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  • AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

    Today, the American Family Association asks why it is impossible to be both gay and Christian. Vote in their (push-)poll, and read the associated article now!

    Here is the AFA poll text:

    Why is it impossible to have a ‘meaningful, personal commitment’ to Christ and still practice the sin of homosexuality? (related article)
    • God instructs those who love Him to be holy, for He is holy (Lev. 20:7)
    • Homosexual offenders will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9)
    • Homosexuality, like all sin, separates people from God (Rom. 1: 26-27)
    • All of the above

    You can vote AT THIS LINK!

    We’ve added our own, more open-minded poll at the bottom of the page, asking whether or not you think it’s possible to be gay and Christian, and why.

    The article sparking this poll was brought about by Peter LaBarbera’s Christian response to a Barna Group survey.
    A conservative activist is questioning some of the conclusions Christian researcher George Barna reached in his “Spiritual Profile of Homosexual Adults.”

    The new Barna survey of homosexual adults finds that 27 percent qualify as born-again Christians and 43 percent have an “orthodox, biblical perception of God.” According to Barna, “People who portray gay adults as godless, hedonistic, Christian bashers are not working with the facts. A substantial majority of gays cite their faith as a central facet of their life, consider themselves to be Christian, and claim to have some type of meaningful personal commitment to Jesus Christ active in their life today.”
    Apparently, they have a meaningful personal commitment, as long as they don’t have to give up sin. Sadly, this is the state of nearly all so-called Christians, the vast majority of whom are hypocrites . . . they continue to engage in sinful thoughts and behaviors, thinking that because they sin less than others, they’re somehow less guilty of spitting in Christ’s face.

    They will all face the Judgment.

    They will all burn.
    Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, believes Barna speaks “too cavalierly” about “homosexual Christians.”

    “My test is [to] substitute another sexual sin and see if it makes sense. Would we be talking about a survey of porn-using Christians or incestuous Christians? That sounds stark, but that’s, I believe, the appropriate biblical analogy,” he contends.

    Barna, LaBarbera says, is naïve if he thinks the homosexual activist movement is not made up of “hedonistic Christian bashers.”

    “I think there are Christians who struggle with the sin of homosexuality — but proud homosexual Christians? That’s an oxymormon to me in the same way as I would say proud adulterous Christians,” he adds. “And so, I think we have to be very careful because I see the tactic of the Emergent Church and the Christian left is to start talking more and more about ‘gay Christians,’ and what they end up doing is demonizing the so-called ‘Religious Right’ and saying that the Religious Right is all wrong in the way it has talked about homosexuality.”

    A book by Barna Group president Dave Kinnaman titled UnChristian contends that “hostility toward gays has become virtually synonymous with the Christian faith;” however, LaBarbera says he does not know any born-again Christians who hate homosexuals. Some may advocate following biblical law which includes stoning as the prescribed punishment, but this is based in Christian love, not hate.

    In his comments on the survey’s findings, Barna notes that most homosexuals who have some history within the Christian church have rejected orthodox teachings and principles — but in many cases, no more than have heterosexual Christians.
    And there it is. Most so-called “Christians” cherry-pick the parts they like of the Bible, and pitch the rest in the trash!
    “Although there are clearly some substantial differences in the religious beliefs and practices of the straight and gay populations, there may be less of a spiritual gap between straights and gays than many Americans would assume,” he states. Of the more than 9,200 adults interviewed for the survey, 280 self-identified as being homosexual.
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  • #2
    Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

    Thank you for posting this enlightening information. It has always struck me that the "Christian" Left engages in a heavy double standard when it comes to gay Christians. In ALL versions of the Bible (yes even the heretical mistranslated texts), it says that homosexuality is a sin, an abomination, keeps us seperated from God and is punishable by death. Yet this salient point is completely ignored or forgotten by these Leftist "Christians".

    This is where the double standard comes in: While these people want us to accept gay Christians and maintain they are just as Christian as us, when it comes to other sins, suddenly it's hypocritical. Gay Christians are okay; Adulterous Christians are hypocrites. Yet, the Bible says homosexuality and adultery are both sins...so why the double standard?

    So, for some reason we got these left-wing Methodists who allow gays and lesbians to become priests...but would they allow someone who is an alcoholic, an adulterer, or a thief? If not, why not?

    This is simply an example of political correctness and politics taking precedence over the Word of God(c). This is Salad Bar Christianity at its worst.

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    • #3
      Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

      I have to disagree on this one

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      • #4
        Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

        S&M, instead of directing me to a link...which is nothing but a link to more links... why don't you try injecting some original thought for a rebuttal? The Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin and is punishable by death. What's next...are you going to tell us the Bible says NOT to follow Jesus?

