[LadyMarshmallow]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Then why are these sinful behaviors so closely associated with the Goths?

None of those behaviours are associated with Goths. This is a stereotype/misconception based on ignorant kids thinking the word Goth sounds cool and not bothering to actually learn what it means. Or based on what some crazy people like the trench coat mafia have done and they are not Goth. People who are not actually Goth cannot represent the Goth scene and we do not deserve to be slandered or attacked based on what people who are not a part of our community have done. The only thing all Goths have in common is liking Goth rock.

And I am not making anything up. I am giving you the actual definition.

1. a genre of rock music that first became popular in the 1980s and is characterized by morbid themes and melodies.
2. a person who is part of a subculture favoring this style of music and a dark and morbid aesthetic:

often not capitalized a : rock music marked by dark and morbid lyrics b : a fan or performer of goth

And my username is Ladyofmallow. Not marshmallow. It's taken from the name of a Gothic novel by Dorothy Eden.

[Basilissa]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

They could very well have a different explanation.

Like what?

She is not going to respond, Brother. It seems all of the weed she smokes has already burned out the parts of the brain responsible for logical thinking. That's why she isn't responding to my last post either.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

None of those behaviours are associated with Goths.

Yes, they are and you reveal yourself as a godless Englishman with your misspelling of behavior. Also, we have no interest in your soft porn dime novels.

[LadyMarshmallow]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am not going to respond to things that are not about what I came to discuss, which is your slander of the Gothic community.

Yes, they are and you reveal yourself as a godless Englishman with your misspelling of behavior. Also, we have no interest in your soft porn dime novels.

No, none of those behaviours are associated with goths. At least not CORRECTLY. Stop confusing misconceptions and stereotypes with facts, please. Again, Goths are fans of Goth rock and that is the only thing they all have in common. It has nothing to do with religion, not Satanism or any other religion. There are some Goths who are Satanist. I will not deny this. I have friends who are LaVeyan Satanists. But there are a lot of people who are not. I'm sure there are people in almost every music scene with a vast array of different religions. Goth is literally just about music.

Most Goths do not cut themselves. That is the act of a teenager crying out for attention, not a Goth. The Goth scene is not rampant with drugs. Most of us do not care for drugs and do not allow it in our clubs.

Marilyn Manson does not play Goth music. Some Goths enjoy his music, but there are an equal amount of Goths who cannot stand him and think he is a talent-less jerk who ripped off and stole from artists we love & his poseur goth fans nearly destroyed our scene. His music sounds nothing like gothic rock.

There is no evidence that any known school shooting was perpetrated by Goths. There is nothing to suggest that these criminals listened to Goth rock at all and the Columbine shooters music tastes were printed and none of the bands were goth. Goths are for the most part very non violent and kind people.

Most Goths are in same sex relationships and marriages. There are people who are homosexual or bisexual within the Goth scene, but it is far from the majority. There are also people like that in other music scenes or who don't even have any specific taste in music. Rozz Williams was married to a woman. Robert Smith is married to a woman. David Vanian and Patricia Morrison are married. DJ Martin Oldgoth, one of the most prominent DJs in the Goth scene, is married to a woman. The Gothic model Lady Amaranth is married to the singer (a guy) from the goth band Pretentious Moi. My best friend recently got married to her boyfriend in a beautiful LaVeyan Satanist ceremony. One of my other best friends are a female fiddler/violinist who is married to the male drummer in her band. I am female and am married to a wonderful man.

Also, I am American. However, I prefer to try to spell things the way the English do because our language comes from them, so I would say theirs is more correct. It's also due to the fact that I have over 500 Gothic novels and most Gothic novels are written by English authors. And they are not porn. Gothic novels written prior to 1990, like Lady of Mallow, involve romance but not any kind of sex or real intimacy. They have a plot and do not need to add trash filler.

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

You are obviously a godless Goth, no wonder everyone hates you.

[Basilissa]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am not going to respond to things that are not about what I came to discuss, which is your slander of the Gothic community.

Translation: "I'll ignore everything that I cannot respond to by providing actual evidence."

Boring drivel devoid of any actual evidence deleted...

Most Goths are in same sex relationships and marriages.

...More boring drivel devoid of any actual evidence deleted.

Eww!

Thank you for admitting that your race is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord!

