[Basilissa]

Re: God Hates Asexuals

All verses about the roles of men and women aren't necessarily in the same context as each other.

The context, dear, is that women, according to God, are inferior to men. You can try to pretty that up all day long but it's still is what it is. From the get-go, women were created as a side kick (Genesis 2:18). Since the two sexes were created unequal, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that the rules of the game are different for both sexes.

You're stretching the meanings of those verses quite a bit to claim that women are saved through procreation. Such a ludicrous idea isn't supported by any scripture,

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15, and I have already explained to you why this verse applies to present/future and not past from Paul's perspective.

and is never clearly stated anywhere.

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15.

I think if that was such a big issue, it would be explicitly defined (no verse says anything along the lines of "women must procreate for salvation or they'll be damned to Hell").

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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All verses about the roles of men and women aren't necessarily in the same context as each other. You're stretching the meanings of those verses quite a bit to claim that women are saved through procreation. Such a ludicrous idea isn't supported by any scripture, and is never clearly stated anywhere. I think if that was such a big issue, it would be explicitly defined (no verse says anything along the lines of "women must procreate for salvation or they'll be damned to Hell").

You say 'aren't'. Would you be prepared to take a stance as to whether or not the verse have different context or are you just 'asking questions'?

You're being an atheist dosen't necessarily mean you don't understand the Bible(KJV1611). In fact many so called Christians are woefully under educated on matters of Jesus' will.

Only yesterday I had happenstance to rebuke a young woman close to my home who was prompting some so called 'mental health non profit' agency for supporting those who choose to be attracted to the same sex

She had the nerve to say that Jesus was happy with hoersexualistically oriented life style choices when clearly the Bible(KJV1611) states clearly that clearly it (homersexualism) is an abomination and clearly worthy of death (Lev 20:13).

Seems clear to me but she would not back down from her hateful stance that persecuted my sincerely held beliefs in direct contravention of the constitution.

But it was like talking to a brick wall and from the girls husky build and massive fore arms I could only deduce she had chosen Lesbeopathy as her lifestyle so in fear for my safety I went home and called the police.

Needless to say I had the last laugh as apparently according to my friend at the locale constabulary she was arrested later that day on suspicion of carrying Drugs

Jesus wins again.

YIC

[Princess L]

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The context, dear, is that women, according to God, are inferior to men. You can try to pretty that up all day long but it's still is what it is. From the get-go, women were created as a side kick (Genesis 2:18). Since the two sexes were created unequal, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that the rules of the game are different for both sexes.

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15, and I have already explained to you why this verse applies to present/future and not past from Paul's perspective.

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15.

Except for 1 Timothy 2:15.

If 1 Timothy 2:15 is what you consider a clear explanation that "if women don't procreate they'll go to Hell", then I'd hate to see what your idea of a vague explanation is.


Let me also correct you on the difference between men and women. Men are created in general as physically and mentally superior to women, but that does not make the requirements of salvation any different. The only path to salvation is through faith in the sacrifice of Christ as atonement for our sins, not through certain actions. To add any extrascriptural requirements for salvation is blatant heresy. Salvation is through faith, not works (read: not procreation), so that none may boast in their works.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Men are created in general as physically and mentally superior to women.

Wait, what?

I understand that the Landover community takes their views from the Bible only, shunning scientific evidence as not Biblical, but what's your excuse for your misogyny?

[Basilissa]

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If 1 Timothy 2:15 is what you consider a clear explanation that "if women don't procreate they'll go to Hell", then I'd hate to see what your idea of a vague explanation is.

Well, dear, it is written in plain English.

Let me also correct you on the difference between men and women. Men are created in general as physically and mentally superior to women,

Amen, we can agree on something!

To add any extrascriptural requirements for salvation is blatant heresy.

I agree 100%.

Salvation is through faith, not works (read: not procreation), so that none may boast in their works.

Wrong, dear. I highly recommend that you read up on Salvation. According to the Holy Bible, it is through works:

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

[Anne Sayne]

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I'm pretty sure there are more women than men on the earth as of now, so every asexual man is another unsaved woman. Read 1 Timothy 2:15 if you are unfamiliar with it. Asexual needs to STOP!!!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Jesus wins again.

YIC

What an encouraging story to inspire the kind of fortitude that Jesus wants from us! Jesus DOES win! Again and again and again! Why, I can't wait to be in Heaven looking down at those homers and lesbos suffering in Hell, with barely enough energy to lift their eyes up, only to see Jesus laughing at them (Psalm 2:4)! And well they will deserve it, too! He temporarily DIED for the likes of these ungrateful people who would throw away the gift of Salvation just for a few moments of disgusting poop play with each other!
Oh but Jesus wins again! Praise Jesus!

[Princess L]

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Well, dear, it is written in plain English.

Amen, we can agree on something!

I agree 100%.

Wrong, dear. I highly recommend that you read up on Salvation. According to the Holy Bible, it is through works:

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If you actually knew your Bible you would have realized that I was paraphrasing part of Romans 8 .

Works are without a doubt an integral part of Christian life, and we will be judged and rewarded by them, but they are not necessary for salvation. "Will reward for" and "Requires" are two very different concepts.

