[Basilissa]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

The CATHOLIC (not Catlick) Church IS God's word. The Bible agrees with it word for word.

Wrong. The Catholic Church is based on Tradition, and follows the Bible only when it finds it convenient (which is practically never).

Pull out a Bible and let's talk.

Fine.

Open yours on this verse, for example -

Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Have you seen an inside of a Catholic church lately? Have you seen any graven images in it? Have you knelt before any such image?

If you have answered "yes" to the second and third question, here you go - you've already broken one of the Ten Commandments! And the Catholic Church wants you to keep breaking them, because - newsflash - the Catholic Church does not follow the Bible!

Maybe I worded that too strongly. The Catholic Church is Christ's established Church. satisfied?

Bible proof to support your claim?



(crickets)



Exactly.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Maybe I worded that too strongly. The Catholic Church is Christ's established Church. satisfied?

According to whom? According to the Catholic church.

As Dorothy Parker said, "And I am Marie of Roumania."

[Dj_Spectre]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

Wrong. The Catholic Church is based on Tradition, and follows the Bible only when it finds it convenient (which is practically never).



Fine.

Open yours on this verse, for example -

Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Have you seen an inside of a Catholic church lately? Have you seen any graven images in it? Have you knelt before any such image?

If you have answered "yes" to the second and third question, here you go - you've already broken one of the Ten Commandments! And the Catholic Church wants you to keep breaking them, because - newsflash - the Catholic Church does not follow the Bible!






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Ahem. What about the Bronze Serpent? The Isrealites were told to kneel before it.

[Fred Hall]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

Ahem. What about the Bronze Serpent? The Isrealites were told to kneel before it.

Scripture! Show the scripture. Please show where the people are told to "bow" and/or "kneel" to a bronze serpent.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

Ahem. What about the Bronze Serpent? The Isrealites were told to kneel before it.

God sent that serpent to Moses for a specific purpose, which it served. But the Jews were (and are) a stiff necked people and they fell to worshipping the snake. God was angered and made Hezekiah, the new king, destroy the snake. Thus, it was not God's plan that idols were being worshipped and once it began, He put a stop to it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

If you want to debate Catholicism and Bible Christianity, I am more than happy to do so. Cheers!

It's not our purpose to debate but most of your points have been answered; do you see the contradiction in what you wrote now? There is nothing Biblical in papism. Catholicism ALWAYS does exactly THE OPPOSITE of what God commands in The Bible. Details of God destroying the Nehushtan follow:

II Kings:1-5a KJV
Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah. And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. He trusted in the LORD God of Israel;

IV Kings:1-5a Douay-Rheims
In the third year of Osee the son of Ela king of Israel, reigned Ezechias the son of Achaz king of Juda. He was five and twenty years old when he began to reign: and he reigned nine and twenty years in Jerusalem: the name of his mother was Abi the daughter of Zacharias. And he did that which was good before the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. He destroyed the high places, and broke the statues in pieces, and cut down the groves, and broke the brazen serpent, which Moses had made: for till that time the children of Israel burnt incense to it: and he called its name Nohestan. He trusted in the Lord the God of Israel:

What do you think should happen to the idols polluting Romish catholicism? This is just one example of how the odious cult of Rome denies God.Here's another:

Matthew 23:9 KJV
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Matthew 23:9 Douay-Rheims
And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.

Popish usage is so obviously THE OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught that the cultists originating this perverse text have appended some gobbledygook:

“Call none your father upon earth: Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 15) and for our masters and teachers.”

Notice the internal reference? I looked it up. Once again it actually says precisely THE OPPOSITE.

I Corinthians 4:15 KJV
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

I Corinthians 4:15 Douay-Rheims
For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.

Is there a single example of pope worshippers following God's Word? I've yet to encounter one. Even their own cross-referencing is bogus as I demonstrated simply by looking it up. No wonder they listen to dubstep.

[Basilissa]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

Ahem. What about the Bronze Serpent? The Isrealites were told to kneel before it.

Scripture! Show the scripture. Please show where the people are told to "bow" and/or "kneel" to a bronze serpent.

He is a Catholic, my friend. That means he has an allergy to Bible.

Here is the actual story of brass (not bronze) serpent:

Numbers 21:4-9
4 And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom: and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way.
5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

See? People were told to hold the serpent, not bow or kneel before it.

However, over time, people begin to worship it - which is why it was ordered to destroy it:

2 Kings 18:1-4
1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.
2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.
3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

I hope that was helpful, dear.

