[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

No, but there is no way to be goth without listening to Goth music.

Who says that?
You say that
You're a minor goth
Hardly an authoritative source then. Is there some rule book for goths we can consult? One written by the head goth?... Something like the Bible?

[Sabbath]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Just to put this straight
Goth FAQ
What is Gothic?
Its a genre of music a kind of dark Postpunk that developed in the late 70s and early 80s.
Its also a subculture, a group of people united by their love for this music called Goths.

What is Gothic music?
As allready mentioned its a kind of dark Postpunk. Which means it developed from Punk. And indeed many Goth bands do still resemble Punk a lot in sound.
Bauhaus, The Sisters Of Mercy, Christian Death, The Cure, Siouxsie And The Banshees, Alien Sex Fiend,... are some of the prominent Goth classics. But Goth didn't die after the 80s, it just went underground. There are plenty of popular newer Goth bands to like Cinema Strange, Bloody Dead And Sexy, Elusive, Frank The Baptist, All Gone Dead, Eat Your Make-Up,... There is a much longer list of Goth bands below.

Are there different kinds of Goth music?
Yes, there are a handfull of Goth subgenres in existence. Goth comes in two big categories, bands with a first generation sound and bands with a second generation sound.

The first generation is the first Goth music and later bands with the same sound. This is all still fairly close to Punk. Under it fall three Goth subgenres; Deathrock, Batcave and 80s Popgoth.
Deathrock was the first generation of Goth that developed in America. Of all the subgenres its closest to Goth. Famous Deathrock bands are Christian Death, Kommunity FK and 45 Grave.
Batcave was the first generation of Goth that developed in Europe. It usually had a more gloomy and experimental sound to it, like Alien Sex Fiend, Specimen and Virgin Prunes.
80s Popgoth isn't really a subgenre. But some early Goth bands defied classification into a subgenre, like The Cure and Siouxsie And The Banshees.

The second generation of Goth first appeared in the middle of the 80s. A new kind of Goth had evolved away from the Punk roots. It still sounded Goth but different. Two subgenres used to fall under it; Gothic Rock and Dark Wave.
Gothic Rock is Goth with some Hard Rock influences, usually with deep male vocals. The most famous bands are The Sisters Of Mercy, Fields Of The Nephilim and The Mission.
Dark Wave is Goth with some ethereal and electronic influences added. It doesn't exist anymore as a Goth subgenre. Dark Wave has for the most part moved away from its Goth roots and is now a seperate genre. Only a minority stay true to the Goth sound today. Examples of "Gothic Dark Wave" are Xymox, Frozen Autumn and Sopor Aeternus.

Isn't Metal and Rock like Nightwish, Cradle Of Filth, Evanescence, Marilyn Manson, Within Temptation,... Goth?
No, I'm afraid not. Completly different kinds of music. Even Gothic Metal is in fact not Goth, its just a name. This music gets confused a lot cause its also very dark themed. And because a lot of its fans (usually Metalheads) wear black clothing to. Which makes them similar in look to Goths for the casual observer.

Isn't electronic music like Combichrist, VNV Nation, Grendel, Covenant, Front 242,... Goth?
Again no, completly different kind of music. This music or its fans (Cybers usually) don't really resemble Goth anyway. With the exception of a minority of Cybers that sometimes dresses a bit Goth. This music gets confused with Goth cause it gets played side by side with Goth on a number of clubnights and festivals. Allthough this is getting more and more rare.

What other musical genres and prominent bands are wrongly confused with Goth?
Genres:
• Gothic Metal
• Black Metal
• Death Metal
• Nu-Metal
• Industrial
• EBM
• Synthpop
• Futurepop
• “Emo”
• Pagan/Folk Metal
• Symphonic Metal
• Symphonic Power Metal
• Dark Ambient
• Visual Kei

Bands: HIM, A Perfect Circle, Dimmu Borgir, AFI, Combichrist, Lacuna Coil, Moonspell, Nightwish, Wumpscut, Evanescence, Marilyn Manson, Cradle of Filth, Slipknot, Korn, Emilie Autumn, Andrew W.K., Children of Bodom, Good Charlotte, Hatebreed, Jack Off Jill, In Flames, Kittie, KoRn, Linkin Park, Ministry, Morbid Angel, Mudvayne, Murderdolls, My Chemical Romance, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Rammstein, Rasputina, Razed In Black, Skinny Puppy, Tool, VNV Nation, Wednesday 13, Deathstars,...

