[Old Iron Crotch]

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What in the world does love have to do with anything? Do you actually believe that Bill and Hillary love each other?


Love is the only reason I would ever marry.

We all know about Slick Willy's proclivities; last I heard, Hill had a side thing going with Ellen DeGeneret.

I don't get Bill and Hillary's relationship - I would have kicked his ass to the curb after the first affair.

BTW, who is your favorite candidate (this should be good for a couple of guffaws).

At the moment, I'm torn between Obama, Nader, and Phillies - they all have some good things going for them. I was actually sorry to see the Huckster drop out - he would have pulled the Xtreme Xian vote, which would have been good for splitting the Repuglican vote.

[Roberta]

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Gosh, Dancer, all along I thought you were married! Good luck lookin' for love; I would be content with a sugar daddy.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Gosh, Dancer, all along I thought you were married! Good luck lookin' for love; I would be content with a sugar daddy.

I AM married - and I would not have married him if I didn't love him.

If I were single, I would never marry for any reason other than love.

[Unfalsifiable]

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There is no such thing as a 0% effeminate homer as the very act of wanting to copulate with a man makes them effeminate to a degree.
How does a sodomite choose to be a sodomite if he never "accesses his preference"? If his "eros" doesn't come into play, he doesn't know if he wants to be a homer or not. At that point, he's asexual, and asexuality isn't an issue in the Bible and is, in fact, encouraged.

1 Corinthians 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Compare the last scripture I quoted to this one, and it's obvious that to "contain" means not even having a lustful thought. Without a lustful thought, a man will obviously not have chosen to be a sodomite. Don't forget, homosexuality is lifestyle choice and someone who chooses it is already consumed by lust, so your "eros" argument holds no weight.

I was quite clearly speaking of a homer who turns his sexual preference a blind eye, if it was on, he would be gay, but he just doesn't take note of it any more. It is like having a blind left eye, you might just close your eyelid and forget you even have a left eye, but if you were to ever open it you would be reminded of its blindness.

Like this a homosexual can choose to ignore, forget, but still have the condition.

[JennyD]

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Lev. 18:22 says homosexual sex is an abomination, that is not to say having the homosexual syndrome/condition is going to send you to hell. As long as you can stay 100% celibate, repent for your sinful desires, recognise you have had a problem, you can be saved.

But the westborians say God hates the world and God wants everyone dead and stuff like that, that is actually putting words in God's mouth and false preaching. Denying the New Testament, basically.

Tell me, Unfalsies, is it a sin to lust in one's heart? Is it not as bad in God's eyes to desire to commit a sin as it is to actually do it?

(Hint: God gives you the answer in the Bible. Consider it an open-book test.)

Call me a romantic fool

Cuddles with Sheep, I believe that's the only kind of fool we've NOT called you!

[Roberta]

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I was quite clearly speaking of a homer who turns his sexual preference a blind eye, if it was on, he would be gay, but he just doesn't take note of it any more. It is like having a blind left eye, you might just close your eyelid and forget you even have a left eye, but if you were to ever open it you would be reminded of its blindness.

Like this a homosexual can choose to ignore, forget, but still have the condition.

I do not buy that, Falso. It's like saying that an ex-negro can turn a blind eye to a white woman. At the risk of repeating myself:

Orenthal Simpson was once a very successful ex-negro. He was such an oreo that they even allowed him to do Hertz commercials. But look what happened to him. A little white slut smitten with terminal jungle fever stuck it in his face. Orenthal lost all control and reverted back to his violent Hamitic self. God saw to it that the bitch was suitably punished for her miscenegenation!

If you do not believe me, just ask Remy LeBreau.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I was quite clearly speaking of a homer who turns his sexual preference a blind eye, if it was on, he would be gay, but he just doesn't take note of it any more. It is like having a blind left eye, you might just close your eyelid and forget you even have a left eye, but if you were to ever open it you would be reminded of its blindness.

Like this a homosexual can choose to ignore, forget, but still have the condition.

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Timothy Treadwell

(born Timothy Dexter April 29, 1957 – October 5, 2003), was an American bear enthusiast, environmentalist, amateur naturalist, and documentary film maker. He lived among the coastal grizzly bears of Katmai National Park in Alaska, USA for approximately 13 seasons. At the end of his thirteenth season in the park in 2003, he and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and devoured by one or possibly two grizzly bears…

Now you see that right up until the moment when a 500lb bundle of furry death sank his teeth and claws into the face of the good Mr Treadwell, the bears had been, we may say, celibate as far as eating people was concerned.

I now refer you to Jer:13:23: Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

And so it is with those who lie with men like with women.

Now if you are lieberal enough you can consort with bears or ravening homers, but don’t say I never warned you.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I was quite clearly speaking of a homer who turns his sexual preference a blind eye, if it was on, he would be gay, but he just doesn't take note of it any more. It is like having a blind left eye, you might just close your eyelid and forget you even have a left eye, but if you were to ever open it you would be reminded of its blindness.

Like this a homosexual can choose to ignore, forget, but still have the condition.

