents, a home or a meal in daysor even a chance at anything that you had. How will you speak to this child about god who created everything but can not put a meal in his stomach

The nigra race has turned it's back on Jesus. That's their own fault.