[Dj_Spectre]

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God sent that serpent to Moses for a specific purpose, which it served. But the Jews were (and are) a stiff necked people and they fell to worshipping the snake. God was angered and made Hezekiah, the new king, destroy the snake. Thus, it was not God's plan that idols were being worshipped and once it began, He put a stop to it.

Wait, wat? The snake wasn't destroyed almost 800 years after it was originally made. God clearly only had a problem when people started worshiping the snake itself instead of the person it represented. (which is what Catholics do)

[Dj_Spectre]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

I just realized, doesn't the Bible say we are not to make graven idols? Wouldn't the serpent count as a graven idol? The Catholic Church can explain this, can you people?

[Dj_Spectre]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

It's not our purpose to debate but most of your points have been answered; do you see the contradiction in what you wrote now? There is nothing Biblical in papism. Catholicism ALWAYS does exactly THE OPPOSITE of what God commands in The Bible. Details of God destroying the Nehushtan follow:

II Kings:1-5a KJV
Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah. And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. He trusted in the LORD God of Israel;

IV Kings:1-5a Douay-Rheims
In the third year of Osee the son of Ela king of Israel, reigned Ezechias the son of Achaz king of Juda. He was five and twenty years old when he began to reign: and he reigned nine and twenty years in Jerusalem: the name of his mother was Abi the daughter of Zacharias. And he did that which was good before the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. He destroyed the high places, and broke the statues in pieces, and cut down the groves, and broke the brazen serpent, which Moses had made: for till that time the children of Israel burnt incense to it: and he called its name Nohestan. He trusted in the Lord the God of Israel:

What do you think should happen to the idols polluting Romish catholicism? This is just one example of how the odious cult of Rome denies God.Here's another:

Matthew 23:9 KJV
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Matthew 23:9 Douay-Rheims
And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.

Popish usage is so obviously THE OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught that the cultists originating this perverse text have appended some gobbledygook:

“Call none your father upon earth: Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 15) and for our masters and teachers.”

Notice the internal reference? I looked it up. Once again it actually says precisely THE OPPOSITE.

I Corinthians 4:15 KJV
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

I Corinthians 4:15 Douay-Rheims
For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.

Is there a single example of pope worshippers following God's Word? I've yet to encounter one. Even their own cross-referencing is bogus as I demonstrated simply by looking it up. No wonder they listen to dubstep.

The only difference I notice in these passages is dialect. And what's wrong with dubstep? I love dubstep. Heck, I MAKE dubstep!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

I just realized, doesn't the Bible say we are not to make graven idols? Wouldn't the serpent count as a graven idol? The Catholic Church can explain this, can you people?

Still not capable of providing scripture, are you? Friend, you cannot just keep on making stuff up out of thin air and expect people to take it as gospel.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (direct quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4)
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (direct quotation of Deuteronomy 6:5)
Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. (direct quotation of Leviticus 19:18)

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2nd Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[Youth Minister Harry]

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...I MAKE dubstep!

Me too. I made a dubstep this morning at 10 AM right on schedule. Praise God!

[FNAFanatic]

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Very nice to meet you. Glad to have you here. Can't wait to have the kind people here teach us on how to be better people....

Signed: A fellow Catholic

[Basilissa]

Re: Dj_Spectre's Introduction!

Wait, wat? The snake wasn't destroyed almost 800 years after it was originally made. God clearly only had a problem when people started worshiping the snake itself instead of the person it represented. (which is what Catholics do)

I just realized, doesn't the Bible say we are not to make graven idols? Wouldn't the serpent count as a graven idol? The Catholic Church can explain this, can you people?

Did you even try to read my reply, sweetie?

The snake was not made to be worshiped. People were not told to kneel before it, just to hold it. The problems began when people did begin to worship it (=acting like a bunch of Catholics kneeling before wooden statues of a long dead woman), and that is why it was destroyed.

I hope that color-coding made it easier to read for you, sweetie.

[Dj_Spectre]

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Did you even try to read my reply, sweetie?

The snake was not made to be worshiped. People were not told to kneel before it, just to hold it. The problems began when people did begin to worship it (=acting like a bunch of Catholics kneeling before wooden statues of a long dead woman), and that is why it was destroyed.

I hope that color-coding made it easier to read for you, sweetie.

Alright, but this doesn't change the fact that Catholics worship and/or HONOR (keyword there) the people the statues represent, not the statues themselves. Again, get you facts straight.