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        • #5
          Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

          Are you sure the Bible says what you think it says?

          Overview: The Abomination Is The False Teachings

          The abomination is the false translations of the Hebrew/Greek which had nothing at all to do with homosexuality. This lie is one of the biggest sins of Christianity - to hurt so many whose only "sin" is to be just as God created them to be. I was born very heterosexual just as others were born gay, lesbian or bisexual. It is not a choice. It's no more a "lifestyle" than my heterosexual "lifestyle".

          Traditional Church teaching falsely misuses the Bible to judge homosexuality. True Biblical theology begins not with Church tradition and dogma but with the biblical texts themselves. Biblical theology seeks to understand how the biblical authors expressed themselves in the Koine Greek of the time (not expanded by later modern Greek meanings), in terms of their culture. Only with this understanding is it legitimate to define biblical sexual ethics of the NT and find implications for today.

          There are only 4 scriptures that are taken to say anything about homosexuality; the Leviticus laws, I Cor 6:9, Romans 1:26-27, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah - and none address loving, consenting homosexual acts as we know them today, but rather the terrible unnatural, heterosexual acts of pederasty.

          The unclean acts of Leviticus makes no statement about the morality of homosexual acts as such. In today's society similar unclean acts might include picking ones nose, burping or passing gas. In Hebrew times wearing polyester, or eating shellfish would have been just as much an abomination as men laying with men. It was also only wrong since it assumed the majority heterosexual view. It said nothing about gay men for whom it would be just as unnatural to be with women. This clearly is about heterosexual pederasty, so common in the time, not about anything being wrong for gays and lesbians to be with the same sex as they were meant to be. The law is no longer in effect and its purpose was to show that man could never follow it. The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, clearly have nothing to do with homosexuality.

          I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods. I can also show the errors of effeminate or homosexual reference in this verse.

          Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The Greco-Roman practice of pederasty was widespread and openly accepted. This was a heterosexual practice. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist.

          I can post more info on each of the passages. The condemnation of homosexual love is one of the biggest lies and injustices of Christianity making a living hell for many wonderful people whose only sin is simply to be who God created them to be. The false teachings are the abomination, not homosexuality. I have no personal agenda since I happened to be born very heterosexual.

          How does the Bible address Homosexuality when the word didn't even exist until 1869? The word first appeared in Germany to describe the theory that from birth some people are predisposed toward persons of the same sex.

          Since the biblical languages (ancient Hebrew and Greek) had no words for sexuality, heterosexual or homosexual, it is anachronistic and misleading when homosexual is used to translate some biblical expression.

          It is wrong to proclaim the biblical view of homosexuality since there is none. This violates the integrity of the individual texts and the biblical witness as a whole. Each reference or allusion to what is today homosexuality must be read in the light of the particular literary cultural, and historic contexts of any particular passage.

          A survey of the few passages that have been falsely translated as having to do with homosexuality show their passage are addressing either the terrible acts of pederasty or, cultic prostitution and have absolutely nothing to say about homosexuality as we know it today.

          To claim the scriptures say a word about "homosexuality" is a total lie and abomination, not today's homosexuals who are simply created by God with this natural sexual orientation that is no where addressed in scripture.

          If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

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          • #6
            Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

            Gosh, we sure appreciate your sharing that with us. I think most of us would be lost if you didn't post your heathen homo views.
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            • #7
              Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

              I would like to add that it is not only impossible to be gay and Christian, it is impossible to be gay and American. America is built on the family. Dad, mom and kids. Not dad, dad and kids. Or worse yet, mom, mom and kids.
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              • #8
                Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                Originally posted by MidwestCatLady View Post
                Gosh, we sure appreciate your sharing that with us. I think most of us would be lost if you didn't post your heathen homo views.
                You're welcome, my beautiful Sister in Christ!

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                • #9
                  Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                  Unlike you, we don't twist Scripture around to fit our needs.

                  Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

                  Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
                  Nothing about pederasty here. Mankind. It does not say anything about children. Nor is this an endorsement of "gay people loving each other". It is crystal clear that ALL Homosexual acts - ALL of them -- are sins in the eyes of God.

                  1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
                  You say that this based a mistranslation of a Greek word, but as you can see there is more than one word at work here. Fornication, idolatry, adultery, being effeminate, and abusers of themselves with mankind. Again here lies the double standard: A Christian who is gay is "okay", but a Christian who is an adulterer is a hypocrite, according to your liberal views.

