[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

Fallout is the true game of morals.

I saw a video of this game when we were first coming to terms with its iniquity. They didn't have a single Bible verse anywhere in it to instruct morals and I didn't see a single Pastor.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

...fallout is a game that chalenges your morals, one player beat the entire game without killing a single creature or human...

Not true. It has to do with the way kills are credited. The player in question was directly responsible for the deaths of many, but not in ways which would trigger his killscore. Mines, booby traps, etc., or getting companions or others to do it for him. Do your research before making laughable claims like that, kk?

I saw a video of this game...I didn't see a single Pastor.

There is a priest in Fallout 4, "Father Gabe", but he's a ghoul too, and you kill him after he attacks you (or run away).

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

I myself am Christian and have recently replayed Fallout 3 and enjoyed it very much. Am I pretty sure that this forum is "dead", but I'd still like to comment.1. Yes. The game is violent. It's a war game. It is possible however to complete without killing anybody. It's not hard.
2. Yes. There is swearing and while it is a sin" you still hear it everywhere outside of games. You need to get used to it and not do it yourself.
3. Those perks are designed for players who go down the "evil" path. There are also perks that allow you to do good things like the animal friend perk.
4. Some quests are for players who want to do bad stuff. In the quest you mentioned, of you choose certain options, you can make friends with your "targets" and not have to kill anybody. The name refers to zombie movies.
5. Yes. There's an enslaved prostitute being forced to offer services. You don't even see anything and you can even free her from her slaver. Anti slavery is always good.
6. There are major consequences for killing some people. Regulators who are lawbringers with good morality will attempt to kill you since you're a killer yourself. You can't do certain things, etc.. It really hurts the game to kill everyone. Also. Some people are unkillable. Also, you really underestimate teens if you think we go home and have wonderful fantasies of killing everyone we know. That's kind of sick on your part.
7. The homemade weapons just add unique play styles. They in no way inspire terrorism and I don't think anyone is going to make weapons because of THIS game.
8. What's wrong with ghouls? They used to be human, but radiation and heat from nukes burned off their skin and made them look that way. I thought that all men were created equal.
9. It's not a mockery. It's just inspired by the bible. It gave the main characters the idea that they could restore pure water to a Terra formed world. That's a good thing.
10. Come on. They're kids who grew up in those caves without adults and formed their own society without any adults. They look after their own and don't take kindly to outsiders being the adults. But hey, if you want to be sadistic and punish the brats, you can sell them to slaves. I would never do that, but you said that they deserved punishment.
11. Computer hacking and lockpicking can be used for good or evil. You can either pick a lock to break in or pick a lock because there are prisoners of cannibals who are about to die and only you can free them. Or hack a computer to stop an additional nuclear weapon from killing hundreds.
12. What's wrong with alcohol. Isn't wine the blood of christ? It's all about how you use it.
13. You say drugs are promoted and have no consequences. You're wrong. It may increase one attribute but lower others in the process. Then you face withdrawal and it hurts the player's character. 14. Of course it's a false religion. You can't get mad at a game because theres another religion other than Christianity in it. You can't get mad at a game because one character is jewish.
15. Saint Monica church is just another religion that formed after the apocalypse. I also don't take kindly to your accusation of catholics not being christians. They may have added some false beliefs but we all believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins.


Just be the good guy in the game. Don't kill, avoid combat, help others, be nice to everyone, don't do evil, and stay christian. It's entirely possible to do. It's just a challenge, but isn't avoiding temptation always a challenge?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

But what about Jesus? And where is your introduction?

[Roland]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

[...] It's just a challenge, but isn't avoiding temptation always a challenge?

Hello Lucas,

What exactly is the temptation you are mentioning?

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

What about Jesus? I believe in him and believe that he died on the cross for my sins. I just believe that this game is getting too much of a beating. I'm glad this post is alive because I have more to say, but it's midnight in Wisconsin and need to go to bed bow. I'll catch up in the morning. Have a good night and god bless you. I'll reply to any comment you leave in the morning

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

It's just a challenge, but isn't avoiding temptation always a challenge?

