[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Untrue. The only difference between a straight person and a gay person is their sexual preference.

Untrue. The only difference between a queer and a Normal person is that the queer is going to spend eternity gulping sulfur down in hell.

The Normal person only might.

[Bobby-Joe]

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and what worse than a gay? A gay atheist (as in ALL atheists, even the women atheists) At lest a normal gay knows he is sinning in his hearts of hearts. Gay atheists (as in ALL atheists, even the women atheists) tell themselves they are gay because they are monkeys and monkeys are gay.

[IceColdMilk]

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hmmm Pastor Ezekiel lives in Iowa...wouldn't it be funny if..haha I can just imagine

[Alexandria Puckett]

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hmmm Pastor Ezekiel lives in Iowa...wouldn't it be funny if..haha I can just imagine

How rude.

[Brendon Pisshead]

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Oh my god! Hitler did support gay marriage! Horrible Stuff.
Thank you for taking a stand.
Somebody should take this to the Authorities!

Hitler killed a whole lot of gay people.. and you suppose that is supporting them? Also, what the hell are the authorities gonna do? Arrest a dead man?

Oh you poor, gullible child! It's a known fact that the gay will try and befriend a shy person before convincing him to let them explore their back door. It's called "grooming" and you, my dear, are being groomed.

I'm not a child; I'm seventeen. And I've never heard of the term "grooming" used in that sense before. I'm not really shy; I have plenty of friends and I'm really talkative. Not really submissive. I have gay friends, sure, but they've never tried to convince me to let them.. you know.

Flee, as fast as you can from these sodomites! They do not have your best interest at heart!

Yes, they do. They're just people. They care about me as a person, and I care about them as people. I'm really not trying to be rude, but I really don't see where you're coming from with all this.

Untrue. The only difference between a queer and a Normal person is that the queer is going to spend eternity gulping sulfur down in hell.

The Normal person only might.

Alright. You got me there. Although, it does depend on perspective. I'm not going to challenge you about religion; but some people honestly don't believe in heaven and hell, and some people do. So it's up to the person to decide whether or not that detail should be accepted. But to everyone and anyone, something that could be proven, is that the main difference is sexual preference. It doesn't have anything to do with personality.

and what worse than a gay? A gay atheist (as in ALL atheists, even the women atheists) At lest a normal gay knows he is sinning in his hearts of hearts. Gay atheists (as in ALL atheists, even the women atheists) tell themselves they are gay because they are monkeys and monkeys are gay.

I'm not going to challenge your beliefs, but I'd just like to point out that believing or not believing in God does not determine whether or not you like the same sex or the opposite sex. :-]]

[Pim Pendergast]

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Alright. You got me there. Although, it does depend on perspective. I'm not going to challenge you about religion; but some people honestly don't believe in heaven and hell, and some people do. So it's up to the person to decide whether or not that detail should be accepted.

Shouldn't the person who is in doubt over the reality of heaven and hell do some research for themselves (i.e. read the Bible) and make up their mind? If hell is real, they will go there whether they believe it exists or not.

But to everyone and anyone, something that could be proven, is that the main difference is sexual preference. It doesn't have anything to do with personality.

Have you never read Romans 1? It tells us that homosexuality is God's punishment on unrighteous people who deny God exists.

Rom 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Because people deny God, He gives them over to lust so that they will dishonor their bodies.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Homosexuality is one of those vile lusts.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And here is the personality of the homosexual, and indeed any person who denies the existence of God.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

They sound like they'd be a nice bunch of people once you get to know them. But God tells us not to get to know unbelievers too well.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

I'm not going to challenge your beliefs, but I'd just like to point out that believing or not believing in God does not determine whether or not you like the same sex or the opposite sex.

I think I've demonstrated that not believing in God can lead to homosexuality. The converse is also true: believing in God delivers a person from "same-sex attraction."