What is a Goth?
A Goth is someone that loves Gothic music. He/she will probably also like other types of music. But he/she will certainly love Goth music. Many Goths express their love for this genre by dressing a certain way.

What does a Goth look like?
Not everyone that loves Goth music dresses Goth. Regardless of music taste Goths are still individuals that can dress any possible way even in "normal" clothes. However there are two fashion styles that are closely associated with the subculture.
Batcave/Deathrock is associated with first generation Goth. And just like the music its stay close to the Punk roots:




Victorian/Historical is the other style. A style more popular with Goths that prefer the second generation of Goth:




But wasn't Goth a way or life or even a religion?
I'm afraid not, except for a preference for Goth music every Goth is different. They are all individuals that live in their own unique way. And Goth certainly isn't a religion. Their are no beliefs or ideals attached to the subculture. Many Goths are in fact part of a religion allready which has nothing to do with being a Goth.

Why didn't I know this yet?
You have been lied to by the media who is mostly ignorant about the subject. In the 80s everyone knew perfectly well what Goth was, even the media. Cause the music and subculture was as good as mainstream for a period. In the 90s when Goth went back underground the trouble started. The media started to confuse Goth with other dark themed music. Or even with anything dark like Vampirism, Satanism and schoolshootings. Because of that most people today stay completly ignorant of what Goth is. Fortunately you stumbled across one of the few reliable sources here.

The Gothic List
I finally leave you with a big list with almost every Goth band worth mentioning included. If you want to check a band out just click on its name. You should be taken to site where you can listen to them.