Also, the works we do are products of what we truly believe in our hearts. If someone is truly saved, good works in accordance with God's law will follow from that belief. If someone has true faith, their life with inevitably reflect it.

If salvation is faith + works, then how do you explain the man hanged next to Jesus? He was described as a thief, implying that he was a sinful man, but in those last moments of his life he professed his faith and Christ told him "This day you will be with Me in paradise."

[Mary Etheldreda]

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If salvation is faith + works, then how do you explain the man hanged next to Jesus? He was described as a thief, implying that he was a sinful man, but in those last moments of his life he professed his faith and Christ told him "This day you will be with Me in paradise."

Ever heard of Jesus performing miracles?

You think maybe He was too tired to perform a miracle for the crowd just because He was hung up on a cross for a bit?

Where's your faith?

[Princess L]

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Ever heard of Jesus performing miracles?

You think maybe He was too tired to perform a miracle for the crowd just because He was hung up on a cross for a bit?

Where's your faith?

But I thought you just said salvation was through works?

Oh wait, that's right, the "True Christians" of Landover are allowed to make up groundless extrascriptural explanations when they get driven into a corner.

Jesus healed diseases and even forgave sins as part of his earthly ministry, but none of the four gospels EVER mention him removing requirements of salvation. To me such a proposition smells strongly of heresy. Unmerited or gifted "salvation" is a catholic, not protestant doctrine.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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But I thought you just said salvation was through works?

Well you were wrong then, weren't you?

Oh wait, that's right, the "True Christians" of Landover are allowed to make up groundless extrascriptural explanations when they get driven into a corner.

I simply asked you a question. You seem awfully defensive for a Christian being asked about miracles.

Jesus healed diseases and even forgave sins as part of his earthly ministry, but none of the four gospels EVER mention him removing requirements of salvation. To me such a proposition smells strongly of heresy. Unmerited or gifted "salvation" is a catholic, not protestant doctrine.

Do you even know how miracles work?

[Princess L]

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Well you were wrong then, weren't you?

I simply asked you a question. You seem awfully defensive for a Christian being asked about miracles.

Do you even know how miracles work?

I'm not being asked about a miracle: the Bible never refers to it as one. If it was though a miracle, than why did Christ perform a miracle on only one of the two criminals? Both were sinful men condemned to die: there was nothing redeeming about either of them. The only valid explanation is that the thief was saved through his profession of faith.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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If it was though a miracle, than why did Christ perform a miracle on only one of the two criminals?

Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one child when an entire children's hospital cancer ward is full of dying children? Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one person in a plane when the entire contraption comes down out of the sky crushing and burning everyone else? Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one ex-Muslim, sharing His Glory so they may know His Love, while leaving the entire rest of Middle East a cesspool of spiritual bedlam, forever ignorant? Why does Jesus Save one person and laugh at everyone else's comeuppance (Psalm 2:4)?

The real question you should be asking yourself is, Who are you to demand God be answerable to your questions? Look, either you believe the Holy Bible means what It says, and says what It mean, or you believe you have some sooper secret special detective level soul-searching insight that no one else has, because of all the people on the face of the earth, past, present and future, the Creator of the Universe just so happens to be in tune to your personal moral code. Because it makes sense to you, He must believe it too. How unbelievably convenient for you. And of course, the millions and billions of souls before you who felt the same were wrong. Only they never knew it.

[Didymus Much]

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I'm not being asked about a miracle: the Bible never refers to it as one...

"The Bible doesn't call it a miracle therefore not a miracle"? Great logic there.

...The only valid explanation is that the thief was saved through his profession of faith.

Except that's not enough, according to the Bible.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

The thief's previous actions plainly don't live up to that second part, yet he was going to go to Heaven anyway (said Jesus), obviously something happened to allow that to happen. And what do Christians call things that happen with no observable cause? A miracle, even if the Bible doesn't specifically call it that.

...why did Christ perform a miracle on only one of the two criminals?...

Since when does God owe you an explanation for anything He does? The Bible says that you wouldn't understand it, even if He deigned to offer you one.

Isaiah 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

[Princess L]

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Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one child when an entire children's hospital cancer ward is full of dying children? Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one person in a plane when the entire contraption comes down out of the sky crushing and burning everyone else? Why does Jesus perform a miracle on only one ex-Muslim, sharing His Glory so they may know His Love, while leaving the entire rest of Middle East a cesspool of spiritual bedlam, forever ignorant? Why does Jesus Save one person and laugh at everyone else's comeuppance (Psalm 2:4)?

I was referring to Christ's earthly ministry. He never withheld healing or miracles to those around Him, so only saving only one of the criminals hanging right next to Him doesn't fit with His character as presented in the gospels.

The real question you should be asking yourself is, Who are you to demand God be answerable to your questions? Look, either you believe the Holy Bible means what It says, and says what It mean, or you believe you have some super secret special detective level soul-searching insight that no one else has, because of all the people on the face of the earth, past, present and future, the Creator of the Universe just so happens to be in tune to your personal moral code. Because it makes sense to you, He must believe it too. How unbelievably convenient for you. And of course, the millions and billions of souls before you who felt the same were wrong. Only they never knew it.

He isn't in tune to my personal beliefs, I try my best to make them in tune with His. I am wise enough to not take your worthless baiting though. Can we keep this to logical discussions, or is that too much for you?