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Here the Apostle Paul is saying that some of the members of the Corinthian church were fags in their former life. They were effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind. Such people cannot inherit the kingdom of God. But those who are washed, sanctified and justified in the name of Jesus may be delivered from their same-sex attractions and enter the kingdom of heaven. The Corinthian church is proof that people can stop being gay if they put their faith in Christ.

[MitzaLizalor]

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In several posts so far

You keep going on about "straight" and rather than use more words I'll try saying it with pictures.

HERE IS SOMETHING STRAIGHT

Now apart from the fact that it's quite a nice photograph, what do you notice in that picture?
.Here are some suggestions:
..the track is undamaged
...the track is in working order
....the railway line is fit for the purpose intended
.....if you drove a high speed train along here it'd be safe for the passengers
......the track is well designed
.......whoever made it knew what they were doing
........from the glinting sun against that hard metal we can see that the track is in regular use
.........therefore the guage of the track is the same as the wheels of the train etc.



The opposite of "straight" is "warped" and we've arrived at our next picture.

HERE IS SOMETHING WARPED

Now apart from the fact that it's a great photograph, what do you notice in that picture?
.Here are some suggestions:
..the track is damaged
...the track is not in working order
....the railway line is unfit for the purpose intended
.....if you drove a high speed train along here everyone would die
......something has gone wrong with the track
.......whoever made it knew what they were doing, but the design has been corrupted
........from the red STOP signs we can see that the track is not in use and in fact is a no go area (for trains)
.........therefore the damage is being repaired so that once more it may function as intended etc.

That is what you are saying about homosexualists when you call normal people "straight" and I will need to spell it out I suppose: you are saying that the sodomites are WARPED.

Why would you defend something warped, something damaged, not in working order, unfit for the purpose intended (which is to praise God), leading all participants to death (followed by everlasting torture)? That is the lifestyle. These are the people: something has gone wrong with them, God's Plan for Salvation has been corrupted, and from the ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION in His Inerrant Word we can see that they have abandoned the natural use and are in fact in a no go area. Therefore it is necessary to repair the damage so that once more these wretches may function as intended.

Not my ideas.

God's Command.

[Didymus Much]

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...HERE IS SOMETHING STRAIGHT

...

HERE IS SOMETHING WARPED

...

Um,



Looks like it might be fun.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Well the rails are all the same distance apart. But it is a good analogy and if you've ever been on a roller coaster you'll appreciate how difficult it is to know what's coming up next. And our walk with Jesus is like that too. Well, not your walk obviously because you're walking with Beelzebub. But for the Christian it is always a surprise to discover the new situations He leads us into and the ministry He enables through us. Fun is not quite the word. Joy is more appropriate, but you don't know what that is of course.



We are not alone in the world, there are other people too, and our lives intersect every day. Christians have a guide, a guard if you like. And His name is Jesus. Atheists have nothing.

[Brendon Pisshead]

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You seem to have misunderstood me. When I say straight, as in the sexual orientation, I don't mean a line or an angle or anything of the sort. All I mean is heterosexual. It's a very common term used for that.

Your comparison is right, in a way. Except, you see, people nowadays don't only live life to procreate. We live to have fun, to have memorable experiences, to do things. Yes, gay people aren't able to use their bodies to procreate, but here, now, in 2013, some straight couples don't even have kids - needless to say, it doesn't really matter anymore. The world is overpopulated, anyway.

But you've mentioned that the opposite of straight it warped. No, my friend, the opposite of straight is curved or bended. The opposite of warped, however, is perfect, and no human being is perfect.

And although you've used a lovely metaphor, and I do applaud you for creativity, we are not train tracks. We do not have one purpose, we have many. Thus, your comparison is flawed.

[Holly Graham]

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You seem to have misunderstood me. When I say straight, as in the sexual orientation, I don't mean a line or an angle or anything of the sort. All I mean is heterosexual. It's a very common term used for that.

Your comparison is right, in a way. Except, you see, people nowadays don't only live life to procreate. We live to have fun, to have memorable experiences, to do things. Yes, gay people aren't able to use their bodies to procreate, but here, now, in 2013, some straight couples don't even have kids - needless to say, it doesn't really matter anymore. The world is overpopulated, anyway.