13 Candles (United Kingdom)
13th Moon (Japan)
1919 (United Kingdom)
26 Tears (Belgium)
45 Grave (California, USA)
99 Stellavista (New York, USA)
Actifed (United Kingdom)
Adoration (United Kingdom)
After Dusk (Greece)
Ahráyeph (Belgium)
Aidons la Norvège (Italy)
Alien Sex Fiend (United Kingdom)
All Gone Dead (United Kingdom)
All Living Fear (United Kingdom)
Andi Hayes (California, USA)
Antiworld (Oregon, USA)
Asmodi Bizarr (Germany)
A Spectre Is Haunting Europe (Canada)
Astrovamps (California, USA)
Ausgang (United Kingdom)
Avant-Garde (Italy)
Awakening, The (South Africa)
Balaam And The Angel (United Kingdom)
Bauhaus (United Kingdom)
Batzz in the Belfry (California, USA)
Beauty for Ashes (New York, USA)
Bell, Book & Candle (Germany)
Big Electric Cat (Australia)
Bitter Grace (New York, USA)
Black Atmosphere (Washington, USA)
Black Chanterelle (Italy)
Black Ice (California, USA)
Bloody Dead & Sexy (Germany)
Bohemien (Italy)
Bolshoi, The (United Kingdom)
Bone Orchard (United Kingdom)
Breath of Life, The (Belgium)
Brotherhood Of Pagans (France)
Brillig (Australia)
Burning Image (California, USA)
Castrati (France)
Catastrophe Ballet (Germany)
Cemetary Girlz, The (France)
Chants Of Maldoror (Italy)
Children Of Stun (United Kingdom)
Christian Death (California, USA)
Cinema Strange (California, USA)
Coffinettes, The (Michigan, USA)
Corpus Delicti (France)
Craft, The (United Kingdom)
Cure, The (United Kingdom)
Curiosity (Belgium)
Curse Of The Vampire (France)
Damned, The (United Kingdom)
Dance With The Gloom (France)
Darkness Visible (Australia)
Daughters of Bristol, The (Washington, USA)
Dead Artist Syndrome (California, USA)
Deadchovsky (France)
Deadfly Ensemble, The (New York, USA)
Dead Guitars (United Kingdom)
Dearest Death (Texas, USA)
Decima Victima (Spain)
De Volanges (Belgium)
Doppelgänger (Russia)
Eat Your Make-Up (France)
Elusive (Norway)
Erato (Belgium)
Eternal Chapter, The (South Africa)
Eternal Fall, The (Spain)
Euroshima (Argentina)
Eva O Halo Experience (California, USA)
Every New Dead Ghost (United Kingdom)
Ex-VoTo (California, USA)
Eye's of The Nightmare Jungle (Germany)
Faces of Sarah, The (United Kingdom)
Faith and the Muse (California, USA)
Fangs On Fur (California, USA)
Fields of the Nephilim (United Kingdom)
Flesh Eaters, The (California, USA)
Frank The Baptist (California, USA)
Garden of Delight (Germany)
Gene Loves Jezebel (United Kingdom)
Ghost Dance (United Kingdom)
Ghost Of Lemora (United Kingdom)
Giardino Violetto (Italy)
Gloria Mundi (United Kingdom)
Goat Of Bethlehem, The (Brazil)
Gorgonas (Mexico)
Gotterdammerung (Netherlands)
Graveyardz, The (Argentina)
Holy Cow (Massachusetts, USA)
IKON (Australia)
Inkubus Sukkubus (United Kingdom)
Jacquy Bitch (France)
Katzenjammer Kabarett (France)
Kill Sister Kill (California, USA)
Kommunity FK (California, USA)
La Peste Negra (Spain)
Last Days Of Jesus, The (Slovakia)
Laughing Mothers, The (United Kingdom)
Lestat (Ohio, USA)
Leichenliebe (Germany)
L’ Insignifiante Morte (Mexico)
Lords of the New Church (United Kingdom)
Los Paralitikos (Spain)
Love Like Blood (Germany)
Luiza Fria (Brazil)
Lycia (Arizona, USA)
Madame Edwarda (Japan)
Madre Del Vizio (Germany)
Mailuna (California, USA)
Malaise (Sweden)
March Violets, The (United Kingdom)
Mask For (Germany)
Mephisto Walz (California, USA)
Merry Thoughts, The (Germany)
Miguel and the Living Dead (Poland)
Miranda Sex Garden (United Kingdom)
Mission UK, The (United Kingdom)
Murder At The Registry (Germany)
Naughty Zombies (Spain)
Naked And The Dead, The (New York, USA)
Nervous Choir (United Kingdom)
Neva (France)
New Days Delay (Germany)
NFD (United Kingdom)
Nietzsche's Bitch (Mexico)
Nosferatu (United Kingdom)
Novocaine Mausoleum (Russia)
Of A Mesh (New York, USA)
Parálisis Permanente (Spain)
Paralysed Age (Germany)
Pauvre Maltea (Wisconsin, USA)
Phaida (Japan)
Phantom Limbs, The (California, USA)
Phantom Vision (Portugal)
Pink Turns Blue (Germany)
Pins And Needles (California, USA)
Plague, The (New York, USA)
Play Dead (Illinois, USA)
Pretentious, Moi? (United Kingdom)
Prophetess, The (California, USA)
Quidam (Spain)
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry (United Kingdom)
Red Lipstick Death (Missouri, USA)
Redemption (Utah, USA)
Rosetta Stone (United Kingdom)
Rubella Ballet (United Kingdom)
RRRRRRR (Uruguay)
Salvation (Leeds, UK)
Scarlet and the Spooky Spiders (Italy)
Scarlet's Remains (California, USA)
Scary Bitches (Germany)
Screaming Banshee Aircrew (United Kingdom)
Screams For Tina (California, USA)
Screaming Dead (United Kingdom)
Sexbeat (United Kingdom)
Sex Gang Children (United Kingdom)
Shadow Project (California, USA)
Shallow Graves, The (Germany)
Shroud, The (California, USA)
Siouxsie and The Banshees (United Kingdom)
Sisters of Mercy, The (United Kingdom)
Sisters Of Murphy, The (United Kingdom)
Skeletal Family (United Kingdom)
Slaveshadow (Illinois, USA)
Sleeping Children (France)
Solemn Novena (United Kingdom)
Sombrance (Missouri, USA)
Southern Death Cult (United Kingdom)
Specimen (United Kingdom)
Spiritual Bat, The (Italy)
Star Industry (Belgium)
Strange Dolls Cult (Austria)
Subterfuge (Australia)
Super Heroines (California, USA)
Suspiria (United Kingdom)
Swandeath (Belgium)
Tears For The Dying (Georgia, USA)
Thatch Noir (Australia)
Theatre Of Hate (United Kingdom)
This Burning Effigy (United Kingdom)
Tones on Tail (United Kingdom)
Toys Went Berserk (Australia)
Twisted Nerve (United Kingdom)
Two Witches (Finland)
UK Decay (United Kingdom)
UltraNoir (Finland)
Vendemmian (United Kingdom)
Violet Stigmata (France)
Virgin Prunes (Ireland)
Voices of Masada (United Kingdom)
Voodoo Church (California, USA)
Wailing Wall (California, USA)
Wake, The (Ohio, USA)
Witching Hour UK (United Kingdom)
Wounded, The (Netherlands)
XIII. Století (Czech Republic)
Xmal Deutschland (Germany)
Zadera (Germany)
Zombie Zex (Sweden)

