[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

Look, people in this forum already dont like me because I say the truth.

Your lies are not even close to the truth. You have lied so much that you would not even recognize the truth if it was right in front of you.

Just get your sweethearts away from that man so they dont become like him and explain to him that what their father did is wrong.

So you are trying to keep a father away from his children? You are even more evil than I already thought.

How little we care about your insults: Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

[Nobar King]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

That man deserves to have those dogs. Leave them with him.

[True Disciple]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

Um that husband beat his wife for no reason. You did NOTHING WRONG. ITS NOT YOUUR FAULT!!!! Get help! No one should beat his wife. Wheres the respect for you as a woman? Mother of his children? You gave up your antire LIFE and FUTURE to become his houswife. While I 100 percent respect this and paraise you for this, he could caren less. You deserve SO much better. Ignore these people, the man has no control over you, you can submit and trust him, but submit does NOT mean TAKING A BEATING! And I am not Unsaved Trash.

Yes, you are.
You obviously did not read this entire thread, you retard. 1 Corinthians 7:4 grants the husband full authority over his wife's body. The man's right to discipline his wife physically is firmly grounded in the Bible. If you deny him that right, you deny the validity of the Bible, which is God's Word, and this in turn makes you unsaved trash:

2 Timothy 2:12:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us

The more I read in this thread, the more my stomach turns. Hearing some of the stories, the cold hearts so many seem to have, brings me to the brink of despair. What has happened to society? What has happened to families?

I don't know, Brother, but it seems that many people are secretly or even openly rejecting Biblical Law in this thread. This is unheard of! Clearly, someone has not been disciplined enough!

Is there really no man around who can talk to your husband on your behalf?

Yes, there is, Brother, we've discussed this before. A couple of days back mr. Hatchet offered his services to the troubled couple. You might have noticed that he is a man. However, Sister BIG denied this extended hand of friendship and Christ's Unending Love(tm), and chose a secular, unsaved, feminist advisor, who now is handing her drugs to keep her dizzy and obedient to her family-unfriendly schemes.

Look, people in this forum already dont like me because I say the truth. God DOES not want you to go through Hell everyday.

Okay, first you speak on behalf of God without quoting the 1611 KJV Bible, which directly invalidates your arguments. And then you even oppose Biblical Law:

Dont let these misogynists tell you that your husband has every right to beat you, he doesnt and you should report this DOMESTIC ABUSE to the police. Dont let it happen to another woman.

Don't be silly. Are you trying to get the Obambacracy to persecute us even further by not allowing us to discipline our wives as we see fit, as Biblical Law requires? You are one of the fiercest opponents of God I've ever met. Why do you reject His Love?

Jesus said that if we have the faith of a mustard seed, we can do anything. Well I pray for it to stop, do I not have enough faith? Am I not a True Christian™ Why won't God stop it? I don't know how to have any more faith.

Apparently not, Sister. It is sad that we have to notice it now, but I don't think it is too late for you. I think you need to:

1. abandon that godless advisor woman right now, she is a tool of the devil!
2. accept mr. Hatchets offer of marital counselling.
3. confess your lack of belief in Jesus to one of the Pastors.
4. return to your husband, apologize, and accept whatever punishment he sees fit for you.
5. visit an exorcist as soon as possible, you are showing a frightening number of symptoms of Brother Dewitt's list of signs of demonic possession.

You're telling me God wanted him to be doing what he was doing?

So it should be. But even if He did not want your husband to do that, He still wants you to obey whatever your husband tells you to do (1 Corinthians 7:13-14).

If your husband has sinned with what he did (and what he did behind that computer was sinful, no matter the considerable amount of transgressions you committed afterwards),then it is a matter between Jesus, him and the Pastors. It is none of your business. God created women much more simple and less intelligent than men. You just have to obey him and subject yourself to him.

I hope you finally take some of our advice, Sister. I'm worried about your Salvation(tm).

[James Hutchins]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

So children do not belong with their mother?

Daughters do.

The mother needs to teach them how to cook, clean, remove stains and tend to their husbands needs.

A man can only take so much chicken cackling and mindless yapping in a day. So yes, daughters belong with the mother.

YIC
JH

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

Yes, there is, Brother, we've discussed this before. A couple of days back mr. Hatchet offered his services to the troubled couple. You might have noticed that he is a man.

Yes I have noticed he is a man. And I would appreciate a little more respect from you. I said "Is there really no man around who can talk to your husband on your behalf?" and BelieverInGod made clear that she thinks mr. Hatchet would not do that. I also doubt mr. Hatchet wants to go from Freehold to the Godless land of Mooses where BelieverInGod lives, but I could be mistaken about that.

