[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

This thread is bullshit about how games lead people to worshiping Satan. They don't... Also if someone is going to be an atheist that's what they'll be, quit trying to shove Christianity on everyone.

Look up the word evangelist and get back to us.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

This thread is bullshit about how games lead people to worshiping Satan. They don't...

Friend, if you would take the time to read this thread, you'll see just how these games lead people to worshiping Satan.

Also if someone is going to be an atheist that's what they'll be, quit trying to shove Christianity on everyone.

No one is shoving anyone onto this forum against their will, or did you forget you waltzed in here uninvited and unwelcome?

[Bill Gaylord]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Oblivion is the undoing of evil communists!

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Oblivion is the undoing of evil communists!

I'm not sure what you're getting at there, Friend. Perhaps if you made your own thread in the Introduction Forum, we would better know your mind.

Yours in Christ
DAM

[Perkele123]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Why Should jesus be included in everythin? Should he be included in my *** blasphemy removed *** to?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Why Should jesus be included in everythin? Should he be included in my *** blasphemy removed *** to?

Watch your filthy mouth, son.

(Matthew 15:11) "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[seanbreen]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Yo all, i was fascinated by this post and decided to add my own little piece to it.

so first a little back ground on myself. For the 18 years of my life i have been a devoted christian. When i was born i was born with a hole in the heart and a growth on my brain requiring two operations in order to solve these issues, keep in mind this was 1900's the doctors told my parents i wouldn't make it, so they prayed and their friends prayed, and their church prayed, a little girl in our church had a picture of me in the operating room with a man in white cloths standing there holding my hand, at the same time my mom had the same picture at home of Jesus standing next to the operating bed standing next to me. Even further, today people are still blessing me with pictures and such, and despite playing a game you declare "Demonic" I have had numerous pictures for a multitude of people, and prayed for healing for hundreds of people of which have been healed by the grace of God, i have been home schooled all my life and it was very unlikely i'd get into college, despite this tiny chance with my three C's and two E's, i prayed, and with all the Odds against me i got into college.

So after playing the so called "Demonic" Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, I have a few things to add to this post as well as a few arguments to raise here.

"It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons."
First off, you say it is a role playing game? Does that make it demonic by Generic quality? I say no, The reason being is because Lord of the rings online is a Role playing game, yet it's based on the world of Lord of the rings which was created and written by the very strict christian called J.R.R Tolkien which parallel Christianity a lot, does the fact that there's a role playing game based on his books make it demonic?

y"you can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances."
secondly the idea of Demonic Races such as the mentioned Elves, again the Elves in the game Oblivion are very heavily based on Tolkien's idea of changing the Generic idea of Elves, does this once again make Tolkien a strict christian demonic?

"the game is chock ful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means."
As for this, i actually laughed at this as you have clearly done no research, the game is entirely possible to play without resorting to the means of the magic system of the game, and in fact it is a very minor part of the game and plays no major role at all.

"The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!"
Ah so now we bring the mythology into this discussion, first off let me remind you that this game is an entirely made up thing, there is no link for it to the real world, unlike J.K Rowling's harry potter series, and once again we go back to Tolkien who made up an entire universe where there was a complete made up mythology, same with C.S Lewis's Narnia, does this make both of those books demonic because they don't mention Jesus?

"There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game."
The very definition oh Hell is the place those who don't believe go after death, the realm of Oblivion is not a place dead souls go to in this particular game, on top of that the reason you pass through this realm is in order to close the gates which lead into Oblivion thus saving the world the game is set in, does it not say in the bible "though i walk through the valley of death i shall feel no fear"? This idea is a very reflection of that, the main hero passes through this area to save the world without fear. I.E "the valley of death"

"thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!"
Only thing i have to say to this point is to emphasis free will, a role playing game is ultimately about making choices, I.E free will.

"You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded."
I won't deny the truth behind this, but it is wrong to an extent, if you look into the lore and story behind the elder scrolls games, the Daedra are not demons, nor are they evil, they're simply the opposite of the nine, and in fact one of them is incredibly nice to the human population of the game in general, helping them without asking for anything in return.

"alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk"
This again is one fact that is true, yet drinking the beer and what not in the game has no real effects on the player on top of that once again i shall emphasis the idea of free will. Role playing games take the free will we have been given in real life and places it into the game world.

"This game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player"
Ah yes the birthsigns at the beginning of the game, now the first thing i shall highlight here is that the birthsigns in the game are completely real, they are not the constellations used in real life astrology and astrology is no further used throughout the entire game.

"There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys"."
Now for the final point you made, yes it is, and for a long time this made me uneasy, but i'll tell you that in the game you don't have to talk to the single vampire portrayed as a good guy, the rest are either hostile NPC's or vampires you kill for quests to save someone or something.

After reading the comments and replies to this thread I have no doubt i shall be branded a heretic and non christian yet by the blessings of God i am alive, and have had an excellent education bless and heal people through prayer and am blessed and healed through others prayers, yet i have played and still play a game you brand as Demonic. Hope you enjoy this read of mine.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

....tl;dr.....

What Church do you attend young lady?

[seanbreen]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

And here we have proof of your idea of assumption, you say i am a girl? I am in fact an 18 year old young man attending Jubilee church, and you have proved my point by placing me under investigation after raising a few questions as well as explaining my reasoning?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

And here we have proof of your idea of assumption, you say i am a girl? I am in fact an 18 year old young man attending Jubilee church, and you have proved my point by placing me under investigation after raising a few questions as well as explaining my reasoning?

Too be fair you do post like a female. It is the obvious assumption.

God bless

[seanbreen]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Too be fair you do post like a female. It is the obvious assumption

Why? Because i post my objections and questions in a structure that would be considered intelligent? The way i structured that reply is the way a essay in reply to such a subject would be structured, distinguishing between Genders because of how a post is written is what 99% of people call Idiocy and sexism, it's as bad as how the ancient Greeks treated woman.

[Nobar King]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Thanks for proving that people who like this trash have holes in their hearts.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

it's as bad as how the ancient Greeks treated woman.

So now we know why you are really here: to trample over our most cherished beliefs

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for man.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee .

Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Psalms 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.
25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Matthew 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife , and children, and all that he had , and payment to be made.

1st Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
1st Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing , if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed .

1st Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1st Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1st Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1st Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1st Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1st Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women ; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

God bless

[seanbreen]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Woman are there to be assistants to men yes, that does NOT mean you can treat them as lesser beings they are still created in gods image, and as for proving that people have holes in their heart if they like this stuff, first off that was when i was BORN, hence i did not know of this game then, heck it never existed back then, so then basically according to you, someone is born automatically doomed to burn in hellBecause they automatically like stuff you call Demonic? This forum isn't Christianity, this forum is based on old testament ideas of "you're not one of us so you shall burn" go ahead and ban me, i don't want to be part of a forum with those sort of idea's. as for trampling all over your beliefs, Woman are made in the image of God as well, they have souls as well, they are human as well, yes they should be submissive to their husbands, No they should not be treated like a dirty old rag you throw out when your finished with it. making an assumption about someone being a woman because they post something that you say "is like a woman" is the very definition of Sexism, and you know what? Even the ancient greeks weren't that bad.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

This forum isn't Christianity, this forum is based on old testament ideas of

You do know that Jesus is the one known as Christ?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

These are words of Jesus. What do they say about the Old testament?