                  Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
                  Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
                  Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
                  Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
                  Now you say this is in reference to heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts. But that is non-sensical. If you engage in homosexual acts out of your own will, you are by definition, a homosexual. That's like saying "I pray 5 times to Allah every day and I've been to Mecca, but I'm not a Muslim!".

                  Also your claim that this is a reference to pederasty is shot down for the simple fact that Paul mentions lesbians above. There was no such thing as female pederasty. Paul is clearly talking about homosexuality across the board, not specific examples.

                  Finally, your copy-and-paste is misleading because there is much more than 4 simple references to homosexuality in the Bible. Here are some more...

                  Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
                  Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
                  (Punishment for homosexuality.)

                  Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
                  (You know what a sodomite is, right?)

                  1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

                  Isaiah 3:8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
                  Isaiah 3:9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

                  Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
                  Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
                  Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
                  (Not specifically about homosexuality, but a clear endorsement of heterosexuality)

                  1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
                  1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

                  2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
                  2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
                  2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

                  Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
                  Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

                  Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
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                  • #10
                    Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



                    Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.



                    1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,



                    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
                    Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
                    Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
                    Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



                    Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
                    Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.



                    Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

                    In Deuteronomy 23:17 we find the main concern of the Hebrews toward homosexual acts: "None of the Israelite women shall become a temple-prostitute, nor shall any of the Israelite men become a temple-prostitute. You shall never bring the gains of a harlot or the earnings of a male prostitute as a votive offering to the temple of the Lord your God; for both are abominable to the Lord your God."

                    1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.



                    Isaiah 3:8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
                    Isaiah 3:9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

                    Ezekiel 16: 46-48 "'Your older sister is Samaria. She lived to the north of you with her daughters. Your younger sister is Sodom, who lived to the south of you with her daughters. Haven't you lived just like they did? Haven't you engaged in outrageous obscenities just like they did? In fact, it didn't take you long to catch up and pass them! As sure as I am the living God!—Decree of God, the Master—your sister Sodom and her daughters never even came close to what you and your daughters have done.
                    49-50 "'The sin of your sister Sodom was this: She lived with her daughters in the lap of luxury—proud, gluttonous, and lazy. They ignored the oppressed and the poor. They put on airs and lived obscene lives. And you know what happened: I did away with them.


                    48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
                    49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
                    50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.


                    Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
                    Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
                    Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



                    1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
                    1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;




                    2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
                    2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
                    2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

                    It's not until the very late books of 2 Peter (2:4) and Jude (6), that sex is considered a sin of Sodom.

                    Jude 7 also provides another view of the sin of Sodom: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh..." In another discussion of fornication it is clear it is idolatry and has nothing to do with singles sex.

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                    • #11
                      Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                      I don't care how many gay misinterpretations you quote, you still can't get around the fact that God has made it clear not to engage in homosexuality. All this "textual analysis" is just clever lawyering on part of heretics who want to change Scripture to fit their own needs.

                      Instead of trying to warp the Bible to fit your personal agenda of what you want it to say, why don't you start reading it for what it says and do what God commands of you?

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                      • #12
                        Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                        I'm glad Christians are finally taking it to homosexuals-- they've had a free ride for too long. Hopefully next Christians will take Jews and Atheists down a peg.
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                        • #13
                          Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                          Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                          I don't care how many gay misinterpretations you quote, you still can't get around the fact that God has made it clear not to engage in homosexuality. All this "textual analysis" is just clever lawyering on part of heretics who want to change Scripture to fit their own needs.

                          Instead of trying to warp the Bible to fit your personal agenda of what you want it to say, why don't you start reading it for what it says and do what God commands of you?
                          What makes you think it's not the other way around - that the Scriptures have been manipulated to say homosexuality is evil?

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                          • #14
                            Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                            Originally posted by Serenity-Millennium View Post
                            What makes you think it's not the other way around - that the Scriptures have been manipulated to say homosexuality is evil?
                            Simple logic.

                            Read a King James Bible, published in 1611. It says homosexuality is an abomination before God.

                            Your scripture-twisting which you referred me to was published in the last couple years on the internet.

                            Obviously the Scriptures have been saying homosexuality is wrong from the beginning. You are trying to interject some sort of gross misinterpretation into it. You are a late-comer to the game. You are the one who has to show burden of proof, not us.

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                            • #15
                              Re: AFA Poll: Why is it impossible to be gay and Christian?

                              Originally posted by Serenity-Millennium View Post
                              What makes you think it's not the other way around - that the Scriptures have been manipulated to say homosexuality is evil?
                              And why would God Almighty, who knows all and sees all and is perfect in every way (as I'm sure you would agree), allow His Holy Word to be "manipulated" or disseminated with even one small error?

                              "one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" - Matthew 5:18
                              Who Will Jesus Damn?

                              Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                              Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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