Why no, no it's not. When one has been born again of the Spirit, there exists no temptation, only a desire to serve the LORD (1st John 5:18; Romans 6:6-8).

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

The temptation is the temptation in the game to kill, enslave? Torment, do drugs, etc. If you wanthink to have a Christian character, don't do that stuff. Be a good character. The game has two sides. I'll reply to anything else when I wake up. Goodnight.

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

Why no, no it's not. When one has been born again of the Spirit, there exists no temptation, only a desire to serve the LORD (1st John 5:18; Romans 6:6-8).

Fine. One more. Even Jesus was tempted and had a challenge resisting sin, but he did. We all face temptation and occasionally give in. I sin, you sin, and it's only in heaven that temptation will no longer be there.

[Roland]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

The temptation is the temptation in the game to kill, enslave? Torment, do drugs, etc. If you wanthink to have a Christian character, don't do that stuff. Be a good character. The game has two sides. I'll reply to anything else when I wake up. Goodnight.

Hello Lucas,

If you find those things tempting you might want to seek help. Or you might just see it as the game it´s intended to be, your pick. Though if latter is the case you wouldn´t need to create your own rationelle behind it right?

Fine. One more. Even Jesus was tempted and had a challenge resisting sin, but he did. We all face temptation and occasionally give in. I sin, you sin, and it's only in heaven that temptation will no longer be there.

Did you just say that Mary, a True Christian(TM), is a sinner?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

Did you just say that Mary, a True Christian™, is a sinner?

I think he did. Don't you just hate it when people descend to common abuse like that?

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

I'm not abusing anyone. Mary was pure human and all humans have sinned. You have sinned, I have sinned, everyone who has ever lived and will live has sinned aside from our savior Jesus Christ. A non sinner would be considered perfect but as stated in the bible, no human has reached the pinacle of making, being perfection aside from Jesus Christ. Every Christian has sinned and is tempted. If you claim that you have not sinned and that you have never faced temptation, then you would be lying to yourself and be claiming to be just as good as Jesus.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

Lucas, I think you are likely a false Christian and you have still not introduced yourself properly.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

...all humans have sinned. You have sinned, I have sinned, everyone who has ever lived and will live has sinned...

That's past tense. Mary has sinned (of course), but she also knows that the Bible says that once you truly accept Jesus as your saviour, you become a new person (that "born again" thing you might have heard of), all the old sin is washed from you by the blood of Christ, and you are no longer capable of sinning (if you do happen to sin, it's because you were never saved in the first place).

It's true, read more here: True Christians are Perfect!

...If you claim that you have not sinned and that you have never faced temptation, then you would be lying to yourself and be claiming to be just as good as Jesus.

Please keep your strawman bullshit and other fallacies to a minimum, thanks.

[LucasP0326]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" creators

Okay. You're right. I haven't introduced myself. Hello. My name is Lucas. I am currently living in Wisconsin. I go to church every Sunday and enjoy the sermons and bible readings. I pray to God prior to every meal and before I go to bed. I pray to God very often, but like any other human, I sin. I repent, but I still willingly and unwillingly sin. You know why? Because I'm a human. I am an imperfect human being and so are you. We will never reach perfection on this Earth and will always be contaminated by sin until the die we die, are judged, and aquitted of our sin. From there we will ascend into heaven where sin will no longer weigh us down and we will have been forgiven and free of temptation on sin, but on Earth, we are sinners who deserve eternal damnation. Chances are you will sin tomorrow whether in your thoughts, words, and actions. On Earth, you will never be free of the Devil's temptation because we are only human. Ary sinned Joseph sinned, I sinned, you sinned and we all still do. Mary was classified as a sinner until the day she died and most likely ascended to heaven where she became free of sin. When we due is when sin will abandon us and we will abandon it. I am a true Christian. I believe you are as well. We only have different points of view.