Related Music List
There are a few kinds of music that are closely related to Goth and even overlap. In order to make sure that even bands that fall in the grey area between Goth and other music are mentioned I also added lists of related genres. In these lists you will find some Goth bands. They aren't in the above list cause they fitted beter in the lists below. But most bands below aren't Goth, just close.

Other Postpunk List
Adam and the Ants
And Also The Trees
Alaska Y Los Pegamoides
All About Eve
Audra
Birthday Party, The
Chameleons, The
Church, The
Echo and the Bunnymen
Flesh For LuLu
Jesus And Mary Chain,The
Joy Disaster
Joy Division
Kitchen and the Plastic Spoons
Love and Rockets
Pitch Black Murder
Public Image Ltd.
Screaming Dead
She Wants Revenge
Swans
Tones On Tails

Darkwave List
Advent Sleep
Athamay
Bella Morte
Black Tape for a Blue Girl
Clan Of Xymox
Crüxshadows, The
Danse Society, The
Dead Can Dance
Deathcamp Project
Death Ride 69
Deine Lakeien
Diary Of Dreams
Frozen Autumn, The
Hungry Ghost, The
Hungry Lucy
Imaginary Stigma
Lacrimosa
L'ame Immortelle
Last Dance, The
London After Midnight
Mark of Kane
Metro Decay
Mors Syphilitica
Mortiis
Mz Eva O And Her Guns
Other Day
Otto Dix
Passing Hour, The
Sophya
Sopor Aeternus and the Ensemble of Shadows
Stillste Stund
Switchblade Symphony
Tragic Black
Umbra Et Imago
Vampyrouss
Wolfsheim

Horror Punk List
Lugosi's Morphine
Other, The
Penis Flytrap
Samhain
Under A Nightmare
Zombina and the Skeletones

Psychobilly List
45 Caliber Sluts
Amazing Tombstones, The
Brickbats, The
Coffin Nails,The
Cramps, The
Cult of The Psychic Fetus
Demon City Wreckers
Devilish Presley
Goners, The
Horrorpops, The
Krewmen
Nekromantix
Quakes, The
Slugger City
Wolfgang Parker

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

What web site did you steal that list from?

[Sabbath]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

What web site did you steal that list from?

Gothic Internatinal. Its a group on alot of different social networking sites. Its doesn't really matter though, as that is what goth is and now you know but than again, your not even going to consider any of it true anyway.

[Tanglefairy]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am shocked, shocked and appalled by this post and the replies! To discriminate against people based on the way they look is just plain wrong whichever way you look at it. Just because someone dresses differently or does not conform to your personal way of thinking it does not make them a bad person.