You probably do not have daughters but I assure you once you have daughters you sometimes have to make sure your son in law treats your daugther properly. As we both know wives have a lot of obligations, but husbands have obligations as well. We are talking about a man here that was pleasuring himself while having "online chat sex". Someone will have to talk some sense into this man.

Ephesians 5:25-26 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word"

Ephesians 5:28-29 "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church"

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

We are talking about a man here that was pleasuring himself while having "online chat sex". Someone will have to talk some sense into this man.

Perhaps if he became a Eunuch for Christ?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

I am glad to hear the boys will be where they belong, with their dad, doing masculine things.
The last thing they need to do is be hanging about the place with you while you are cleaning and ironing. I'd hate that to provide inspiration to go all Homer.
Hopefully their dad will take them hunting with a gun.

I don't think anything is in season right now, is it? They just want to be with their dad, and I really need some time. The medication that the doctor gave me is making me less anxious, but I've got no energy to do anything. Walls have become utterly fascinating.

But he's demonically possessed! How can you leave him unattended? Don't you know that demonically possessed, sex-crazed men -- you know, like Catholic priests -- often bugger little boys, or throw themselves down the basement stairs?

I'm not convinced that he's demoniacally possessed. He's never shown any interest 'that way' in the boys. He wouldn't even change diapers. I'm more concerned about what he's going to say to them. But I need the time to think. They'll be back here on Sunday night.

Sister, this is an area I have some knowledge of. A lobotomy is not always a bad thing. You will end up living as your husband wishes without even knowing exactly how you're doing it. Many unpleasant memories will be removed and you and your husband can start with a clean slate. Now, this is the most drastic way to go about repairing your marriage. There is also the drool issue, which is so very messy, but if you feel there is no other way let me know. My equipment is sterile, my hands are shaky, but I pray before surgery so you should be fine. Well, mostly fine at least.
You'll be in my prayers.

Would I have more energy than the Leprexo is leaving me with? I had a screaming fit on the boys this morning because I'm so tired I can't think straight.

Look, people in this forum already dont like me because I say the truth. God DOES not want you to go through Hell everyday.

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They will help you with what you need.

Right now, the dogs arent important. Just get your sweethearts away from that man so they dont become like him and explain to him that what their father did is wrong.

Dont let these misogynists tell you that your husband has every right to beat you, he doesnt and you should report this DOMESTIC ABUSE to the police. Dont let it happen to another woman.

Well I don't know what the link was you put in there. I don't really want to go back, but it might be the best thing for my boys. Also, I don't really want to get him in trouble, if he ended up with a criminal charge he would lose his job and it would ruin his life. That just seems mean and vindictive. As I stated before, if I go, I will basically put my children into poverty, If I stay, nothing changes. I'm so confused.

That man deserves to have those dogs. Leave them with him.

Technically only the hunting dog is his, the Rottweilers are mine. Anyway, they're at a friends right now.

Yes, there is, Brother, we've discussed this before. A couple of days back mr. Hatchet offered his services to the troubled couple. You might have noticed that he is a man. However, Sister BIG denied this extended hand of friendship and Christ's Unending Love™, and chose a secular, unsaved, feminist advisor, who now is handing her drugs to keep her dizzy and obedient to her family-unfriendly schemes.

Brother Hatchet has made it fairly clear that he finds me "insolent" whats the use of going to a counsellor if said counsellor is just going to tell me to shut up and obey no matter what.

Apparently not, Sister. It is sad that we have to notice it now, but I don't think it is too late for you. I think you need to:

1. abandon that godless advisor woman right now, she is a tool of the devil!
2. accept mr. Hatchets offer of marital counselling.
3. confess your lack of belief in Jesus to one of the Pastors.
4. return to your husband, apologize, and accept whatever punishment he sees fit for you.
5. visit an exorcist as soon as possible, you are showing a frightening number of symptoms of Brother Dewitt's list of signs of demonic possession.

Sometimes I feel possessed. Sometimes I feel like the Calvinists are right and I'm just not preordained to the book of life.

I hope you finally take some of our advice, Sister. I'm worried about your Salvation™.

I'm just so confused right now. I've promised my brother to give it two weeks and see what happens then.

Yes I have noticed he is a man. And I would appreciate a little more respect from you. I said "Is there really no man around who can talk to your husband on your behalf?" and BelieverInGod made clear that she thinks mr. Hatchet would not do that. I also doubt mr. Hatchet wants to go from Freehold to the Godless land of Mooses where BelieverInGod lives, but I could be mistaken about that.

You probably do not have daughters but I assure you once you have daughters you sometimes have to make sure your son in law treats your daugther properly. As we both know wives have a lot of obligations, but husbands have obligations as well. We are talking about a man here that was pleasuring himself while having "online chat sex". Someone will have to talk some sense into this man.