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

[handmaiden]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goths are fans of Goth Rock. People who enjoy listening to Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and Angels of Liberty. People who like Goth music. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That is all there is to it, literally? You just happen to enjoy some tunes by a couple of different bands?


Then why, pray tell,do you make such a big, whiny fuss about it? My niece enjoys Itsy Bitsy Spider, but she doesn't declare to the world that she is a spider.


She hasn't cobbled together an entire so-called subculture requiring special clothes and all sorts of made up words to designate some picayune difference between one group of people listening to music that sounds suspiciously like the music preferred by some other group of people wearing nearly identical clothes.


How desperate are you to fashion some sense of identity? Do you feel so alienated from the mainstream world because you know that you have nothing to offer it? Is that why you let a band become the locus of your personality?


Perhaps I should gather a few like-minded individuals into forming a sub-culture based on the music of John Philip Sousa. We could define ourselves by his songs and wear clothes appropriate to his tunes. We could call ourselves Sousas and we would look very, very silly.


Very.


Sousically Yours,


Handmaiden

[LadyMarshmallow]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

You are obviously a godless Goth, no wonder everyone hates you.

Who are you speaking to? It would help if you quoted them. Only atheists and Scientologists are godless. And most Goths have a large group of friends. Are you suggesting the 40+ people dancing in each Goth club all hate each other? It seems a rather silly idea to go out and dance with people you don't like. Or hang out at festivals like Wave Gotik Treffen, Castle Party and Whitby Gothic weekend with people you don't like. Or go to Victorian gothic picnics with people you don't know.

"Quote:
Boring drivel devoid of any actual evidence deleted...

Most Goths are in same sex relationships and marriages.

...More boring drivel devoid of any actual evidence deleted.
Eww!

Thank you for admitting that your race is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord!"

Testimony from an actual goth is evidence. Can you provide evidence that Goths commit school shootings, cut themselves, are all homosexual, are all Satanists, etc.,?

"Music Blame for the shootings was directed on a number of metal or 'dark music' bands such as KMFDM and Rammstein.[104] The majority of that blame was directed at Marilyn Manson and his eponymous band."

None of those bands are Goth; therefore, the Columbine Shooters were not Goths.

And that's not what I said and whoever edited my post knows it. I said most Goths are not in same sex relationships. Maybe if you actually tried reading the rest of my post, you'd realize that part was obviously edited by someone here. Considering I said homosexual and bisexual relationships within the Goth scene are FAR FROM the majority and gave examples of famous Goths, myself and people I know who are in heterosexual male/female relationships.

[I Man Rastafari]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Most Goths are in same sex relationships and marriages... My best friend recently got married to her boyfriend in a beautiful LaVeyan Satanist ceremony.

This is bound to whip these white people into a frenzy. Baptists hate this kind of talk.

[LadyMarshmallow]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

That is all there is to it, literally? You just happen to enjoy some tunes by a couple of different bands?


Then why, pray tell,do you make such a big, whiny fuss about it? My niece enjoys Itsy Bitsy Spider, but she doesn't declare to the world that she is a spider.


She hasn't cobbled together an entire so-called subculture requiring special clothes and all sorts of made up words to designate some picayune difference between one group of people listening to music that sounds suspiciously like the music preferred by some other group of people wearing nearly identical clothes.


How desperate are you to fashion some sense of identity? Do you feel so alienated from the mainstream world because you know that you have nothing to offer it? Is that why you let a band become the locus of your personality?


Perhaps I should gather a few like-minded individuals into forming a sub-culture based on the music of John Philip Sousa. We could define ourselves by his songs and wear clothes appropriate to his tunes. We could call ourselves Sousas and we would look very, very silly.


Very.


Sousically Yours,


Handmaiden

No one makes a big fuss about being Goth, except edgy kids who aren't Goth. If you're asking why I am making a big fuss about the comments on here and the list of warning signs, I've already explained that. It is perpetuating a false image of the Goth scene, which causes Goths to be attacked for things they have no association with and have not done.