But you've mentioned that the opposite of straight it warped. No, my friend, the opposite of straight is curved or bended. The opposite of warped, however, is perfect, and no human being is perfect.

And although you've used a lovely metaphor, and I do applaud you for creativity, we are not train tracks. We do not have one purpose, we have many. Thus, your comparison is flawed.

Son, why are you talking to us as if we don't live in the "real world?" You are speaking to your elders (most of us) like we are your 80 year old grandparents!!

We are WELL AWARE of the unholy lifechoices other people make in the world. You don't need to EXPLAIN them to us. We just know that what is written in the KJV 1611 Bible is the true and only way. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Please watch your condescending tone with your superiors.

[Brendon Pisshead]

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Son, why are you talking to us as if we don't live in the "real world?" You are speaking to your elders (most of us) like we are your 80 year old grandparents!!

It's.. well, I tend to state the obvious a lot. Honest. I know you're not old, and I promise it's not intentional. I talk like that to everyone. I'm well aware that you know
l about the current events and the "real world". :-]]

We are WELL AWARE of the unholy lifechoices other people make in the world. You don't need to EXPLAIN them to us. We just know that what is written in the KJV 1611 Bible is the true and only way.

I'm not trying to explain them, I'm trying to justify them (not that they need justifying, but whatever). I know you know what was written in the bible, but does that mean that yiu can't have a mind of your own?

Please watch your condescending tone with your superiors.

Alright, ma'am. I never meant to sound condescending, but you know, I am, in fact, a teenager. I think it's pretty much unavoidable. :'-]]

[MitzaLizalor]

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we are not train tracks. We do not have one purpose, we have many. Thus, your comparison is flawed.

I will confess I only used railway lines because it was taking too long to find pictures of warped (or bent or curved) timber, but the principle is the same. We cannot build secure houses with warped timber and neither can we be temples of the Holy Spirit if we are warped (or bent).

I CORINTHIANS 6
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
KJV

Perverted is another variant of not straight, especially in archery. God has explained what to do and what not to do. Following His Commandments is what Christians (only) do.

Not following what God has commanded is what perverts do. They are corrupt and abominable. Using your body as "entertainment" is not included in God's DO list. Why, you might as well visit Africa and "go native" but if you woke up one morning and there was a loaded revolver by your camp bed you'd know what was expected. Disappear, or shoot yourself. That was the message then and although most degenerates did disappear a surprising number shot themselves too once they recognised that they had not just disgraced themselves and their families but the English nation too. There were French in Africa as well of course, but they don't have a word for disgrace.

Bending or corrupting God's Just Law is much worse that that. And the consequences are worse too. The reason why just and moral humans are described as straight is because we have not been warped or corrupted. We do not bend God's Word to suit ourselves (indeed, I don't know why those broken reeds even bother to pretend: they're not fooling anyone). Go back 100 years, was "straight" used other than to indicate

• free from admixture or extraneous matter
• according with or based on Scripturally accepted and God-established usage
• admitting free or continuous passage (the railway analogy)
• free from all that is dishonest or secretive
• without hesitation or delay
• without deviation of course
• qualities that together form the ideal of moral propriety or moral approval?

It was not. And the reason the pervert "community" embraced "straight" to signify their antithesis is because

• they are themselves polluted, contaminated
• they deny Scripture and forsake God-established usage
• they deprave and corrupt everyone they meet (except Christians) by their mere presence
• they are free from all that is honest and straightforward, working mischief in secret
• they retard progress in society seeking to delay Salvation for everyone else until it's too late
• "deviant" is another word used to describe these amoral wretches
• ..who are every day and in every way the opposite of moral propriety deserving of (and certain to attain) HELL FOREVER

God's assessment. Not mine.