Ephesians 5:25-26 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word"

Ephesians 5:28-29 "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church"

Thank you Brother, you are being so kind. My Brothers are pretty useless right now. The older one is just avoiding the whole situation and the younger one (the one I'm staying with) is frustrated with me for not pressing charges. My brother-in-law is Mormon, so he'd probably just tell my husband to get another wife.

I guess I could try talking to one of his brothers, but they're both confirmed bachelors, so I'm not sure what their take on the situation would be.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

Thank you Brother, you are being so kind.

You're most welcome.

I guess I could try talking to one of his brothers, but they're both confirmed bachelors, so I'm not sure what their take on the situation would be.

I hope you can find someone to talk some sense into your husband so you can unite your family again!

[Robert Jones]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

I would like to offer another possible explanation for you struggles BelieverInGod. Perhaps what you're going through is a test of faith and how you react to this test of faith will determine how God will reward you.

Lets consider James 1:2-4

"My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But letpatience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire,wanting nothing ."

God asks you to consider it an opportunity when you have the honor of receiving a "trying of your faith." As I've seen throughout this thread, you've received words of wisdom from True Disciple, Cranky Old Man, Mrs. Rogers, Sister Kitty, Heathen_Basher, and Levi Jones, among others.

It seems that that general question is if your husband is demon possessed or is there something else going on? Perhaps the more senior members of LBC can give some more insight onto this possibility.

Lets look at probably the most well known test of faith in the Bible with God testing Job. As I'm sure we all know, Satan tells God that the only reason Job is so faithful is because God blesses Job.

Job 1:9-10

"9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said , Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land."

So God does allows horrible things to happen to Job to test his faith. And does Job give in and question God? No, he doesn't.

If Job was following his foolish wife's in Job 2:9 " Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die ." He would have failed the test of God, but no, Job says in verse 10 of the same chater "10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh . What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips"

Now, if this a testing of faith, God has all the power to do whatever he wishes to do with your husband in order to see how you react to this test. As Brother True Disciple has already shown, you know what the Bible says about the place of wives in a family. The question is, are you going to be faithful to God and stay with your husband, or are you going to fail this test of God and run from it?

How can you help your husband then, if you choose to follow God and return to him?

I think Brother Levi also made a very good comment about concubines. We know what the Bible says about adultery and sexual immorality, I don't think I need to quote the verses here as I know LBC members are well versed in these scriptures. Perhaps, if you have failed as a wife and can't satisfy your husband, you should allow for him to have a concubine.

The Bible clearly says who your husband cannot have sex with. For a concubine, you can find an unbetrothed virgin and bring her into your house. This will allow your husband to get the satisfaction he needs and he won't need to keep it a secret from you. This is not adultery because the girl is not married and both you and your husband will be able to have full knowledge of each others actions. Perhaps you will be able to learn from the concubine about your own deficiencies and eventually be pleasing to your husband again.

Please take this into consideration.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

The Bible clearly says who your husband cannot have sex with. For a concubine, you can find an unbetrothed virgin and bring her into your house. This will allow your husband to get the satisfaction he needs and he won't need to keep it a secret from you. This is not adultery because the girl is not married and both you and your husband will be able to have full knowledge of each others actions. Perhaps you will be able to learn from the concubine about your own deficiencies and eventually be pleasing to your husband again.

Although you probably mean well, God clearly does not allow this: Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

The punishment for it is hell: 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

Although it is not as bad as adultery with another man's wife (which is punishable by death) it still is adultery. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

I put it in another thread, but we're talking now. We went for coffee when he brought the boys back last night.

He went to the therapist with me this morning, and will be calling me this week while he's on the road.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

I put it in another thread, but we're talking now. We went for coffee when he brought the boys back last night. He went to the therapist with me this morning, and will be calling me this week while he's on the road.

That is great news! I hope it all works out.

[Robert Jones]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

Although you probably mean well, God clearly does not allow this: Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

The punishment for it is hell: 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

Although it is not as bad as adultery with another man's wife (which is punishable by death) it still is adultery. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

In all respect Cranky Old Man, there is definitely a distinction between adultery and having a concubine. After a little searching on the forums I found a particularly helpful post by Trent Harvey Jr. True Christian™.

Point III of his post reads

"Some today may think that concubinage in the Bible was a form of an immoral sexual relationship similar to having a personal mistress. Webster's Third New International Dictionary gives this kind of a definition for "concubine" as one possible meaning.

concubine . . . b: a woman who cohabits with a man without being his wife: MISTRESS (p. 472, copyright 1986, unabridged)

The Hebrew word for concubine is pilegesh, and it is used for an illicit sexual relationship, but only once.