"If they were MY children, I would stone them to Death. As JESUS commands us to do."
So the murder of children is fine, but wearing black t-shirts and listening to music is going to send you to hell??? I'm sorry but whichever bible quote you post, thou shall not kill is a pretty basic thing. Even more disturbing than this post is that no moderator or pastor has jumped up to say how wrong they are just what kind of people are you!!

It's worrying especially as you are simply talking about people from your own culture who look a little different, I dread to think what you think about people from other cultures or religions. You are no better than islamic militants and you should be treated with as much contempt. I hope the UK bans all hate preachers of all religions! I think you should all take a long hard look at yourselves and hang your heads in shame.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I am shocked, shocked and appalled by this post and the replies! To discriminate against people based on the way they look is just plain wrong whichever way you look at it. Just because someone dresses differently or does not conform to your personal way of thinking it does not make them a bad person.

"If they were MY children, I would stone them to Death. As JESUS commands us to do."
So the murder of children is fine, but wearing black t-shirts and listening to music is going to send you to hell??? I'm sorry but whichever bible quote you post, thou shall not kill is a pretty basic thing. Even more disturbing than this post is that no moderator or pastor has jumped up to say how wrong they are just what kind of people are you!!

It's worrying especially as you are simply talking about people from your own culture who look a little different, I dread to think what you think about people from other cultures or religions. You are no better than islamic militants and you should be treated with as much contempt. I hope the UK bans all hate preachers of all religions! I think you should all take a long hard look at yourselves and hang your heads in shame.

I hate to admit it, but sometimes those Islamics make a good point, once or twice.

[Tanglefairy]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Oh wait, man......did I just totally miss the fact that this is a "joke" website. Shame it's not that funny but hey, you had me going for a while there.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Oh wait, man......did I just totally miss the fact that this is a "joke" website. Shame it's not that funny but hey, you had me going for a while there.

What is a joke about going to Hell?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I'm sorry but whichever bible quote you post, thou shall not kill is a pretty basic thing.

Yes, of course. Reading ALL of the Bible instead of one sentence seems a pretty basic thing as well don't you think? And understanding the context? Would you like to try some of these?

Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

Numbers 15:35
And the Lord said unto Moses, The man [who was found picking up sticks on the sabbath] shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones.

1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19

And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9

He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34

That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23

Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Oh wait, man......did I just totally miss the fact that this is a "joke" website. Shame it's not that funny but hey, you had me going for a while there.

Yeah, Hundreds of people have spent millions of dollars to keep this site live 24/7 for over ten years now just to fool the occasional idiot. We don't sell anything here. We preach the TRUE CHRISTIAN(TM) bible.

Bust since the atheists took over Wikipwedia and branded us a joke, people go "Ha, Ha, Ha" We believe that old fool Fred Phelps at Westboro Baptist, but Landover must be a joke. Well, all we can do is try. We know that SATAN gains control of the world in the end times and that's where wer are now.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

"Tanglefairy"? Do your parents know how proud you are of your revolt against God and the sodomite deathstyle you embrace?

[onexstarxstory]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

i have a friend who wears black and i guess would be considered a goth but his dad owns a church. a christian church and my friend goes there and participates in everything and is a christian.
goths are not bad. goth is a style, not a lifestyle. its not how you live, just how you look.
now i on the other hand am not a goth but i don't believe in god or jesus or anything like that. I'm an agnostic.
you all say there's a higher power just because of a damn book that people wrote a very long time ago. that's not proof. i need real proof.
you people sicken me.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

i have a friend who wears black and i guess would be considered a goth but his dad owns a church. a christian church and my friend goes there and participates in everything and is a christian.

Well, that's a lie right there. Only God can own a truly Christian church. That makes the rest of your post not worth reading. What's the point if it's only going to be more lies?

[onexstarxstory]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Well, that's a lie right there. Only God can own a truly Christian church. That makes the rest of your post not worth reading. What's the point if it's only going to be more lies?

a church is a building on a piece of property that a person can but and sell.

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

a church is a building on a piece of property that a person can but and sell.

Maybe for you greedy joos...