And what other type of music do bands like Bauhaus sound similar to ? Because they do not sound similar to Marilyn Manson who is Shock Rock, or to Industrial, Rave music, Heavy Metal, etc., Nor do Goths necessarily dress much like other people. Traditional Goth and Deathrock have a very specific image that is hard to obtain for someone who is not a fan of Goth & Deathrock music and is only really similar to Punk and possibly early Rivethead/Industrial fans. Modern Industrial fans dress very very differently. Though there are some people who dress in a Romantic Goth or Victorian Goth style without listening to the music, but that is because those styles have major influences from outside the bands. And there is no manner of dress that makes someone Goth either. Dressing like the bands is not a requirement to being a fan of the music.

No one is "desperate to form an identity" except for edgy fake goths. Goth is just a word we use to describe a part of our likes, a label that helps us find bands that play a certain style of music similar to other bands we like and find clubs that play this style of music. It is not an entire identity and no one is focusing their identity on a band. Goths have other interest outside Goth, Gothic music is just the one thing all Goths have in common and what makes us Goth. It's no different than using the term metalhead to refer to fans of heavy metal. It is referring to one thing they like not everything.

[LadyMarshmallow]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

This is bound to whip these white people into a frenzy. Baptists hate this kind of talk.

It was really quite interesting to be part of a ritual for a different religion. I'm not big on naked lady altars though, but if it bothers someone they can just watch the male and female couple getting married instead of looking at the altar. If I were attracted to females, I'd much prefer the bride anyway. She is one of most beautiful women I've ever met. Her husband is a very lucky man. Thankfully, I don't believe in a god that will frown at me attending my best friend's wedding and we each respect that we do not share the same religion.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

If you're asking why I am making a big fuss about the comments on here and the list of warning signs, I've already explained that. It is perpetuating a false image of the Goth scene, which causes Goths to be attacked for things they have no association with and have not done.

Your confusion comes from the fact that goths do not have the spirit of truth (John 14:17). They are spiritually as blind men, feeling after the truth, but not able to see it. Upsetting the society and offending the Lord thy God is their way, and there are consequences for these choices.

The LORD tells us He rebukes people for the sake of teaching them the errors of their ways (Deuteronomy 8:5). This is for their own good (Hebrews 12:25; Matthew 10:28). He does this because it delights Him to be glorified (Psalm 147:11), and people who mock and ridicule Him are failing to adequately glorify Him. Walking around like Victorian Jugalos is taunting the LORD, daring Him to smite you. You have no one but yourselves to blame for incurring His wrath, and no one but yourselves to blame if you are too stubborn or stupid to change your ways.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Hi, Marshmallow, welcome to this forum. Let me introduce you to my friend, the “No True Scotsman” Just an example:

Most of the things in this thread have little or nothing to do with Goth, or at least not just Goth. I will freely admit to being Goth and am proud of it. Goth was a genre of music started in the late 1970s as an offshoot of Punk music with bands like Bauhaus and Siouxsie and the Banshees. The Goth subculture is basically a music scene built around supporting and showing a love for this genre of music; Goths are fans of Goth rock. It is not a religion and has nothing to do with religion.

Other Goths seem to disagree with you. Kind of what happens when you say “Communism is THIS” Some random folk will come and tell you “Communism is not THIS, is THAT”. So you tell them “But Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Fidel Castro did THIS, and not THAT”. Guess what, they tell you “But they are not REAL communists” This fallacy has a name, “No True Scotsman” Look it up.
Of course, there are a lot more troubles with your first post! Even for a REAL Goth like you

Silver is used worn for protection, especially against vampires. Kind of goes against your later comments that Goths are obsessed with vampires, drink blood,avoid daylight because they want to be vampires.

But but, you are obsessed with vampires. And you drink blood, you told that. And you are a REAL Goth.

Other than that I mostly only drink mead and cider, and that is for special occasions or socially. Without alcohol I would be an extremely antisocial person in clubs or at concerts where I don't know anyone because I suffer from anxiety, especially social anxiety. It helps a lot of people with social anxiety loosen up and this list has made it very clear that you disapprove of being antisocial. So which is it? Should we be social or antisocial?

What about being social without alcohol? With God’s help, you can.

But to address the main point here..

Some Christians even get tattoos because they believe the bible only referred to tattoos as a sin WHEN they are done to represent the dead or for ritualistic purposes because getting a tattoo for those reasons was (is) something Pagans do.