For she lusted for her paramours, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.(Ezekiel 23:20)

Here in Ezekiel 23:20, the Hebrew word for concubine is translated "paramours." A paramour is an illicit sexual lover indeed, and the context of this passage supports this translation. It is speaking of a woman with her male immoral partners (paramours). The "concubines," so to speak, are male here, not female, and this is the only time this word is used for males.

Every time pilegesh is used for a female, it used for a woman who is married to a man. Keturah is called Abraham's concubine in 1 Chronicles 1:32 (piylegesh), but in Genesis 25:1 she is called Abraham's wife ('ishâh). David's ten concubines are indeed called concubines, but they are also called his wives by the Lord Himself (2 Samuel 12:11; 16:21-22). In Judges 19 & 20 the Levite's concubine "played the harlot" (Judges 19:2) and left "her husband" (Judges 19:3). She is called a concubine in Judges 19:1, 2, 9, 24, 25, 29; 20:4 and 5, yet at the same time, her male partner, the Levite, is called "her husband" in Judges 19:3 and 20:4. Moreover, the concubine's father is called the "father-in-law" (Judges 19:4, 7, 9), and the Levite is called the "son-in-law" (Judges 19:5). Clearly, concubinage is displayed as a marital commitment.

So, what is the difference between a "wife" and a "concubine"? Wives are free, concubines are not. Scripture portrays concubinage as the marriage of a slave girl. Note Leviticus 19:20.

Whoever lies carnally with a woman who is betrothed to a man as a concubine, and who has not at all been redeemed nor given her freedom, for this there shall be scourging; but they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.

Betrothal depicts marriage (Deuteronomy 28:30), and here in Leviticus 19:20 we have the marriage (betrothal) of a slave girl to a man. Being a slave, she is called a concubine, and for this immoral act she is not killed as a free woman would be (Deuteronomy 22:23-24), "because she was not free."

In Judges the concubine's husband is twice called "her master" (Judges 19:26, 27). Other concubines are identified likewise. Bilhah, Jacob's concubine (Genesis 35:22), whom Rachel gave to him for a wife (Genesis 30:3-4), was a slave (Genesis 35:25 "maidservant"). Likewise, Zilpah was a slave-wife (Genesis 35:26; 30:9). Marrying a slave girl was not only practiced; it was legislated in the law of God as well.

And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money. (Exodus 21:7-11; see also Deuteronomy 21:10-14)

Notice it does not say, "He cannot take another wife." It says, "If he takes another wife." Here we have another law concerning polygyny and it is not forbidden.

Although some today may view concubinage as an evil deed, Leah, in the Scriptures, viewed it as part of that which pleased the Lord.

And God listened to Leah, and she conceived and bore Jacob a fifth son. Leah said, "God has given me my wages, because I have given my maid to my husband." So she called his name Issachar. (Genesis 30:17-18)

Leah had given Zilpah, her maidservant, to Jacob as a wife because she perceived that she had stopped bearing children (Genesis 30:9). Yet, she continued to pray for more sons. God heard her plea ("God listened to Leah"), and Leah understood this to be a reward from the Lord for giving Jacob a concubine.
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Obviously Christians can't practice polygamy as it is against the secular laws of this nation; however, there is no law against having concubines and it was practiced in the Bible.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

You seem to be re-quoting the wrong version of Leviticus 19:20 here. You should use the KJV1611 version instead. And it is also important to look at the verses right behind it: Leviticus 19:20-22: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.". This clearly states it to be a sin. It is a sin which can be forgiven, but it is a sin nonetheless.

As to slavery, that is not allowed because of 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7 which demand we have to obey secular laws.

So in conclusion, I do not think there is a way to work around Hebrews 13:4 here. Perhaps in an enlightened future, when Obama is replaced by a competent president who implements Biblical law, things will be different.

[Robert Jones]

Re: Help - my husband beat me up - what can I do?

You seem to be re-quoting the wrong version of Leviticus 19:20 here. You should use the KJV1611 version instead. And it is also important to look at the verses right behind it: Leviticus 19:20-22: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.". This clearly states it to be a sin. It is a sin which can be forgiven, but it is a sin nonetheless.

As to slavery, that is not allowed because of 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7 which demand we have to obey secular laws.

So in conclusion, I do not think there is a way to work around Hebrews 13:4 here. Perhaps in an enlightened future, when Obama is replaced by a competent president who implements Biblical law, things will be different.

My apologies Cranky Old Man, I did not look up those verses to make sure they were from the KJV1611, I did not think it was necessary as Brother Trent is a TrueChristian™. The KJV1611 passage of Leviticus does say as you quoted the sin is the girl "that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband," which is why I was careful to note that that the concubine should be an unbetrothed virgin. When searching through the KJV1611 I can't find anywhere that seems says having a concubine is a sin.

However, you're right, the laws against slavery do prohibit having slaves. I'm just not certain that concubines were always slaves.