Again, I say that if a sodomite chooses to be a sodomite, he does so because of lust. If he's not consumed by lust, he wouldn't choose the sodomite lifestyle.
Using your analogy, my left eye is perfectly fine. I wouldn't be blind in it until I choose to poke it out. Then, even with my eyelids closed, that eye is still blind.
You have not yet satisfactorily explained why homers would choose their deathstyle if they're not consumed by lust. What earthly reason would a man say, "I've now decided to be physically attracted to other men," unless he wants a physical relationship with one, even if just in his head?
And it would be nice if you could use some scripture to back up these wild claims of yours. I've already quoted twice to show that a sodomite doesn't have to be physically active to be an abomination. It's not too much to ask for some scripture in return.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Again, I say that if a sodomite chooses to be a sodomite, he does so because of lust. If he's not consumed by lust, he wouldn't choose the sodomite lifestyle.
Using your analogy, my left eye is perfectly fine. I wouldn't be blind in it until I choose to poke it out. Then, even with my eyelids closed, that eye is still blind.
You have not yet satisfactorily explained why homers would choose their deathstyle if they're not consumed by lust. What earthly reason would a man say, "I've now decided to be physically attracted to other men," unless he wants a physical relationship with one, even if just in his head?
And it would be nice if you could use some scripture to back up these wild claims of yours. I've already quoted twice to show that a sodomite doesn't have to be physically active to be an abomination. It's not too much to ask for some scripture in return.

I'm merely talking about the same verses you have quoted.

It is an abomination to have the sex, and it is a sin to be effeminate. This rules out lusting for gay sex and lusting for a man in the way a woman does. You can still be "gay" and not do any of these things as I have explained.

The some gays don't actively chose to be fags, much like the cancer patient doesn't choose to have the cancer. Maybe they were put/unwittingly put themselves in carcinogenic situations, or fagoinogenic situations in this case? (returning to left eye analogy) In this way they can lose their proverbial left eye this way, and this way can proverbially forget about it.

I would still call them left eyeless after they forget about the eye, you would chance to call them non-left-eyeless, i think, that is where we differ. You believe people stop being fags when they ignore the preference, I, and most of the world and God, don't.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I'm merely talking about the same verses you have quoted.

It is an abomination to have the sex, and it is a sin to be effeminate. This rules out lusting for gay sex and lusting for a man in the way a woman does. You can still be "gay" and not do any of these things as I have explained.

The some gays don't actively chose to be fags, much like the cancer patient doesn't choose to have the cancer. Maybe they were put/unwittingly put themselves in carcinogenic situations, or fagoinogenic situations in this case? (returning to left eye analogy) In this way they can lose their proverbial left eye this way, and this way can proverbially forget about it.

I would still call them left eyeless after they forget about the eye, you would chance to call them non-left-eyeless, i think, that is where we differ. You believe people stop being fags when they ignore the preference, I, and most of the world and God, don't.

Q: What makes a man a sodomite?
A: Lustful feelings toward other men.

It doesn't matter if they ignore those feelings, they still have them, thus they are sodomites doomed to Hell. No lustful feelings toward other men - not a sodomite.
It's the similar with being a Christian (dear Lord, please forgive me for this comparison). To be a Christian, you have to love and fear the Lord. If you don't, you're not a Christian, even if you carry a Bible with you at all times. I know of several pastors and deacons who have file drawers full of homosexual pornography for research purposes, but because it doesn't arouse them, they're not homosexuals themselves.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Q: What makes a man a sodomite?
A: Lustful feelings toward other men.

It doesn't matter if they ignore those feelings, they still have them, thus they are sodomites doomed to Hell. No lustful feelings toward other men - not a sodomite.
It's the similar with being a Christian (dear Lord, please forgive me for this comparison). To be a Christian, you have to love and fear the Lord. If you don't, you're not a Christian, even if you carry a Bible with you at all times. I know of several pastors and deacons who have file drawers full of homosexual pornography for research purposes, but because it doesn't arouse them, they're not homosexuals themselves.

If your sexual preference is male and you are a man, you are gay.

If you suppress and never engage with your sexual preference you are still "gay", but can be saved as you don't commit a sin in the eyes of God (Bible).

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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If your sexual preference is male and you are a man, you are gay.

If you suppress and never engage with your sexual preference you are still "gay", but can be saved as you don't commit a sin in the eyes of God (Bible).

But how do you know that your preference is sodomy unless you feel lust?
The only way to know you've chosen to be a sodomite is by lusting after other men. You can repent and be cleansed of that lust, but then you are no longer a sodomite. If you don't repent, even if that lust was in the past, you aren't saved.
See how easy that was?
Case closed.

[Unfalsifiable]

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But how do you know that your preference is sodomy unless you feel lust?
The only way to know you've chosen to be a sodomite is by lusting after other men. You can repent and be cleansed of that lust, but then you are no longer a sodomite. If you don't repent, even if that lust was in the past, you aren't saved.
See how easy that was?
Case closed.

You can be gay, ideally without getting too involved in homosexuality, then close your sexual preference and repent. God's cool with that.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You can be gay, ideally without getting too involved in homosexuality, then close your sexual preference and repent. God's cool with that.

Pal, you are about as befuddled and confused as can be. Are you claiming that a person can be a witch without practicing witchcraft? A drunk without drinking booze? Don't be ridiculous!

If you want to get Saved, you have to STOP BEING QUEER and go back to being normal. You are so busy looking for loopholes you sound like a joo lawyer.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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You can be gay, ideally without getting too involved in homosexuality, then close your sexual preference and repent. God's cool with that.

Isn't that what I just said before closing the case? Repent and be cleansed, no longer a homer, and it's all good. You just can't be a homer currently and be saved.
My husband, Mr. Whitford: Ex-homer, saved.
Elton John: Current homer, damned.
Senator Larry Craig: Former or current homer. Either saved or damned. There is no inbetween, so I sincerely pray he has repented and cast aside his sodomite tendencies.

Case closed.