Unlike for being a New Age Goth, there are rules to be a Christian that you have to follow. The importance of this rules comes for several reasons. The most important, God made them, and God decides who goes to heaven. But there are more reasons, and one is to avoid the application of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. Do you want to see if somebody is Christian or not? See if he follows the Bible, all of it. Getting tattooed is not being a Christian.

Nothing Marilyn Manson does or says matters. His music is not Goth and he does not represent the Goth community or goth people because he is not Goth.

No True Scotsman. It appears so much in your rant.

And then…

have read the bible at least once though, even if they do not believe in it.It's a decent book of fairy tales and mythological stories.

“Fairy tales” is VERY offensive. And it is being said bya 34 year old woman, with a child, that calls herself a “Pagan Witch” and goes to Satanist weddings. Wow, just wow.

And you list a lot of diseases that you and your friends have. Have you thought of praying so those diseases will go? Instead of locking up yourselves during the day.
Just for fun, one more point...

Bad behaviour often just means your child is trying to get yourattention because you are not spending enough time with them.

Yes, that’s whay we have the rod for.

I am a vampire and I am a Pagan.

Oh, really? But that has nothing to do with being Goth,doesn’t it?

[AsksDumbQuestions]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

1-Frequently wears black clothing.
2-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
3-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
4-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols.
5-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
6-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music.
(Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against
the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
7-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
8-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the
Bible, prayer, church or sports.
9-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult,
witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
10-Takes drugs.
11-Drinks alcohol.
12-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
13-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation.
(This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God
and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.)
14-Complains of boredom.
15-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
16-Is excessively awake during the night.
17-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
18-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
19-Spends large amounts of time alone.
20-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child
may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
21-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an
adult.
22-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders
are but a few examples of this.
23-Misbehaves at school.
24-Misbehaves at home.
25-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of
this.
26-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and
should be stopped immediately.)
27-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
28-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing
nature.
29-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer.
30-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
31-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
32-Expresses an interest in sex.
33-Masturbates.
34-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
35-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism,
Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
36-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various
phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
37-Claims to be a goth.
health center.

Pretty much goths who are born goths are, lost? They like black things, dark things, witchcraft and sorceries, not believing on God, lacks out of hormones that makes them happy... cursed.

Pretty much they're born like that because their ancestors might be a physic, witch-wizard sorcery warlock demon who loves cursing people which is obvious. And at least there harmless but so annoying and weird, Wish their life should be filled with colors but NOOOO they like the color black and white like they wish their eyes are colored black and white.

I just think they're funny because they wear sad clothes, does weird ear piercings also on their nose and belly button and they watch too much twilights.

But I'm not a Goth myself, I'm just a regular person who loves ignoring things that are bad for my habit (because their unavoidable) and wrong things so I started watching youtube and does gaming because everything on TV is BORING and REPLAYS but the internet is way more better like FB.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Goth was a genre of music started in the late 1970s as an offshoot of Punk music with bands like Bauhaus and Siouxsie and the Banshee

But hardly original. Ubiquitously tonal, with even less synthetic chords or whole tone progressions than could be found in Bach or Mozart even though they called them something else. You might as well say that serialism was a genre of music started in the early 20th century as an offshoot of Russian modernism. Indeed I could wing an argument for that right now. But that's a triviality compared to what's really going on. In order to listen to, say, Rimsky-Korsakov I don't need to dress up in imperial costume and cower in a spider hole waiting to be hung. I could do that if I wanted to, or I could wear drastic plastic and melt because those PVC zentai suits get pretty hot. Would anyone care? Not really. But the goth cannot do this. Only a very specific form of attire is acceptable, one incidentally that post-dates the music they decided to listen to because you can't listen to something no-one's written yet. And it's a dead giveaway. The upside down crucifix. Satanic. Any crucifix. Satanic. Lying in a coffin with blood lipstick and autopsy eyeliner applied in all the wrong places. Godly? No. Godless!

Friends, I would encourage you to confront any family member early on with their fashion choices. Even the least black nail polish or, in the case of daughters, a stainless steel wart through the nose needs to be challenged.

• This is not what God has commanded and He knows what is behind the desire to shock.
.• Demons.
..• They will attempt to pass this off as "a musical genre" but parents reading this thread will by now see the reality behind that lie.

Especially from ridiculous comments by the goths themselves. This has nothing to do with God. Make sure your family knows that.


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