(We already know what your assessment is, there's no point repeating it.)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You seem to have misunderstood me. When I say straight, as in the sexual orientation, I don't mean a line or an angle or anything of the sort. All I mean is heterosexual. It's a very common term used for that.

Your comparison is right, in a way. Except, you see, people nowadays don't only live life to procreate. We live to have fun, to have memorable experiences, to do things. Yes, gay people aren't able to use their bodies to procreate, but here, now, in 2013, some straight couples don't even have kids - needless to say, it doesn't really matter anymore. The world is overpopulated, anyway.

But you've mentioned that the opposite of straight it warped. No, my friend, the opposite of straight is curved or bended. The opposite of warped, however, is perfect, and no human being is perfect.

And although you've used a lovely metaphor, and I do applaud you for creativity, we are not train tracks. We do not have one purpose, we have many. Thus, your comparison is flawed.

What on earth are you yammering about, boy? This is a Christian forum. Go do your emo whine somewhere else.

[Brendon Pisshead]

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I will confess I only used railway lines because it was taking too long to find pictures of warped (or bent or curved) timber, but the principle is the same. We cannot build secure houses with warped timber and neither can we be temples of the Holy Spirit if we are warped (or bent).

Well then I guess it's a good thing humans aren't timber, and aren't bent, not matter their sexual preference

Perverted is another variant of not straight, especially in archery. God has explained what to do and what not to do. Following His Commandments is what Christians (only) do.

Synonyms of not straight: agee, anfractuous, angular, asymmetric, awry, bowed, catawampus, circuitous, cockeyed, contorted, crippled, curved, curving, deformed, deviating, devious, disfigured, distorted, errant, gnarled, hooked, incurving, indirect, irregular, kinky, knurly, lopsided, meandering, misshapen, not straight , oblique, out of shape, rambling, roundabout, screwy, serpentine, sinuous, skewed, slanted, snaky, spiral, tilted, topsy-turvy, tortile, tortuous, twisted, twisting, uneven, warped, winding, zigzag

Perverted? Mm.. nope.

Not following what God has commanded is what perverts do. They are corrupt and abominable. Using your body as "entertainment" is not included in God's DO list. Why, you might as well visit Africa and "go native" but if you woke up one morning and there was a loaded revolver by your camp bed you'd know what was expected. Disappear, or shoot yourself. That was the message then and although most degenerates did disappear a surprising number shot themselves too once they recognised that they had not just disgraced themselves and their families but the English nation too. There were French in Africa as well of course, but they don't have a word for disgrace.

Some people don't use their bodies as "entertainment", but rather as a promise. Yes, some do use their bodies as entertainment, but if you think it's only gay people, then you must be blind. And nowadays, gay people don't either shoot themselves or disappear. They're fine with the way they are, and most straight people are, too.

Bending or corrupting God's Just Law is much worse that that. And the consequences are worse too. The reason why just and moral humans are described as straight is because we have not been warped or corrupted. We do not bend God's Word to suit ourselves (indeed, I don't know why those broken reeds even bother to pretend: they're not fooling anyone). Go back 100 years, was "straight" used other than to indicate...

Excuse me; as many have told me, you're wrong. Discussion about why heterosexual people are referred to as straight:

"I think it refers to 'the straight and narrow.' It was also used by stoners and druggies to refer to non-users. It's a term that the outsiders (gays and stoners) applied to the 'insiders' to differentiate themselves from them. It was picked up by the straight community to refer to their own sexuality after gay people called them that."

Many people agree with this statement. It's slang; it doesn't have to do with angles or lines or anything.

God's assessment. Not mine.

God never wrote, nor said, what you have written in those bullet points.

(We already know what your assessment is, there's no point repeating it.)

I don't know if you actually know what my assessment is. But something tells me you don't really care.

What on earth are you yammering about, boy? This is a Christian forum. Go do your emo whine somewhere else.

I suppose my "whining" is a bit emotional, but I think all of your guys' is too. That's what makes it interesting, yeah? And I'm only responding to you guys. I'm sorry if it's annoying.